Help with Fiddlesticks

Candel·Apr 27, 2015·2 votes·1,649 views

Hello LoL Boards, I could use some help. So I've been attempting to learn Fiddlesticks recently, and its been going horribly. I just can't seem to figure him out and its a real pain for me since I'm someone who normally picks up champions very fast. The main problem I'm encountering is that no matter what I try to build or how I play I either die a lot, or I don't really contribute. I can't seem to ever successfully gank people early as they just walk away or use flash for a free escape. Then I end up getting pretty much one-shot every single fight if I ever go in. Even when I finally finish Zhonya's, people will literally stand in my ult and wait for it to end to kill me because I do from 2-3 abilities. The only time I find any success playing Fiddle is when their team either has very few stuns or no escape abilities. Even if these situation however, I still do horrible sometimes. For example, in my last game there was a Diana mid who basically spent the whole game roaming into my jungle and one-shotting me QR with no way for me to survive. I pretty much had four wards on the map at all time and yet I still couldn't do anything as I can't ward the whole map and my team wouldn't help me when she showed up at my buffs. This is the first time I've really felt like giving up on learning a champion.

I'm sorry the post is a bit of a mess, but I can't really find a good way to really describe the problems I am having with him and I am typing this late at night. If you think you can help, let me know. I would really like to figure him out.

TL;DR I can't for the life of me figure out how to make Fiddle work, try to help if you can.

24 Comments

Nucleophilic atkApr 27, 20153 votes

I mained Fiddles season 3 and 4 and I don't want to touch him now. He is out classed by early ganking junglers as well as the new tank meta junglers. His constant nerfs have also made lane Fiddles pretty shitty. Play someone else lol.

crazymageApr 29, 20151 votes

Yea, I used to play fiddle sticks a lot too but now the meta is too tanky for him to do anything. As jungler there are too many tank junglers who have lots of cc. Sejuani, Gragas, or Vi can just stand in the ult and then cc you the instant hourglass ends. Even as support fiddlesticks gets rekt by Nautilus, Jana, and Thresh. Its dark days for fiddlesticks RIP.

Nucleophilic atkApr 29, 20151 votes

Yeah. Fiddles used to be known as the CC man. Now, his CC is less than champs that bring other things to the table. It is sad...he was a unique champ. But, I guess he can't be good since he isn't mobile.

crazymageApr 29, 20151 votes

Yea I think a lot of it comes down to his low defensive stats. He is so squishy that by the time your in range to fear they have already dropped you down to like 1/3 hp. Have you tried tank fiddlesticks? I was thinking of trying it myself but idk...

Nucleophilic atkApr 29, 20151 votes

Lol, I have xD I have also played Crittlesticks....problem with tank is that you do NO damage. Like 0. So people just ignore you lol.

crazymageApr 29, 20151 votes

Yea i kind of figured that, i was just hoping to be so annoying with fear/silence that people would rage attack me xD guess they are smarter then we thought D:

Nucleophilic atkApr 29, 20151 votes

I mean, I've had success with it lol...but it isn't exactly viable. His clear times are also horrid lol.

crazymageApr 29, 20151 votes

Maybe as support or top lane? Sigh idk i think I'm just going to have to relegate fiddle to bot games... those intermediate bots are about to get a whole lot O' da Fiddle

Nucleophilic atkApr 29, 20151 votes

I lied. Tank Fiddles with Cinderhulk OP. This was with an afk and feeding mid/support :)

crazymageApr 30, 20151 votes

YOuuuuu mudda Fudder, im going to have to try this now. If it fails im blaming you :P

Nucleophilic atkApr 30, 20151 votes

Take into account I have like 1500 ranked games with Fiddles lol.

crazymageApr 30, 20151 votes

lol teach me sempia xD

TaelastanApr 27, 20152 votes

I don't think that Fiddle is very useful regardless before level 6 except for the fear when you're ganking. He's a great jungler if you have the right team comp to back it up. What are you building on him as the first two complete items?

CandelApr 27, 20151 votes

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I don't think that Fiddle is very useful regardless before level 6 except for the fear when you're ganking. He's a great jungler if you have the right team comp to back it up. What are you building on him as the first two complete items?

I'm going for the basic item rush on him most games which is Stalkers-Magus, Sorc Shoes, and Zhonyas. After that it really depends on the enemy team.

RogueWillApr 27, 20151 votes

if you are a begining with Fiddlesticks I would recommend trabalizer instead of stalker... it will give you some AoE to clear camps more efficiently and not being vulnerable for so long. As for the zhonyas rush I hope you are rushing the needlessly long rod first as you need the ap to do damage. After zhonyas go Scpeter, Deathcap or Ryali's depending on the game.

