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Good Jungle champs to carry from silver 4

Moonblight··1 votes·4,018 views

I am a jungle main, and when I reached level 30 decided to try my luck in ranked. I had some pretty good games, and was placed in silver 3. Unfortunately, I was quickly demoted to silver 4 due to a 0/17 mid and my inability to get kills. I find it pretty frustrating not being to get any kills because the enemy is too fed, and was looking for some good junglers that could help me get out of silver and into gold or higher. I main Diana Diana jug and mid, as well as Shyvana Shyvana jug and starting to get into Azir Azir and Fiora Fiora. Thank you for the help.

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FrozenXylaphone2 votes

Warwick is a great jungle for that elo because even if your ally is behind and losing lane, it is really hard for them to not get a kill when you come and ult the enemy and the enemy literally can't do anything while they wail on them. He also has good damage potential so that if your ally is so bad that they can't get the kill while the enemy is in your ult, you still can finish them off yourself. He also has the ability to shutdown fed enemies which are what many silver games are made and broken from. For instance, if you mid feeds the enemy Kat, most junglers will have a hard time and your team as well. But with Warwick, you just intelligently ult her and she does basically nothing in a teamfight but melt and die. Then the item that counters WW is QSS but this is silver so they usually won't be building that.

Moonblight1 votes

Thank you, someone who answered the question and didn't just criticize. :)

S H A Y C 01 votes

Skarner is retarded strong right now both as a tank and an ad bruiser. Gragas can be easy street, also very forgiving because you mostly just build tank, belly flop bitches and let other people do the damage. For mid, Annie is pretty freelo and with the devastating stun you dont even have to be ahead to make a difference in a match..one flash tibbers from behind can win a match.

Code1 votes

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Skarner is retarded strong right now both as a tank and an ad bruiser. Gragas can be easy street, also very forgiving because you mostly just build tank, belly flop bitches and let other people do the damage. For mid, Annie is pretty freelo and with the devastating stun you dont even have to be ahead to make a difference in a match..one flash tibbers from behind can win a match.

don't pick a jungler who can't do (a lot of) damage in low silver, especially if you aren't good enough to stay relevant. based on his stats, he'd end up a squishy gragas with no damage, versus being a potentially bruiser ish udyr. when he gets a grasp on the jungle, he'll want dmg oriented champs till high gold at least.

oh and skarner is literally ban or pick, getting him is really rare and people dodge on it rn anyways. also getting hotfixed soon.

S H A Y C 01 votes

Fine...just do what everybody else does, and spam master yi till you hit plat. you dont even have to learn how to play the game that way..just ult everything and watch it all crumble.

Code1 votes

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Fine...just do what everybody else does, and spam master yi till you hit plat. you dont even have to learn how to play the game that way..just ult everything and watch it all crumble.

that's not what i'm recommending. he should be playing damage champs to have a chance at carrying WHEN he's good enough. right now he's actually losing his team games by failing to buy wards, failing to upgrade trinket, failing to have a positive impact on the game, failing to farm well, failing to itemize well. there's very little he's doing well, and if he keeps playing ranked he'll demote because he's ranked way too high (he's easily bronze 3-4 right now). BUT if he plays damage champs, my reasoning is he'll be forced to learn risk/reward, and when/if he improves, he will be able to carry easier.

i could be wrong, and he'll probably do better spamming tanks right now and win more games. but for the long term i believe this is the best approach.

Code1 votes

fiora's getting nerfed because she's broken right now, diana is fine but she falls off late and spikes mid, whereas shyv conversely is weak early and strong late. you can honestly climb with anything, i climbed from bronze to gold last season with basically just nocturne, but for low elo it's probably best to climb with an early/mid game jungle who can scale decently. you want someone who doesn't rely on teammates at all, so rengar, vi, nidalee, elise, xin, udyr are all easy to carry with, though nid and rengar and maybe elise might be too difficult for low elo mechanics.

all that said, i climbed with tank oriented junglers and play to the meta. if you're good, you can climb with anything. but looking at your stats, you aren't very good and you're probably costing your team games with awful cs, kill participation, and high deaths. as a jungler, anything below a 3.0 kda shows a likely negative influence on your games (with some exceptions), and your w/r reflects that. you can see on my prof that i average over a 4.0, with some 5.5+ and a minimal kda around 3.0. i don't play for kills, but i pick my fights, ward hard, follow the enemy jung, and as a result win a majority of my games.

to be frank, i don't think you're ready to jungle, and should probably develop basic mechanics first. i did the same thing last season (my first), and really wish i had mained mid/top before moving to jungle.

