Zhonya's Hourglass or Rod of Ages for Karthus? (Mid)

General Grodd··1 votes·1,981 views

So earlier today I reached level 18 as Karthus (just him today btw) with a full build. I had Sorcerer's shoes, Rabadon's Deathcap, Archangel's staff, Rylai's crystal scepter, and the Void Staff. However I couldn't decide what I wanted last. As the title asks, which would you recommend and why?

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I Kill Commies3 votes

Rod should be your first buy. I buy tear, then get rod, then upgrade tear. Doing this build makes you really really weak early because you're not building any damage for awhile, but if you just farm and stall then you're late game is unbeatable.

Sinister Snail1 votes

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Rod should be your first buy. I buy tear, then get rod, then upgrade tear. Doing this build makes you really really weak early because you're not building any damage for awhile, but if you just farm and stall then you're late game is unbeatable.

This. Seraph's passive and active sync really well with RoA.

Amelie1 votes

If it's the LAST item then the best choice is Zhonya's for more damage and the stasis. You have to get RoA way earlier in the game to charge it up.

General Grodd1 votes

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If it's the LAST item then the best choice is Zhonya's for more damage and the stasis. You have to get RoA way earlier in the game to charge it up.

So wait, so would you recommend getting Rod of Ages early game in place of one of those other items listed above?

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

I believe that many people used to get Rod of Ages as the first item on Karthus for the health and mana. However, I believe that Tear of the Goddess -> Rylai's Crystal Scepter eventually replaced it due to the slow.

If you plan to get Rod of Ages, I would recommend getting it first, followed by Rabadon's Deathcap and Void Staff, and just not bothering with Archangel's Scepter.

With your build at that point, Zhonya's Hourglass would have been the better option. Stasis is extremely valuable and at that point in the game, 650 Health without any resistances backing it up is pretty insignificant; better to have stasis to dodge spells.

Dont Smite Me1 votes

I play karthus all the time here is my personal build for him
Summoner spells summoner 4 summoner 12 What i personaly take every time, i like that im able to tp back to lane quickly if i need to early game and then split push and provide pressure with my R for a team fight and then tp in if im needed.

summoner 4 summoner 3 i will take this on arams but i dont usually take this ive seen others take it and it works wonders for them but just not my style.


Starting items item 1056 item 2010 x2

Core Items item 3027oritem 3003 or both item 3089 item 3135 item 3020 item 3157


Situational items if you picked both for rod of ages and archangels ignore this item 3285 or item 3116 or item 3041 or item 3001

item 3285The only reason i like ludens echo is honestly its a bonus 120 ap and its just more ap to stack for the 1000ap dream

item 3116 I think rylais is probably the best gold value wise on karthus beacuse its only 20 ap less than ludens and gives another 400 health so your a bit healthier On top of all that you get a slow so if you can get a Q off single target you get the full slowing effect (otherwise you only get the 15% slow still good though) if you use your wall of pain(W) to slow to start then get a few Q's up with them you can turn on defile (E) to keep them slowed while you hammer away with your Q.

item 3041 only get this if your goal is to only survive the whole game ( prolly would pick this up first if your gonna get it) if you can get it to 20 stacks and get the 15%cdr it will be fantastic for your ult being up even more often.

item 3157 Id only get this if they are like all AP or magic damage champs (like a corki adc an ap support ap mid and an ap top) it gives you some MR which is nice and it reduces there MR so you can hit them a bit more probbably if you doing like a sucide karthus it would be more helpful dont know if you get this effect in his passive though

GroundRuleDouble1 votes

I used to play him a lot. I would build Tear and Sorc Shoes early.

Final build now would be item 3003 item 3020 item 3089 item 3157 item 3285 item 3135

Other options are item 3116 and item 3027 , but I would build Rod shortly after Tear.

I wonder how item 3151 and item 3116 would do on him...

Anyway, you want Zhonya's pretty early because you want to flash into the middle of team fights with your AOE on, activate Zhonya's, then start popping your Q as they start to run away, then your R. You want to be right in the middle of team fights.

Also, if you want to troll (and have fun) build spell vamp with full AP build. Super fun.

Dont Smite Me1 votes

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I wonder how item 3151 and item 3116 would do on him...

Ive tried it i really dont think its worth it compared to your average full ap build, but it is semi decent if you NEED to burn down multipule tanks during teamfights

junglerboy161 votes

RoA is best as an Early item on Karthus, so if it was your last slot already, get Zhonya's

Ideally though, you do want to have RoA in your build as a second item after picking up your TotG early. The real choice should have been between Rylai's and Zhonya's, since Rylai's is a much more situational item than RoA. in that case, I would say get Zhonya's if you are getting assassinated, and Rylai's if you want to keep everyone slowed within your E for as long as possible.

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