As for the ganks, any time I burn an enemy summoner on their scape I consider it a succesful gank. But since fiddlestick has no real gapcloser (besides a surprise ult) early game you want to take the long path to gank, you want to come as close as the enemy turrret as possible so they have to go around you to break your heal teather.

CandelApr 27, 20151 votes

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if you are a begining with Fiddlesticks I would recommend trabalizer instead of stalker... it will give you some AoE to clear camps more efficiently and not being vulnerable for so long. As for the zhonyas rush I hope you are rushing the needlessly long rod first as you need the ap to do damage. After zhonyas go Scpeter, Deathcap or Ryali's depending on the game.

As for the ganks, any time I burn an enemy summoner on their scape I consider it a succesful gank. But since fiddlestick has no real gapcloser (besides a surprise ult) early game you want to take the long path to gank, you want to come as close as the enemy turrret as possible so they have to go around you to break your heal teather.

Honestly I'm never really vulnerable with low HP in the jungle even without a Trailblazer. The main problem is that they are just killing me at full hp with almost no ability to run away.

RogueWillApr 28, 20151 votes

I didn't mean low hp. I meant it like staying on the same camp for long time. Fiddlestick isn't an AoE clearer so he actually takes his sweet time to clear all the camps. Most of the times people counterjungle when they know where the enemy jungle is most of the times. Hence you want to clear the camps as son as poosible and start on teh run, roaming constantly. Trabatlizer adds a nice AoE damage. Sure Chilling or Stalker would work better on ganks but you said your problem was getting counterjungled.

9baksQuJhbApr 27, 20153 votes

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if you are a begining with Fiddlesticks I would recommend trabalizer instead of stalker...

You know he heals himself, right?

RogueWillApr 28, 20152 votes

you know he has a poor clearing time, right?

9baksQuJhbApr 29, 20151 votes

When his heal is on cd sure, but at rank 3 it has almost 100% uptime and it's what your should always max first as jungle fiddles. Even early on his clear is just fine.

Lights And MagicApr 27, 20151 votes

IMO one of the biggest things for fiddlesticks is knowing when to ult and then full combo to secure kills and when to ult and instantly zhonyas. Sometimes if you're just catching one or two people, especially ones with no hard cc, you can ult in (ALWAYS FROM A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T INTERRUPT YOUR CHANNEL), fear, crow, and drain. You can easily get a kill that way, especially if the champion is squishy. If you ult+zhonyas, you need your team to follow up otherwise people can just walk out of your ult. I don't consider myself THE BEST fiddlesticks player, but personally, I wait until a main engage is made and the enemy team bunches together onto the tank or whatever.

The thing about the Diana is really unfortunate, though. That's not really something that happens all the time though, and your team really should've helped you. Just make sure you're noticing when Diana is and isn't in lane. If she's not visible in any lane, he's most likely taking a buff/objective or looking for you.

Fiddlesticks is a very very immobile champion, but he really excels in his dueling. If you ever find yourself caught out by one champion and they don't have much hard cc (which you should bait out before starting your w or ult channel), just turn on them and fight. A lot of the time, you'll either kill them or do tons of damage because they're just sitting in your drain.

I do agree that he's not the best right now because of the tank meta, but it's solo queue so you don't HAVE to play a tank jungler if you don't want to.

freeformlineApr 27, 20151 votes

I don't play Fiddle, so I won't even attempt to guide you on how to use him, but keep in mind that his kit doesn't fit the style you are playing right now. If you are still struggling with him after a bit more play, try putting him on the backburner for a while, learn a few other champs, then try him again. He is definitely worth learning, but sometimes the best way to learn a champ is just to wait and try again later when your game knowledge and skill have changed.

mikemcpartyApr 29, 20151 votes

I've played fiddle support here and there and found some success. I usually build frost queens and ss and then move from there to full ap (if I can get a jg to build some other tanky supp items). Overall, fiddle is in a tough area right now. I wouldn't play him jg for sure and I wouldn't play him solo lane because he would get nuked or ganked to oblivion.

TeemoJenkinsApr 29, 20151 votes

Middlesticks and Jungle both require a coordinated team. You're still an AP Carry, you're still squishy in team fights. I absolutely still think he's a great champ and he's a clutch counter pick to enter melee engage mids; Kat / Talon / LB / Yasuo. If you can time your fear, the moment they close distance, Fear, drain, silence, rinse repeat, dead.

In the Jungle I don't enter at river for any lane, sneak your approach, if you just straight walk in with a non-gap closing JG expect the flash and they will be gone. Need to change up your tactic.