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What Jungler should i try and learn next?

Codiac Shift··1 votes·1,611 views

So i've been jungling a good bit of my games. Starting off with Warwick as my first, i loved it. Ganking was great fun. Since then i've played various games with Nidalee and Chogath, learning them fairly well. (I think WW is still my best jungle though) I've also played around with a Nasus jungle just because it's strangely fun! Do any of you have some suggestions on Good junglers i might enjoy playing as? Try to keep them cheap IP ones if you can. I also like sneaking into the enemy's jungle and stealing buffs to only leave the small creeps. So a jungler good at that or even good at early 1v1ing in the jungle. Like i've heard Shaco is good at that? Anyway. I'm just here to ask for some suggestions, ideas, and tips!

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warpenguin5552 votes

sounds like you want nunu

Codiac Shift1 votes

Nunu?

LegendaryLemur1 votes

yep cheap ip, great at stealing enemy buffs

Codiac Shift1 votes

Oh yeah, i see that. Also a bit tanky right? I don't know how good he'd be for getting first blood but i think i'll try him. Expecially for that cheap IP. I can go a bit more expensive than that. Just not 4 to 6 thousand.

Changsty1 votes

A word of warning, Nunu is a deceptively high skillcap champ since he doesn't have much in the way of damage other than his ult, which is difficult to land. You also run the risk of wasting time when counterjungling as you're not clearing your own jungle and/or ganking.

Angry Monster1 votes

His early game is actually quite powerful cause of the monsters he consumes give him special mini buffs. He does fall of late though

AFK Push1 votes

He also has very good scalings ap wise, so a item 3001 might be a decent pick up if ahead and you want your apc to do more damage.

mckaøs1 votes

Yeah, Nunu, the kid on the Yetis back which the champ should be renamed to "Yeti (and Nunu)" cuz the kid is pointless.

Valaran Nara2 votes

The jungler you should get next is Ekko. Yes. The champ who is not even out yet. Watch gameplay footage on YT. It is completely viable.

Codiac Shift1 votes

Haha, alright. I'll check it out. Just a shame he'll be too expensive at first. probably for a while.

Valaran Nara1 votes

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Haha, alright. I'll check it out. Just a shame he'll be too expensive at first. probably for a while.

Well, you could always just play hell of a lot of games with friends. You'll get an IP boost for doing it in a party. Not only that, but it adds up quicker than you think.

1 week, and I was able to get around 6300 because I kept doing premades with my friends. I have, like, 10k worth of IP. Saved up for Ekko then any runes I'll need after.

Codiac Shift1 votes

Ah, playing with friends gives an IP boost? That's good to know.

How many games were you playing a day though? Heavy highschool classes limit me to only about 5 or 6 games a week at most by the time i'm done with homework. And that's if i make a serious point. I haven't actually played this month till just yesterday.

I'll start saving now! Haha. Though before i buy i'll probably wait and check Ekko out a lot more because that's a bigger purchase than i've ever made with IP. Especially because of how little i get to play.

How do you think Ekko looks as a Jungler so far? Promising?

jDVL20eCYs1 votes

he is a super hard jungler and you have to have right runes and now how to the monster aggro if you are going to play him jungle. not recommended. really hard high skil cap. since you mained mister super easy low elo champ ww i can say jungle with him is not easy at all. try jungle with eve and fizz. if you can with them then you might can do it with ekko. do you should not if you want to gain elo

Codiac Shift1 votes

Well, It's not that i neccessarily mained WW. I just enjoyed him as a first because he was easy. Id say that i mained Nidalee, and also got fairly decent with her at one point, before i dropped out of practice. I was going around 10/2/5 most games maybe?

I'll try Fizz, cause i see what you're saying and it'd be good for me to make sure i can play difficult jungles that well.

Also don't forget i played a jungle Nasus a fair bit, so i'm not a stranger to using champions not exactly built for the jungle.

Thanks for the help

Valaran Nara1 votes

How do you think Ekko looks as a Jungler so far? Promising?

He needs a nerf. :| Lol, he's really incredible. I'll go over what I learned about him thus far watching PBE test footage.

1.) Low health. He doesn't have as much HP as the other junglers, so if he doesn't get a really good leash at the beginning, you may feel pain.

2.) Going off of 1, you want to get your Q first since that is your skill shot and it hits 2. It'll do the damage. Once you level up, put your next point into your W. Once it pops after 3 seconds, it'll give you a nice shield to soak up damage.

3.) Going off the W, it actually stuns anybody in the AoE affect as long as you stepped into it. With that said, no need for shield cause they're stunned for a good while, so that'll stop some of the incoming damage.