EDIT: tl;dr- you're not good yet, it's not about what champs you play, it's how you play and what you're doing/not doing.

Moonblight1 votes

I mean in normal Que im a pretty damn good jug, i consistently get about 15-20 kills and 5-9 deaths. However in ranked my usual diana Strat fails, and i just get focused down too fast to do anything.

Code1 votes

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I mean in normal Que im a pretty damn good jug, i consistently get about 15-20 kills and 5-9 deaths. However in ranked my usual diana Strat fails, and i just get focused down too fast to do anything.

you're not good. get that out of your head because it's only going to make you worse/slow your improvement. normals don't mean anything, and 5+ deaths is horrid for a jungle. look at my stats, you'll have issues finding one champ with more than 6, and rarely hitting 4-5 deaths per game. your build is static and for the most part flat out bad, you don't ward at all, like you've literally never bought a stealth ward it looks like. you are an awful player, accept this if you want to improve and read everything i said and implement it into your games. watch pro games or even go thru a semi high elo player like myself's profile and see how we itemize based on situations, how much we ward, typical kdas, farm per minute, etc.

this is you: http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=qster5678

S H A Y C 02 votes

and 5+ deaths is horrid for a jungle.

and rarely hitting 4-5 deaths per game.

just to set the record straight..not trying to start a fight here.

4.6 / 4.7 / 11.7

4.7 is pretty much 5, since you cant actualy die .7 times in a match it has to be considered 1, therefor 5

so in your own terms 5 deaths is pretty horrid for a "everything you play because thats your average over all"

other than that all your advice is pretty sound.

Code1 votes

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just to set the record straight..not trying to start a fight here.

4.6 / 4.7 / 11.7

4.7 is pretty much 5, since you cant actualy die .7 times in a match it has to be considered 1, therefor 5

so in your own terms 5 deaths is pretty horrid for a "everything you play because thats your average over all"

other than that all your advice is pretty sound.

you're looking at total, which includes arams/normals/3's. in my last 20 in solo que it's 4.7/3.2/10.1. you can check by clicking "ranked solo" and not "total".

S H A Y C 01 votes

you have me there, i forgot to click the tab. either way..nobody asked how great you were, and in fact he never asked for anybodies opinion on how he plays. he asked about champions, so please stop prancing around with your feathers fanned out like a peacock.

Code1 votes

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you have me there, i forgot to click the tab. either way..nobody asked how great you were, and in fact he never asked for anybodies opinion on how he plays. he asked about champions, so please stop prancing around with your feathers fanned out like a peacock.

don't know why you're taking offense to it. his mentality right now is "i need champs that can carry", when it should be "how can i improve". i used myself as an example because i've climbed primarily with jungle. if that's his goal, he should look to a high elo jungler and follow what works. doesn't matter who that person is, i just used myself as an example because i happen to main the role.

edit: this is what I was talking about: "Unfortunately, I was quickly demoted to silver 4 due to a 0/17 mid and my inability to get kills. I find it pretty frustrating not being to get any kills because the enemy is too fed". obviously not every game is winnable but he doesn't take any responsibility for his demotion, and i guarantee if he spams 50 ranked games he goes to low bronze (assuming no improvement).

S H A Y C 01 votes

his mentality right now is "i need champs that can carry", when it should be "how can i improve"

i agree, but again he never asked.

Secondly, you couldnt have been more impolite in how you went about conveying your message. if you want someone to really listen to what your saying, you cant start off with an insult and think that you will have instant respect "cuz diamond plox"

Hes a person, treat him with respect, dont be an ass

Code1 votes

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i agree, but again he never asked.

