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T RexHasTinyArms2 votes

So I'd say the major problem I see is lack of pressure. In the majority of the games you play there isn't much objective control, and your damage isn't just crushing people to the point of shutting them down and being able to end the game w/out barons or dragons.

The garen game you did well, but no one else on your team did, so you didn't find a way to pressure other lanes, and spread your lead to a team lead. If you can't use your advantage to win (either split push like mad and win w/ your team being weak, or help snowball other lanes/shut down their lane opponent), then you depend on your team to carry you (even if that just means them going even and everyone working together as a team mid game).

The sej game is an even clearer example of this, no one on your team does well really and all the other lanes got ahead, which makes sense looking at the 14 assist amumu who was probably involved in a lot of the kills his lanes got that set them ahead. Also they took two dragons, which shows that at least a little they were pushing to turn their lane advantage into an objective advantage.

The vayne game your team lost their lead in late game and then lost the game in super late game. If you have the advantage you have to learn how to press it and end the game, or you risk this happening bc you're relying on your team to win once the advantage disappears, which is less likely since you didn't win w/ the advantage.

The vayne game you won before these is a good example of how you're relying on your team, 7-5-8 isn't a bad score where you really know you got carried by your team, but look at the stats and you'll see malz and shy carried hard that game. Malz had the most damage to champs by far, and shy had pretty good damage, a ton of damage tanked, and put out enough pressure to keep all the lanes in the game or winning.

The 6-2-7 Lis game might just have been something you couldn't win bc of the team, but w/ tp you probably went top and there are like no kills top lane, so if you used tp and got the kills before team fighting started then you tried and just couldn't keep your teammates in the game. However, if the kills came during team fighting, you need to exert more pressure when you play top, take tower, roam, invade jungle, whatever, but either snowball he hell out of that island by killing someone who's being ignored up there w/ you, or force someone to come top to help them out so the rest of your team has an easier time and doesn't get so behind.

You definitely have some decent games, but you aren't exerting as much pressure as you need to in order to win games w/out relying on your team. Also you may want to consider not playing ADC, or playing something other than vayne. In every gam you have on vayne (wins and loses that I saw in your last 10 or 12 games) you have some of the lowest damage on the team (only looking at damage to champs since that's all that matters). If you're struggling to get close enough to do damage on vayne, you may want to look at an ADC with more range to do some work in team fights. Otherwise you'll only win games as ADC if your team carries you.

If you want an example of what I mean by exerting more pressure, look at the xin zhao in your lissandra win w few games back. He was jungle and had a stupid amount of kills, but he got every single lane ahead, and he almost did as much damage to champs as mid, top, and the ADC combined.

Bronze is all about being able to finish a game. So often people don't know how to end when they're ahead, and often they don't control objectives well either so you can push and steal barons or dragons or stuff to get back in the game and have a chance to win, even though your team got behind and should have lost. Learn to pressure objectives, and spread a lead in your lane to other lanes, and you'll be able to do well.

Howldoom1 votes

I think part of the problem is that I focus more on farming my core build and smashing objectives when I can than on damaging champions. I try not to risk getting outtraded in a flat fight in lane, only damaging when I feel I can do so safely. Those fights where the front lines die on my side are the kind I back off from, because I am averse to feeding. Do I need to change my farm to win mindset? I tend to die and fall behind going ham.

T RexHasTinyArms2 votes

Yeah I'd say a mind set change is needed, but not the way you're thinking. It isn't about "need to go ham, even if I die" (on most champs at least), but learning to go ham and not die. Not sure if you main a role or a champ or anything, but my experience was that in mid bronze up through low silver, is that by learning a couple champs more thoroughly I could do pretty well even with a bad team. I don't play support as well as I'd like, but my Annie crushed up through high bronze and I'm pretty confident in my heimer mid/top and jungle nunu into literally any match up in silver at this point.

The trick is knowing exactly what your champ is capable of. I've sacrificed dragon and half my team mid game letting them 4v5 when we were behind because I knew we would lose the 5v5 or go evenT best and I was able to take 2 towers and the inhib, because I knew my champ could do it, and super minions were worth more since they force someone to defend at some point and you can 5v4 or take the free tower elsewhere.

For you it looks like liss and vayne are sort of your go to picks. I have met few to no really good vaynes in low elo, but been against a smurf or two that played vayne and low elo she can be terrifying if played well. Botrk, tumble, invisibility, ms from shiv or pd, is kite for days. You can duel pretty much anyone, and have tons of ability to move around in team fights and dodge the enemy damage to you so you can live even without peel from your team if you're really good. Otherwise I'd suggest looking at maybe Caitlyn or jinx as options for long range carries if it is hard for you to stay at a safe range with vayne and still get in to do damage. Ashe and trust might also be options for that.

Liss is all about cc, their adc or apc should never get to kill your other carries. Lock them down and kill them when they come in and your team suddenly has more damage champs then theirs and it is easy to win the team fight. Not sure if that helps, but it should get you in the right frame of mind. Some games are just not possible to win, but the number of games that is true in starts to go down the harder you win your lane and the more you can stay safe without relying on your team. If you can stay safe as a carry without peel then you become impossible to kill when you do get peel, and when you don't then your team is hopefully freed up to do more damage to them while you live longer than their carries bc you can care for yourself better than them.

Hope something in all that was useful.

Howldoom1 votes

Okay, so from what I'm gathering, here's all of my info:

  • I was first climbing with Vi and then Sejuani, but now they're permabanned. Sion was my other carry, but I've lost interest in him after some bad matchups like Nasus who I can't kill in lane. Now I'm just playing whoever I know I can play that would work based on the enemy team
  • No Internet in my apartment; makes use of free wifi. Which sometimes disconnects or lags horribly, maybe 1/4 or 1/5 of the time. Not willing to spend $60-$70 a month to do better in a game that is free, and also don't want to be cooped up in my apartment all day outside of work or family meetups.
  • All 20 rune pages, a bunch of general mastery pages

Now I feel like I need to know how to apply more pressure, but I'm very averse to feeding or getting killed; I've been aiming more for farming my end-game build to wreck in the late game, when I know I can be more reliable. Stopped ganking frequently as a jg, as that largely results in nothing happening, or me getting baited and dying, which I hate with a passion. Also finding that I tilt way too hard; I've been told that I am a very sore loser, but I don't want to give up outside of real-world obligations.

LordGeovanni1 votes

im only bronze so feel free to disregard my opinion though ive been on for 3 or more years your team frequently has no dragon control and what ever fights you are winning you may be backing to before getting a tower rather than getting the tower then backing as the closest lane to the dragon bottom should keep a ward by dragon.

hh the thinker1 votes

with someone like vayne, you're positioning has to be really, really good because of the short attack range. also, having GA and banshee's is a bit much for defence (and you lose a lot of offence because of this). only one defence item is really needed. instead of one of the defence items, you could go BT (botrk and BT gives massive lifesteal and the bt shield plus bt gives 80 ad).

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