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Is Vi even good anymore in Ranked, what with the Tank Meta?

Howldoom··2 votes·2,420 views

Halfway thru Bronze 4 again. Still not getting to Gold.

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52847732_DEL3 votes

I use to always go full AD Garen and top lane TF in ranked in B5. Nothing really matters in Bronze unless you can't adapt to the given current situation. So yeah, Vi should be totally fine in ranked.

The Chin1 votes

If you're good with vi you can make it work, especially in bronze.

Zmuecat1 votes

You can still dive the enemy carry with a click of a button, so because a skill like that is rarely bad I'd say you need to learn when to use it now as opposed to randomly throwing it out like you could get away with before tank jungles became more favorable.

THAT'S A LONG SENTENCE.

HeartOfTheCards1 votes

But you can just counter pick Vi with mah MAIN MAN, THE TOWERING COLOSSUS OF MOXXI, THE EMPEROR OF THE FUTURE, THE ONE AND TRUE HEIR TO THE WORLD, THE SEXY SANDS OWN, MC CHICKEN WING Azir

IcyPepper1 votes

Whenever I see a Vi ult a tank for no reason or try to 100-0 it, I cry inside.

That ult... wasted. Save it for acrobatic assassins and carries :(

Howldoom1 votes

Okay, let me elaborate - first I was placed at the bottom of Bronze 5. THEN I carried my way, mostly with Vi, into the top of Bronze 3. Now I've been having loss after loss after LOSS. Something needs to give, and I want answers, or something I can do that gets me riding a winning streak again, on champions that I currently like playing. No garbage answers like "You lost as Janna because you're playing her at Bronze 3/4".

Want more? Look at LoLKing, op.gg, Match History, any of those websites that judge my worth/skill as a player; spell out for me in terms I haven't already thought of for myself in which areas I appear to be lacking, or whatever is holding me back from improving. Want to rage at me that I should not try ranked at all? Go ahead, but that'll probably start me saying things that will get me the 14-day ban, and that's coming from someone who mutes everyone to wall off any incoming toxicity in addition to keeping whatever rage I may feel out of the game itself.

ChaoticPinecone1 votes

short answer: play what you want.

longer answer: vi still has her place in the jungle. she has gank pressure pre-6 with both CC and insane damage, can 1v1 many of the tanks for easy invades, and has point and click CC at 6. she doesnt scale as hard as sejuani, nautilus, or ammumu, but that only matters if you let them scale. let me give you an example - my last ranked match (gold) had a wukong jungle on my side vs an amumu. it did help that the adc and me, as support, were winning our lane, but our top lane was losing. wukong ganked mid pre-6 and got a flash. our mid vlad got a kill of that. bot lane got a kill without his help - as soon as the enemy respawned and got to lane (seriously - they were in lane for 30 seconds), he ganked and got a kill. when they got back, 30 seconds later he ganked again and got another kill. he ganked so often and sent them back so many times that they couldnt even get enough time to put wards down. enemy toplane jax tried to roam to stop the snowball - we killed him, and our shyvana got top tower and farmed back into the game with our 4 turret lead (still died to a 1v1 vs jax a couple minutes later, but for the next 10 minutes shyvana just pushed while jax roamed, got another tower, and then beat him with an item lead). wukong was able to influence mid into a winning lane before amumu finished both his buffs and turned a snowballing lane into absolute massacre.

of course, we did play to our strengths and made few mistakes. we didnt attempt any 5v5 fights, where they were stronger. there were only 2 dragons in a 25 minute game, since we only took them after 2+ kills. we didnt waste any time with baron, potentially giving them a steal. it was nonstop taking towers - we ended getting all 3 inhibs and the nexus at 26 minutes.

the problem might be playstyle. tanks are popular now since they scale so hard. if you play vi and just farm until 6, then why not play a tankier jungler who has more CC? if you can capitalize on vi's strengths pre-6 (with a little luck with at least 1 winning lane and 1 even lane) she is still a strong pick. in most of my games, she is still banned, and for good reason.

LatetotheRace1 votes

Vi is a frequent player in ranked, from Bronze 5 till about gold 5. Then the skill curve pushes her out, to be replaced by more difficult junglers.

BluePolarizer1 votes

i don't think high elo is defined by "harder champs". LCS plays Maokai top, so...

IcyPepper1 votes

Just because she isn't number one doesn't mean she's not good. Keep in mind that she was one of the top tier junglers, and the tank meta only brought more champions to her level. That's not a bad thing in the slightest.

Besides, her W shreds armor and boosts her attack speed. You can change her build up a little, maybe something like item 3142 item 3153 item 3071 (but not all three at once). As a bruiser, Vi is better taking out assassins and carries than tanks, but that doesn't stop her from dueling tanks. But choose your fights, you can't win every single one.

Is Vi powerful? Yes. Is she the only one that's powerful right now? No. Consider it like the battlefield is leveled, and now every game is a challenge rather than a pubstomp. It's more fun that way.

YOUGOTKILLEDBRO1 votes

She is probably in the top 10 junglers, you can play her in most elos, she is one of the only fighter jgs to still be viable.

Hard4Hamsters1 votes

Vi is actually one of the better fighter junglers against tanks. Her denting blows let's her go toe to toe with most tanks and she has way more early game pressure and pick potential. She can make a big impact in teamfights in picking off a target. She should never ult the tank in a teamfight. Consider helping your ADC take out the tank early in the fight with your denting blows to lower the tank's armor while also dealing good damage due to it being % max health damage. Then turn your attention to the enemy carry, you can ult them fairly easily if they are just a little out of position. Your Q can help make up any distance, by hitting enemies in the back of the enemy team, your Ult effectively becomes an AOE nuke by hitting all other enemies in a line on your way to the backline.

Good luck.

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