4.) To help clear camps to alleviate damage and to speed through, you want the trailblazer. Smiting a jungle camp will do a small AoE hitting the other monsters near your target. You will also want Magus because it gives you magic damage on hit with each and every large or epic monster you kill.

5.) His ganks are good because as long as you PLAN AHEAD (you must plan ahead because it's not a reactionary tool), you can send out your W to where you believe the enemy will end up, then you charge in. His E has a double dash. Press it once to tumble roll in one direction, then right click the target within your area of effect, and you'll blink straight towards them for a melee auto. If you use your W right, you would have baited them into your AoE, possibly dodged a skillshot, gap-closed onto them (possibly twice if you tumbled straight at them), stunned them, gain a shield for any enemy that was not in the AoE, and beat the crap out of them until they die.

6.) If, by chance you find your self in a tough spot, you can Ult to where you were 4 seconds ago to heal damage taken and escape. This can be used to allow you to dive the enemy and soak up turret aggro before ulting to disengage. Because it's for 4 seconds ago, if you're fast enough, you can recall, buy any items you need, then ult RIGHT back into jungle. He only needs a second (2...3...4?) to do what he needs. Also, if you play your cards right, you can bait the enemy. Have them chase you, blow their ults spells, blah blah, on you, then ult away as your team comes in to destroy the enemy. So...yeah!

7.) His passive works as an execute. When planning how to take out an enemy think "Finish off" rather than "Obliterate". He mops up low health targets. He can't really "100-0" (unless you're that good)

TLDR;

Very promising

T RexHasTinyArms2 votes

Nunu is the most amazing counter jungle ever, with snowball and blood boil you may not kill the enemy, but you can get away super easy and just be so annoying. Love that little bastard.

If you like invading and early ganks I'd also suggest looking at udyr and xin zhao (probably spelled that wrong). They are both only 1350 IP and are really strong at killing the enemy in early game invades. Plus they aren't really all that mechanically complex.

If you're okay not invading and killing the enemy and want a bit more defensive/team fight oriented jungle, Amumu is pretty cheap, and the biggest issue is his ganks are way weaker before he gets level 6. You're already used to this though if you like WW. (He definitely isn't a strong invader though so if that's important look at the others.)

Finally, if you're good at mechanics and want to invest time to learn a champ, Lee Sin has been good in the jungle no matter how many nerfs get thrown his way. He's a bit more pricy IP wise, so you'd have to be sure you're good at mechanics (since if you're not you won't like him bc he'll be kinda weak if you don't use his kit well and you'll regret spending that much IP), but if you are, you'll love him. He's just amazingly versatile if you're good w/ him. I never liked him though bc you have to weave auto attacks in between abilities and I don't like champs where that isn't optional.

Codiac Shift1 votes

This was loads of help! Thanks a ton! I've glanced at Lee Sin but kinda dropped it quickly because of the IP price, but i'll take another look at him at some point. I've considered Ammu but i like the early game ganks because it also gives my teammates like solo top the chance to farm some extra creeps freely while the enemy champ is distracted or on the run. Or it could result in a nice extra boost if we score a kill early on, within the first 2-4 levels. I'll probably go check out Xin Zhao and Udyr to see about them. I've heard a lot about Udyr lately and that's a decent price.

With how Cheap nunu is, i'll probably buy him just to have such a nice counter jungle in my roster, if he's as good as you say he is.

Thanks again. Your comment was great help!

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

He's an amazing counter jungler and pretty strong in the tank meta right now too. He's more supporty though, so you're gonna be stealing rather than killing when you invade probably. If you haven't seen stonewall008 on youtube I'd check out his channel if I were you. You can look at a couple videos of those champs playing, and he's the only stream/youtube channel I can think of off the top of my head that fast forwards through the farming so you can watch a 30 min game in 10-15 min which is really nice. (Foxdrop may do the same though and that's another youtube jungle main)

Codiac Shift1 votes

What about Udyr? I bought him and since Nunu is free for right now i decided to hold off on getting him as well. I like Udyr so far but i could use a few tips or a youtuber who plays him well. I've only gotten one or two kills so far. (Though about the same amount of deaths so it's not too bad) and i usually just end up with assists. I've gotten a good 10 of those so far. So overall, of the two games i've played with him, about 2/1/10 total. I feel like i should be getting more kills with him than i am though. I think i might start another thread for Udyr tips and help.

I like how fast he can clear camps fairly early on.

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

So one thing is play style changes from tiger udyr to Phoenix udyr, but I think stonewall008 has videos of both on YouTube if you use search function on the channel. Also trick2g is a streamer who does mostly udyr, but it is a pretty specific play style so you may not fit with how he plays it and if you don't that is fine.