Secondly, you couldnt have been more impolite in how you went about conveying your message. if you want someone to really listen to what your saying, you cant start off with an insult and think that you will have instant respect "cuz diamond plox"

Hes a person, treat him with respect, dont be an ass

i'm blunt, i'm one of the few people on this forum who can give him actual advice, and i have the rank to prove it. literally only mentioning my rank as a source of proof that what i say works, stop being so butthurt about that and focus on the actual goal of his question. there's more to it than just "which champs are the best for jungle this patch"

S H A Y C 01 votes

ok, here ill try your approach and you tell me how it works.

Code,

You're an abrasive prick. What you need to do is approach people with a less caustic prideful attitude and people will be more receptive to what you have to say. Look at me, I am a Buddhist monk. I know all about kindness, so everything i say on the subject has value.

My money says you stopped listening after "abrasive prick" and dismissed the rest, proving my point. Even though what came after is solid information that will help you in the future and 100% true, you wont change a thing and my words will fall on deaf ears.

Code1 votes

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ok, here ill try your approach and you tell me how it works.

Code,

You're an abrasive prick. What you need to do is approach people with a less caustic prideful attitude and people will be more receptive to what you have to say. Look at me, I am a Buddhist monk. I know all about kindness, so everything i say on the subject has value.

My money says you stopped listening after "abrasive prick" and dismissed the rest, proving my point. Even though what came after is solid information that will help you in the future and 100% true, you wont change a thing and my words will fall on deaf ears.

except i'm not asking for advice, i'm giving it. this is how i give it, because cutting around the edges doesn't help and doesn't matter to me because my advice is free. he can listen or not, it doesn't make a difference to me. and if he doesn't maybe some other low elo player will.

forgive me for being up front when i was complaining about being in elo hell at bronze 5 last season, in practically the same situation he is now. i got placed b1, fell to b5, and he's going to do the same thing. that makes me want to say something, especially since his attitude isn't even correct for improving. i'm going to stop replying to you now because frankly, idgaf about semantics.

S H A Y C 01 votes

we arent talking about semantics...were talking about respect, and your apparent lack thereof. Why bother giving advice if you dont care if they take it? You do care, otherwise you would never have posted at all.

because cutting around the edges doesn't help

you can be direct, without degrading someone.

Code1 votes

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we arent talking about semantics...were talking about respect, and your apparent lack thereof. Why bother giving advice if you dont care if they take it? You do care, otherwise you would never have posted at all.

you can be direct, without degrading someone.

he's bad at league. if you're bad and are satisfied, you won't improve. i'm only saying that so he's aware of the fact, as its painfully obvious from his match history.

if i don't say anything about that, he won't get anywhere. i didn't insult him as a person or "degrade" him, i criticized his gameplay.

S H A Y C 01 votes

i'm going to stop replying to you now

But no one can hear anything you say after the insult, so its irrelevant what you said afterward...just like you still didnt hear anything about how better to present your advice in my example, where you clearly stopped listening after the insult.

Code1 votes

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But no one can hear anything you say after the insult, so its irrelevant what you said afterward...just like you still didnt hear anything about how better to present your advice in my example, where you clearly stopped listening after the insult.

i read your entire response. you're making assumptions about me. and now you're assuming you're right. people can disagree, now please stop derailing the thread.

Moonblight1 votes

Thank you for that, honestly the way he responded pissed me off. As a zen Buddhist, I agree with the fact that he could have come on nicer, but oh well. Karma, eh? Thank you for your help

Moonblight1 votes

I appreciate the criticism, but I dont want to know that i am bad, I want to know how to get better. My current way of things is working fine in solo, so its hard for me to change and the only way i will be able to get better is playing against better players, Ie ranked. Honestly i realize i need improvement, but i also want to know what i can do to at least get some wins while improving. Plus, I think CS does not apply as much to Junglers. I know diana sucks in teamfights, and i want to know who would be best for me to take. One of my other major problems is that where i live, my pings fluctuate, and i sometimes go over 1000, Which is why my kdr is worse than it should be because of my inability to react in time.

