Am I Nuts?....Swain

I love Waffles·12/8/2014, 9:22:28 AM·2 votes·1,218 views

Alright, so I was looking at swains numbers...And I decided to crunch them.

Q - 255 (+ 90% AP) W- 240 (+ 70% AP) E- 235 (+ 80% AP) + 20% Damage amp R- 90 (+ 20% AP) (lets assume you get 4 ravens off in this test, so 360(+80%AP)

Runes - red - 7.8 m.pen yellow - 72 hp Blues - 28 AP @ level 18 Quints - 1x 5.0AP 2x 4.26 Armor (8.5 armor)

Masteries 21/9/0 (Notably 3% dmg amp from Havoc, 12AP from offence line, 6% M.Pen)

(not even going to count, double edge sword, spell weaving, or executioner, which could potentially add in another 9.5% damage!!)

Build - item 3020 item 3027 item 3001 item 3151 item 3135 item 3157

@ Level 18 : 1842 hp + 650 item 3027 + 300 item 3151 = 2792 hp 1174 mana + 650 item 3027 = 1824 mana 91 armor + 50 item 3157 + 2.5s Invuln = 141 armor 30 Magic Resist + 50 item 3001 = 80 magic resist AP = 80 item 3027 + 120 item 3157 + 50 item 3151 + 70 item 3001 +70 item 3135 + 33 from Runes, + 12 from Masteries * 0.05AP from Masteries = 457 Ability Power Spell Pen = 35% item 3135 + 6% Masteries + 8 Flat from Runes + 15 item 3020 + 15 item 3151 + -20MR aura item 3001

So we can plug this equation at 30, 50, and 100 MR and find Swains full burst! or X- 20 * 0.59 - 38

@ 30MR 30-20 * 0.59 - 38 = -32 (league only lets you go to 0, but abyssal brings you -20 reduction, so -20 for our purposes)

So Swains full burst is .8AP = 367 .9AP = 411 .7AP = 320 .2AP x 4 (.8AP) = 367

E = (235+.8AP) + Q =(255+.9AP) + W(240+.7AP) + R(360 + .8AP) = 2,555.

Okay, not so great for a full burst.

BUT.WE.FORGOT.SOME.THINGS.

Swains E, gives him +20% Damage Amplification, and we get 3% Damage amplification from our Havoc Mastery.

So its 2,555 + 23% Damage

BUT.WE.FORGOT.MORE.THINGS.

So looking at our target with 30MR, They already take 20% increased damage from us, do to our magic penetration.

So our formula is 2,555 * 1.43 (+20% pen + 20%E + 3% Havoc)

AND WE FORGOT MORE THINGS!!!!

We also have item 3151! Which is 12% Current HP + 43%, makes it worth 17% Current Health over 3 seconds.

In closing, @ 30MR = 2,555 * 1.43 + 17% Current Health (3,654 damage + 17% Current HP over 3 Seconds.) @ 50MR = 2,555 * 1.43 + 17% Current Health (3,654 damage + 17% Current HP over 3 Seconds.) (We still reduce ALL of their MR) @100MR = 2,555 * .92 (+.23) = 2938 + 15% Current HP over 3 Seconds)

Hell even for 200MR = 2325 damage + 15% Current HP over 3 seconds

Is Swain that strong, or is my math way off? He does this damage, all while running around with 2792 hp ( shoot, + 36hp + 3%) 2912HP, 149 armor, and 80MR, Oh, and he heals with his ult...

6 Comments

KFDizzle12/8/2014, 9:30:57 AM3 votes

Yes this is Swain in a nutshell.

It's worse with Amumu.

Minrog12/8/2014, 11:00:48 AM2 votes

Vizicsaci Swain vs Cabochard Maokai (it's a really good game, Nevermove OP):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-CGw4EJKMM

It's hard to get 6 item builds, that's why speccing them out isn't very useful. Mundo with 6 Warmog's has like 10,000 hit points! Nasus with 2000 Q stacks can 1 shot anyone while tanking fountain lazer!

Swain's early laning phase is awful. Post-6 he's good for certain things, but Morellonomicon is the new standard first item for AP guys so that's not so good. He isn't a real tank with an engage, he has tower sieging troubles, his mobility isn't good for stampeding, he can't poke. Other casters can do more damage with full item builds. He is powerful if you need a sustain based AP threat, but other casters offer more versatility.

Blazing Tenshi12/8/2014, 11:21:49 AM2 votes

Ya his ratios are really good but he is a close range dot mage so he can't afford to be squishy.

I like something like. item 3020 item 3027 item 3065 item 3135 item 3157 item 3110 Switch up void and spirit visage into deacap or abysal as needed.

THEcone12/8/2014, 9:40:04 AM1 votes

Lmao a mid champion with a full build DOES DAMAGE? go look at ww, akali or kat if ur complaining about numbers swain isnt A popular B or op, he is easily countered or if ganked or out leveled is hard to catch up especially early game, his true strength is mid late to late game. counters? Veig, kass, kat, akali pretty much alot of popular and op mids. not kass or veig but kat and akali=easy win lane for them

I love Waffles12/8/2014, 9:53:33 AM1 votes

Lol, who on earth plays swain mid (outside of specific counters), He has really short AA range, and even short spell range compared to certain mids (like xerath, syndra, lux), Swain is used primarily as a toplane AP counter, since he's ranged, has sustain, and is fairly durable. My point is that he is so durable, and does so much damage. But your argument that he isn't popular, so therefore isn't strong, isn't right at all. Also, Kat is definitely not a counter to Swain.

I know this is going to sound like a snipe, but youre silver 4, I'm fairly confident people in your elo can barely press the Q/W/E/R buttons required to play champions; less so play champions to their fullest ability, and push the smallest edges.

Hullabaloo90712/8/2014, 2:39:54 PM1 votes

Take him top vs an immobile champion, and build more tanky. A thornmail or a sunfire cloak synergies really well with his kit because of the magic dps and the magic pen you build. Spirit Visage is also a must on him to survive. Hourglass is also a big deal because your ult still goes while it is active, letting you regen back up.