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I'm Confused With A Bit Of Odyssey Lore

Howldoom··9 votes·18,142 views

Odyssey Kayn Special Interactions = Rhaast in this universe is affiliated with the Dark Star.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1FmoA2ZMVI&t=174s

Dark Star champions: Chogath Khazix Orianna Thresh Varus JarvanIV

Odyssey Lore, Kayn: "... Shieda Kayn has ascended to become one of the Ordinals of the Demaxian Empire, carrying out the will of Emperor Jarvan IV himself..."

If this assumes Dark Star and Odyssey share the same universe... does this mean that JarvanIV is using the Demaxians as unwitting pawns to solidify the Dark Star's endgame? Or is this universe set before the "humanity and his people lost forever" debacle that led to him becoming Dark Star J4?

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RiotCarnival Knights16 votes

I think you missed a bit of lore hiding in the VO and the short story. I'll do my best to explain this without spoiling anything.

So, Rhaast is not from the Odyssey universe. No corruptant is -- he is alone, having fallen through the Ora Gate at an as-yet (pay attention to the special loading screen tips when the mode goes live!) undetermined point in time, and can't return on his own. Being a corruptant, his ultimate goal is to consume all of existence (this is why he sounds like he wants to eat people) and and then leap into the Dark Star itself, ending time, thought, and matter. However, the Dark Star does not exist in Odyssey. This "Ora" stuff does instead, which is biological fuel that enhances people and technology. In order to reactivate the Ora Gate for his own purposes he needs both a body (he somehow got trapped in this scythe, again pay attention to the loading screen tips!) and a TON of Ora, so he subtly influences Kayn and makes his unbidden ambitions take over his mind. Twisting his youthful anger into an obsessive need to adsorb the Ora of other sentients, Kayn takes Sona, someone who can speak to Ora and who knows how the Gate operates, and attempts to 'open' it and gain 'unlimited power.' This, of course, is a ruse. Rhaast is lying the entire time -- he doesn't care about Ora as anything but a tool.

Sona escapes, and Rhaast and Kayn end up getting stuck with each other for years longer than either of them intended as they hunt her down. She joins the Morning Star, Kayn starts chasing the crew, and bingo bango here we are.

I don't think anybody knows what Rhaast really is. To understand his true self would be like a normal human comprehending an eldritch god -- even the general concept of the alien, sentient Dark Star would break an average person's mind. Jarvan is just a mortal emperor doing Mortal Emperor Stuff, and Kayn starts actively disobeying him the minute he picks up the scythe. Dude has no idea what a Dark Star is... we do because, obviously, we have Player Knowledge. They do not.

As for the Ora Gate? I know what it is and how it works, but I'm not talking ;)

Annnnnd... yeah, I didn't spoil anything! Hope that helps!

RiotCarnival Knights5 votes

Also gonna use this opportunity to say go read the short story if anyone hasn't! It's very, very good and really, really creepy.

Ask Kayn2 votes

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Also gonna use this opportunity to say go read the short story if anyone hasn't! It's very, very good and really, really creepy.

What can I say, I loved the story.

At first, I was surprised to see Kayn acting almost "nice" with his -pet- robot thing. But then it was clear it was built as a complete cycle for the ending, to properly show Kayn's transformation.

Also, I really liked how he was the "strongest" willed of them all, despite Rhaast's whispers grating on his mind.

Though I don't fully understand why he picks up the scythe. Did I mean he begrudgingly gave in while claiming the "Rhaast shut up" or just to silence his -call-?

The whole DarkStar Jarvan didn't go unnoticed! Neither the fact Darkstar Jarvan has a hole in his heart. Does it mean at some point Kayn or Rhaast impaled the emperor, his friend and turned him into that monstrosity? Or is it Darkstar Jarvan a completely different entity?

It also seems Kayn has a particular spite for Sona, being this quiet girl the only one who didn't weep in fear before him.

Mogarl2 votes

#Spoilers

######Because if Kayn didn't pick up the scythe he was going to become a streak of various colors on/in the ground. The Gentle Reminder was going to kill him. Tragically the fact that Kayn is alive also means that taking Rhaast broke the mind control only for all those on the Gentle Reminder to be killed anyways.

Ask Kayn1 votes

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#Spoilers

######Because if Kayn didn't pick up the scythe he was going to become a streak of various colors on/in the ground. The Gentle Reminder was going to kill him. Tragically the fact that Kayn is alive also means that taking Rhaast broke the mind control only for all those on the Gentle Reminder to be killed anyways.

Sweet. Thank you!! Ah, survival is such a complicated thing right.

ZackTheWaffleMan1 votes

link?

Nintendo 3DS1 votes

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I think you missed a bit of lore hiding in the VO and the short story. I'll do my best to explain this without spoiling anything.

So, Rhaast is not from the Odyssey universe. No corruptant is -- he is alone, having fallen through the Ora Gate at an as-yet (pay attention to the special loading screen tips when the mode goes live!) undetermined point in time, and can't return on his own. Being a corruptant, his ultimate goal is to consume all of existence (this is why he sounds like he wants to eat people) and and then leap into the Dark Star itself, ending time, thought, and matter. However, the Dark Star does not exist in Odyssey. This "Ora" stuff does instead, which is biological fuel that enhances people and technology. In order to reactivate the Ora Gate for his own purposes he needs both a body (he somehow got trapped in this scythe, again pay attention to the loading screen tips!) and a TON of Ora, so he subtly influences Kayn and makes his unbidden ambitions take over his mind. Twisting his youthful anger into an obsessive need to adsorb the Ora of other sentients, Kayn takes Sona, someone who can speak to Ora and who knows how the Gate operates, and attempts to 'open' it and gain 'unlimited power.' This, of course, is a ruse. Rhaast is lying the entire time -- he doesn't care about Ora as anything but a tool.

