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How do you carry this?

Banuvan··2 votes·1,193 views
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This is how 2 out of every 3 games goes for the most part. How is this supposed to be carried? Yea, I have bad games but never this bad. I have teams like this VERY often. How does one carry this type of team? Gotta figure it out considering it's happening so often. I'm not the greatest but i'm at a complete loss on how to handle this many games where the people just don't know how to play....at all.

Jinx picked jinx 4th btw and then complained in game about not being able to do anything against darius after dying 5 times in lane. Just FYI.

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Dataless4 votes

You know, I really can't stand when people link their win/loss screen and then try to play the victim, because it doesn't tell the actual story of the game. So let's go REAL in depth shall we?

Your rune page is suboptimal to say the least, you're stacking a metric shit ton of flat AD on Kalista but you're maxing her E first. You have no attack speed. As an ADC you live and die by the number of auto attacks you get off in a fight, especially on Kalista with E max you NEED to be putting a ton of spears into someone in a very short window and yet you're shooting yourself in the foot. You also have a grand total of 15 MR vs a Veigar who can 100 - 0 you at will, you didn't respect that enough to buy a QSS, Banshee's, or any defensive item at all? Questionable.

Secondly your item build and skill order don't synch. You are going BF sword first, this is fine, but you're maxing her E which is an attack speed reliant spell. Sadly this problem isn't unique to you, pretty much every Kalista player in NA does this and it's one of the reasons we are so bad at the champion as a region. If you're putting this much emphasis on flat AD max her Q first. The damage is high, the AD ratio is amazing, and if you stick a bunch of spears into a lane minion and then Q THROUGH them onto the enemy ADC you can proc a high damage Rend with 0 retaliation. This isn't even taking the Q damage into account, or the W proc damage if your support is smart enough to proc it when you do this.

Third, you do no damage lategame. None. In fact looking at the statistics for your game you only did 100 more damage to champions than your support, 6.6k less damage to champions than your Mundo, and you were outdamaged by EVERY member of the opposing team with the exception of the Taric. This is because you have no crit, and thus no actual way to kill the armor stacking tanks on the enemy team. Without crit there is no way in hell you're going to kill a Thornmail Darius or an armor stacking Taric (who already has a defensive steroid to begin with). Now granted the enemy team has a whole bunch more kills, meaning more damage dealt to champions overall, but if you are barely beating out your support then you really aren't carrying as hard as you think you are.

That's not even the kicker though, the kicker is that you're blaming your team. There are PLENTY of metrics upon which you can improve before you even have the right to entertain the thought that you are being held down by your teammates. Even then you aren't even accepting responsibility for the loss, which means that you aren't ready to improve as a player.

There will be bad games, and you will have teammates who have bad games, and you're just going to have to get over it. You carry by learning from your mistakes and trying again, by focusing on what YOU did wrong and not deflecting blame.

BluePolarizer1 votes

pros don't build crit on Kalista though. Her rend is the equivalent of a 30% crit and +30 AD.

Dataless1 votes

Not against armor stacking it isn't. Crit is how marksmen burst down high health, high armor targets.

BluePolarizer1 votes

The pros might know something about Kalista that you don't.

http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Kalista

Kalista lost the games she built crit in and won most game she did not.

The reason is - it is irrelevant how much HP and armor have if you have BoRK, LW and good mechanics. He won't touch you.

Dataless1 votes

We're not talking about a pro playing Kalista in a vacuum, we're talking about a silver 2 Kalista who is most definitely playing her sub-optimally and is in an environment where her team is behind in gold and more than likely unable to kite infinitely because of that fact.

I am aware Kalista does not build crit, and I am also aware that she struggles against very tanky targets because she needs to be able to put 15+ spears into a target before Rend does anything meaningful, and in THIS particular situation that simply was not going to happen with any reliability. I'm really not interested in theoretical arguments, I examined the facts that were available to me and formed my opinion based upon those facts.

Banuvan1 votes

While you sound fairly angry I can do these things. People do learn and do improve. There is a lot that tells the story in there. I asked how to carry that because it happens OFTEN. You gave me advice. Works great that way. BTW, won the game after this and we should have lost. Team finally listened and quit chasing and roaming alone. Was a good game overall but stressful.

It's frustrating so I came here to ask for help. Regular posts get blown off with a l2p or a get gud silver noob. Garbage like that. So thank you for your input and i've already made changes.

Dataless2 votes

You are totally correct, it was rather late at night when I made my initial post and I could have improved my tone to be less abrasive, I apologize for that. I'm glad things are looking up.

Banuvan3 votes

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You are totally correct, it was rather late at night when I made my initial post and I could have improved my tone to be less abrasive, I apologize for that. I'm glad things are looking up.

It's not entirely your fault. My post came off as whiny and childish as well.

Dataless1 votes

Then I'm glad both of us learned something from this.

NuSix31 votes

Where are you getting statistics on late/early game damage? Maybe I'm blind and it's somewhere obvious.

Please answer because I'd really like to know how to check that.

Banuvan2 votes

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Where are you getting statistics on late/early game damage? Maybe I'm blind and it's somewhere obvious.

Please answer because I'd really like to know how to check that.

I don't think there is anything that specifies how much damage you are doing when. He's going off my item build and enemies items etc.

Dataless2 votes

If you click on a persons match history from the LoL client you can pull up a detailed match history that has more statistics to look at, but as the OP said it doesn't say how much damage happened when, just the total numbers.

Spikeman713 votes

Silver 5 = Bronze 5

Banuvan1 votes

Have anything relevant to add or just trolling?

Spikeman712 votes

I'm saying Silver 5 is still full of horrible people.

hh the thinker2 votes

the score board only says so much, hard to say without actually seeing the game.