Code1 votes

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I appreciate the criticism, but I dont want to know that i am bad, I want to know how to get better. My current way of things is working fine in solo, so its hard for me to change and the only way i will be able to get better is playing against better players, Ie ranked. Honestly i realize i need improvement, but i also want to know what i can do to at least get some wins while improving. Plus, I think CS does not apply as much to Junglers. I know diana sucks in teamfights, and i want to know who would be best for me to take. One of my other major problems is that where i live, my pings fluctuate, and i sometimes go over 1000, Which is why my kdr is worse than it should be because of my inability to react in time.

lol i told you how to get better.

you way of things if NOT fine. you win an absurdly low amount of games, i have no clue how you got placed in low silver but you're not close to that level. (btw, silver elo ranked isn't much different than normals, difference being people try more often. same terrible players at that elo, normals or ranked).

i'm a diamond jungle main. i'm used to playing on 120 ping, which has changed due to the server move.

i don't feel like repeating myself so i'll list out the things you're awful at, and if you start doing, will make you a better player.

  1. warding. this isn't just a cliche, you don't do it and that makes you a bad player, period.
  2. deaths. you die too much, especially since you seem to be in a low amount of kills. you're usually involved in under 40% of your teams kills, meaning you aren't helping out during losses and are getting carried in wins.
  3. cs. 12 cs per game on udyr? he's a farm focused jungler. cover pushed lanes, help laners push in after ganks. you should be averaging at least 100 at 20 minutes, and while op.gg doesn't count jungle creeps, you should have around 40-50 minions per game (i'm a gank focused aggro jungler and i still get around 40 lane minions a game).

you have the typical noob mentality of "which champs will help me carry". i didn't climb until i realized i was awful. if you "dont want to know that you are bad", then you'll never improve because admitting you are bad is the first step.

moohannamtat 21 votes

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lol i told you how to get better.

you way of things if NOT fine. you win an absurdly low amount of games, i have no clue how you got placed in low silver but you're not close to that level. (btw, silver elo ranked isn't much different than normals, difference being people try more often. same terrible players at that elo, normals or ranked).

i'm a diamond jungle main. i'm used to playing on 120 ping, which has changed due to the server move.

i don't feel like repeating myself so i'll list out the things you're awful at, and if you start doing, will make you a better player.

  1. warding. this isn't just a cliche, you don't do it and that makes you a bad player, period.
  2. deaths. you die too much, especially since you seem to be in a low amount of kills. you're usually involved in under 40% of your teams kills, meaning you aren't helping out during losses and are getting carried in wins.
  3. cs. 12 cs per game on udyr? he's a farm focused jungler. cover pushed lanes, help laners push in after ganks. you should be averaging at least 100 at 20 minutes, and while op.gg doesn't count jungle creeps, you should have around 40-50 minions per game (i'm a gank focused aggro jungler and i still get around 40 lane minions a game).

you have the typical noob mentality of "which champs will help me carry". i didn't climb until i realized i was awful. if you "dont want to know that you are bad", then you'll never improve because admitting you are bad is the first step.

Let me become your disciple sensei.

Code1 votes

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Let me become your disciple sensei.

lol i just get annoyed at some low elo player's mentality whereas people like me in low diamond STILL have the attitude that we suck because we know blaming our teammates or picks is fundamentally wrong

Blastumz1 votes

Drop Diana from your jungle. Not ganking before 6 (8 minutes) is not a good thing for your team.

Fizz Ekko Elise with runeglaive Skarner Vi with cinderhulk>titanic>hydra>tank Khazix Rengar both of these are a lot harder to play, but are very good

P4ppino1 votes

I know good jungle champs to carry silver 4. ANY jungler champion. Hope i could help.

amazingzebra1 votes

As a jungle main who is currently winning a lot in gold, and started in silver 5 this season I can tell you this. While the "meta" is devourer, I have had large success with amumu, hecarim, and maokai. I built team oriented items, and try to peel and accomplish what the team needs of me. I like them cause I can peel, but also dive that 1 carry who is really fed, as well as offering game changing ganks and team fights.

Thats what I look for in my jungles. I find I dont need lee sin level damage, or yi level damage to get most ganks off early, its just not needed imo. if you gank right, from a good angle and get some help some basic lockdown cc should do plenty.

Moonblight1 votes

Thank you! :)

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