Otherwise you can search twitch.tv for the channel itslevi who is a nunu main and has past broadcasts, or just YouTube the name nightblue3 or oddone + the name of the champ you want videos for. Hope that helps.

Codiac Shift1 votes

Ah man. You're so helpful... Thank you!

Codiac Shift1 votes

Another question, for the play style changes, (I know this might seem like a stupid question, but in all honesty i never learned the answer) what exactly do you do or look for to decide if your playstyle should be AD or AP? Does it just take an instinctive knowledge of which champs are weak to what? Or is there an easier way to know?

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

Yeah if you're just looking for what you build then it's about what they scale w/. For instance, Amumu has tanky qualities (damage reduction on e, plus it lowers his cd when he is attacked, and %hp damage on w that does good damage w/out building ap or ad), but also scales well w/ building AP (his q and r both have good numbers for AP increasing their damage) so he can be built tank or ap builds, but not really ad builds bc he doesn't get anything from it. Something like nocturne, lee sin, master yi, or xin zhao can build AD bc they auto attack a lot and have skills w/ AD ratios (damage increases based on your AD but not AP, and you can see that when you scroll over the abilities and read the descriptions), but they don't really get much from building AP so it's a waste of gold.

What I mean when I say play style isn't so much the build though, as much as it is how you win with the champ. There's a player called cowsep who played Yi jungle, and he farms a ton and just gets a lot of damage on Yi to come out strong mid/late game. Trick2g does that w/ Udyr a lot too. Just farm farm farm and hope your team doesn't feed so you can come out fed mid game and your team will wreck. In contrast, someone like Lee from team Impulse in the LCS likes to play champs that just gank every single lane as often as possible and get the lanes and himself ahead through killing enemy lanes rather than farming. Another way to win is objective control and counter jungling. I remember when I mained jungle in Season 3 watching a Nightblue3 stream of him playing Nunu jungle and he took every single camp from the enemy on their first clear except for one. Literally, EVERY SINGLE camp in their jungle. The enemy jungle was like 2 levels behind at 4 minutes or something stupid so his lanes didn't have to worry about getting ganked bc the enemy jungle was so weak, and he could solo drag and gank, and continue to invade the jungle and take the enemy camps. Essentially you may never kill the lanes or the enemy jungle but they end up so under level and under farmed that it is like your team gets to play a 5v4 because you made one enemy useless.

Each type of play is really different, and some champs can play multiple styles (phoenix udyr farms great, tiger udyr can invade and kill the enemy jungle easy, both can gank pretty well depending on how they are played, xin is auto reliant and can go botrk and devourer and farm, or can gank early and often instead of farming and go warrior enchantment or cinderhulk or something). They can all win though so it's about finding something that you like playing and are wiling to put in the time to practice and get better bc you enjoy it.

Codiac Shift1 votes

Ah, so it does seem like you just gotta know what you're up against to decide which stance would be most effective attack wise. Though i think i'll probably focus on phoenix stance when i feel like pushing lanes some games and i'll focus on tiger if i feel like ganking and 1v1ing...

I really like the creative playstyles with jungles, where people make the enemy jungler's camps their target. And i see that you keep saying that through the farming these players are all getting fed and high levels faster than the laners and other jungles. How is this though? Whenever i play jungle, 9 times out of 10, i end up 2 levels behind the rest of my team. I usually go straight for wolves so i dont need a leash, burn my smite, potion, then head down to bot lane where the smite buffs are and burn my last smite and clear that camp, and sometimes go do wraiths as well before recalling for the first time. Should i be doing it a better way?

And how early can i begin 1v1ing well with the enemy jungler, assuming we're within a level of each other or so? And if i wanna start wandering into the enemy jungle early on, which form should i focus on to kill the enemy jungler if i run into them? You say that most of the time tiger stance is best for against the enemy jungler early on?

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

Which stance is more effective depends more on what you're with than what you're against and also what you like to play imo. Phoenix is an aoe clear so it farms faster, while tiger is single target damage so it invades a little better, but depending on how you play both styles can do either one.

That said your damage will be more physical if you're tiger and more magic if you go phoenix. So if your team has all AP champs, then you probably should go tiger since the enemy will build MR against your team and you'll do more damage. If every lane is AD champs, then you probably want to go phoenix since the enemy will be stacking armor against your mostly AD team. Doesn't matter as much what you're against as what the enemy will be reacting to and how you want to play.

Most jungles won't out level the team, but out leveling the other jungle is pretty easy to do and that's what I was saying more so. You do that by either farming while they fail ganks (which is dependent on your team), or invading them and killing them or taking their farm so you're the only one getting exp (dependent on you, since if you get caught and killed by enemy lanes collapsing then they will be ahead in gold and exp and you will be behind).