Banuvan1 votes

[{quoted}](name=hh the thinker,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=GFHYoAEE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-05-15T06:34:52.382+0000)

the score board only says so much, hard to say without actually seeing the game.

I wish there was a replay system....but anyway....

I'd love to show you the game if I had it recorded but I don't. I am the first to admit i'm not the greatest player in the world obviously. This is getting extremely disheartening though.

hh the thinker2 votes

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I wish there was a replay system....but anyway....

I'd love to show you the game if I had it recorded but I don't. I am the first to admit i'm not the greatest player in the world obviously. This is getting extremely disheartening though.

ya, games like that can be annoying. I know the feeling and so does many others. best thing to do is focus on improving the little things and trying to jut relax and enjoy yourself. having a top lane jinx vs darius isn't that common either, so a situation like that isn't the thing you should be worrying about.

main thing with adc is positioning and kitting. if they have cc that catches you out, get QSS. not sure if taric stun was a problem or anything else, but that's about the most I can say without actually watching.

Banuvan1 votes

[{quoted}](name=hh the thinker,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=GFHYoAEE,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-05-15T06:42:28.771+0000)

ya, games like that can be annoying. I know the feeling and so does many others. best thing to do is focus on improving the little things and trying to jut relax and enjoy yourself. having a top lane jinx vs darius isn't that common either, so a situation like that isn't the thing you should be worrying about.

main thing with adc is positioning and kitting. if they have cc that catches you out, get QSS. not sure if taric stun was a problem or anything else, but that's about the most I can say without actually watching.

Taric wasn't bad. Morg was pretty good with shields and we were winning bot lane. There was nothing I could really. Can't 1v5 a team. This is how games go 2 out of 3. It's ridiculous. There is no way to carry a team like this and when you get teams like this as often as I am then how is one supposed to move up?

Pew Pew Lasers1 votes

She was against Darius with thornmail and didn't build bork and whisper? rofl

Why did she even build shiv? Aoe auto is what her Q is for. Build Dancer. More speed, more crit, best passive ever.

She could have destroyed him but instead started making IE like a stubborn bronze.

Banuvan1 votes

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She was against Darius with thornmail and didn't build bork and whisper? rofl

Why did she even build shiv? Aoe auto is what her Q is for. Build Dancer. More speed, more crit, best passive ever.

She could have destroyed him but instead started making IE like a stubborn bronze.

Well, this is what I have to deal with almost every single game so gotta figure out some way to carry people who feed this badly.

Pew Pew Lasers1 votes

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Well, this is what I have to deal with almost every single game so gotta figure out some way to carry people who feed this badly.

Mundo as your jungler was your other problem. Zed should have jungled, Mundo should have topped, and you and jinx should have been bot/mid... I assume Zed was against Veigar?

Banuvan1 votes

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Mundo as your jungler was your other problem. Zed should have jungled, Mundo should have topped, and you and jinx should have been bot/mid... I assume Zed was against Veigar?

Yes. I offered to go top instead of the jinx because I know how to play safely and from range. Zed fed veigar with mundo while jinx fed darius. Trynd attempted ganks bot but we were solid down there. Once Trynd hit 6 he just started diving zed with veigar and their entire team snowballed completely out of control.

Pew Pew Lasers1 votes

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Yes. I offered to go top instead of the jinx because I know how to play safely and from range. Zed fed veigar with mundo while jinx fed darius. Trynd attempted ganks bot but we were solid down there. Once Trynd hit 6 he just started diving zed with veigar and their entire team snowballed completely out of control.

People really need to learn to swap rolls when they are up against something ill-suited for their champ. Honestly, I think Zed would have been better against Darius(since he didnt have smite); and you or jinx against Veigar. But probably jinx since she can poke him further away and CC to counter his own stun.

EliteGunm4n1 votes

It would appear that it was Jinx vs Darius in the top lane (if I guessed the positions correctly). That could easily be a rough match up if he gets an early lead. and Mundo won't add much to stop him from deleting a Jinx when he ganks anyways. This matchup was going to be a tough one from the very beginning.

Banuvan1 votes

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It would appear that it was Jinx vs Darius in the top lane (if I guessed the positions correctly). That could easily be a rough match up if he gets an early lead. and Mundo won't add much to stop him from deleting a Jinx when he ganks anyways. This matchup was going to be a tough one from the very beginning.

Yep. You guessed it. She died...a lot. She got ganked once by trynd. The rest were solo kills from darius. After she died three times she said there is nothing she could do and started jungling while darius pushed the tier 2 turret down.

Mob Psycho 1001 votes

You get out by duo q

Banuvan1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Party Thranduil,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=GFHYoAEE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-05-15T07:10:45.035+0000)

You get out by duo q

Wish that were an option honestly.

BluePolarizer1 votes

Not all games are winnable. I've had games where I went 17-5-10 and still lost. The reason is you did not spread your dominance to other lanes despite an inferior comp. Here's the thing: Jungle Tryndamere starts off slow, but pretty safe. If he gets rolling, he will destroy your team because you had nothing to peel him except Morg and Jinx chompers. Zed and Mundo were bad picks. If they got ahead, sure. But if they get behind? They stay behind.

Commit Sudoku1 votes

picks champion that you literally rely on another player in solo queue while being in silver... yah this isn't on you at all

Banuvan1 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1824417572/31850613?tab=overview

early game damage was low but it started getting up there after I finished the BT. Unfortunately the caitlyn afk'd after WW ganked her once so it wasn't a fair game.

I'm off to bed though. Thanks everybody for the advice even if it was angry. Two wins in a row is pushing my luck so i'll just wait till tomorrow.

Simplicate1 votes

Silver 5 pisses me off the most due to the fact that many noobies got placed there due to luck and cant even climb, leaving me to be stuck with them. Elo hell bb

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