Sona escapes, and Rhaast and Kayn end up getting stuck with each other for years longer than either of them intended as they hunt her down. She joins the Morning Star, Kayn starts chasing the crew, and bingo bango here we are.

I don't think anybody knows what Rhaast really is. To understand his true self would be like a normal human comprehending an eldritch god -- even the general concept of the alien, sentient Dark Star would break an average person's mind. Jarvan is just a mortal emperor doing Mortal Emperor Stuff, and Kayn starts actively disobeying him the minute he picks up the scythe. Dude has no idea what a Dark Star is... we do because, obviously, we have Player Knowledge. They do not.

As for the Ora Gate? I know what it is and how it works, but I'm not talking ;)

Annnnnd... yeah, I didn't spoil anything! Hope that helps!

So Kayn is hum... Rhaast complete puppet. I almost feel bad for him now. Rhaast does what he wants and is feeding himself on Kayn desilusions.

Now there is a Dark Star J4 and it's pretty ingruigjng. There is no way he didn't get corrupted by the Dark star himself leading to this skin. Too much coincidences. DS J4 bio also oddly match to this idea.

Tell me more dear Rito I can't wait ! I love how you wrote the whole idea of Dark Stars and Rhaast being overall way superior to humans in concepts. Even Kayn ambition seems so small in comparison to Rhaast thirst for world end, and somehow i dig this suff.

RiotCarnival Knights3 votes

Not a complete puppet, no. If you listen to the skin dialogue, Kayn is definitely realizing that Rhaast isn't what he says he is.

Hexs Fortune1 votes

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Not a complete puppet, no. If you listen to the skin dialogue, Kayn is definitely realizing that Rhaast isn't what he says he is.

Well, it sounds to me as if we have the first instance of skins hopping through universes.

I want dark star j4 to look down upon odyssey j4 as galactus does

Vlada Cut3 votes

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Not a complete puppet, no. If you listen to the skin dialogue, Kayn is definitely realizing that Rhaast isn't what he says he is.

"An imperial soldier and a monster from an alternate reality walked into a bar... - Wait... what was the last part? - They were in a bar Kayn! Pay attention..." Oh I see what you did there.

EyesOfTheFox1 votes

Would Riot ever consider making the story play out in the event itself instead of having to go read something else that takes you away from playing the actual game? As in letting us PLAY the story instead of making it a kind of second thought that isn't really necessary to actually play the game mode?

Howldoom1 votes

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I think you missed a bit of lore hiding in the VO and the short story. I'll do my best to explain this without spoiling anything.

So, Rhaast is not from the Odyssey universe. No corruptant is -- he is alone, having fallen through the Ora Gate at an as-yet (pay attention to the special loading screen tips when the mode goes live!) undetermined point in time, and can't return on his own. Being a corruptant, his ultimate goal is to consume all of existence (this is why he sounds like he wants to eat people) and and then leap into the Dark Star itself, ending time, thought, and matter. However, the Dark Star does not exist in Odyssey. This "Ora" stuff does instead, which is biological fuel that enhances people and technology. In order to reactivate the Ora Gate for his own purposes he needs both a body (he somehow got trapped in this scythe, again pay attention to the loading screen tips!) and a TON of Ora, so he subtly influences Kayn and makes his unbidden ambitions take over his mind. Twisting his youthful anger into an obsessive need to adsorb the Ora of other sentients, Kayn takes Sona, someone who can speak to Ora and who knows how the Gate operates, and attempts to 'open' it and gain 'unlimited power.' This, of course, is a ruse. Rhaast is lying the entire time -- he doesn't care about Ora as anything but a tool.

Sona escapes, and Rhaast and Kayn end up getting stuck with each other for years longer than either of them intended as they hunt her down. She joins the Morning Star, Kayn starts chasing the crew, and bingo bango here we are.

I don't think anybody knows what Rhaast really is. To understand his true self would be like a normal human comprehending an eldritch god -- even the general concept of the alien, sentient Dark Star would break an average person's mind. Jarvan is just a mortal emperor doing Mortal Emperor Stuff, and Kayn starts actively disobeying him the minute he picks up the scythe. Dude has no idea what a Dark Star is... we do because, obviously, we have Player Knowledge. They do not.

As for the Ora Gate? I know what it is and how it works, but I'm not talking ;)

Annnnnd... yeah, I didn't spoil anything! Hope that helps!

So the TLDR is that they're separate universes and that Dark Star Jarvan and Odyssey Jarvan are separate people?

IainG101 votes

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As for the Ora Gate? I know what it is and how it works, but I'm not talking ;)

Annnnnd... yeah, I didn't spoil anything! Hope that helps!

So...that means there's more to come, right?

All aboard the hype train!

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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I don't think anybody knows what Rhaast really is.

I bet that he is a just a fallen warrior from the Galactic Empire of Azir

http://www.leaguesplash.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Galactic-Azir.jpg

Because inmortal galactic emperors are better than human emperors.

Blackcatofyin1 votes

you nailed it you said it better then i could

Vlada Cut1 votes

Wrong. What that means is that J4 is a Dark Starin the universe Rhaast is from, he was sealed.and locked away from dark star universe and locked into an alternate universe we call Odyssey. In that universe J4 is the emperor. That explains why in this universe we have a different entity of Jinx, and the one he came from. PS: My speculation as to why he is unfamiliar with star guardian jinx and the rest is for being trapped milenias before star guardian invasion occured, and that he was found by Kayn in oddyssey universe at the same or similar time the invasion occured in Rhaast's universe.

Game girl 11 votes

So does anyone have any speculation on why Rhaast is afraid of the dark star champions...? Isn't Rhaast one of them?

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