ALWAYS try to get a leash to start your first clear. It isn't about if you can do it, it's about doing it faster. I generally start bot side since you'll get a stronger leash from bot lane (two champs to add damage) and that gets you clearing the rest faster, thus getting exp/levels/gold and just everything a little bit sooner.

Also if I get a leash for my first clear and you don't then I'll take less damage to start and have more potions so I can come fight you in you jungle w/ an HP advantage, or if we both go to gank the same lane before backing for first back I'll have the HP advantage and my team can possibly win the 3v3. Leash=good. Always try to get one.

Last thing is how early you can invade/1v1. Well it depends, you can invade w/ your team level 1 but that's a different thing and often not worth it bc it's risky w/ an unknown team against an unknown team. You may get hurt more often than you get helped. Otherwise the answer is after your first camp. I haven't played a ton of jungle since season 3, but I loved to counter jungle in those seasons and it was generally, clear buff (you started buff instead of small camp back then) and go straight to their buff at level 2 to steal it as nunu or kill them as mundo. (side note dr mundo is an awesome jungle, but w/ the current jungle doing so much damage on the first clear it's a bit dangerous in terms of your hp going pretty low unless you have spell vamp quints)

Generally though if you're aiming to kill the enemy jungle a lot, your goal (especially in low elo since it's easy and no one deals w/ being invaded well) should be to get good at killing the enemy jungle at level 2 or 3. Ideally you want to be able to kill the enemy jungle on their first clear 90% of the games you play in low elo (it gets harder the closer you and the enemies are in terms of skill level, but if you're significantly above the enemy in skill 90% is doable pretty easy). Killing them on first clear lets you at a minimum back with a hefty gold advantage, and 3 of the 4 buffs on the map. If you get really good you'll kill them take the buff and either have two or go get yours if you didn't, then buy and go kill them at their other buff/counter jungle and take their buff if they don't go to that side of the jungle (this takes warding in their jungle to know which to do bc you need to guess where they are and what they are doing and be right).

Tiger does single target damage so it can be easier to invade at an early level and kill them, but you can do it w/ phoenix pretty well too if you get to know the champ. My advice is play which ever stance you like better after you try both out and get a feel for which one suits you. You may decide you don't want to invade level 2, and instead want to clear the first clear super fast, get your buy before them, and then counter jungle, gank and push a wave in lane, clear your jungle again real fast (phoenix udyr clears fast so move speed quints can get you around a lot and aoe clear down a bunch of monsters for exp advantage). Then, only when you are up a level vs the enemy jungle (since you should have double the cs if you steal theirs clear yours and steal some lane creeps in exchange for a gank and damage on their opponent of course) do you invade and try to kill them w/ the level and item advantage from farming faster than them. It's all about finding the way to play something that you're most comfortable on and making it work. That's why trick2g makes "my way" videos. It's a way to play that works for him. Other people play stuff different and are effective. You just gotta find your style and play to that.

Only Play Darius1 votes

MasterYi

His early game ganks are garbage so he doesn't have as much lane impact as other junglers, but he will easily outfarm just about every other jungler in the league, and he's a true hypercarry so if you get fed you can slaughter entire teams with ease, which is always fun.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

MasterYi Amumu

Nimba1 votes

I love Shyvana

She's strong enough to counter jungle very well and has a very easy time clearing jungle. No real problem 1v1ing in the jungle either. Her biggest issue is CC though, her ult can push people back but you're basically forced to bring exhaust. Certainly not the best jungler but turning into a dragon is 10/10 so that's my take.

4800 ip, little costly but not the full 6300

jDVL20eCYs1 votes

elise. ww is cacner and if i get one in my teaming dim don i know he will be complete useless but probably good in trans elo. i spamme dleise this week and she work in diamond once you get good with her. she is hard to play do but so rewarding and fun and have carry potential. but she is probably to hard for you but if you are willing to struggle through 50 games with her just just watch my stream i can teach you how to play elise

AFK Push1 votes

Maokai He isn't necessarily the best ganker but does decent damage early game for clearing buffs. He has decent sustain as well, and your sapling give you some extra vision/safety. One of the strongest things to do with him in my opinion is a good lane gank or flank gank. The problem is that you rely on your W to get on top of someone and it is fairly short range, but once you are on them tehy aren't getting away without a flash. Also, he is arguably one of the best tanks late game due to his ult for teamfights by tanking and reducing all of the damage on your team. With this in mind I would pick him on a team that has some good "pushing" champs so you can set up a very good counter/lane gank

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