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Need help getting out of bronze

PrimeWraith··2 votes·1,279 views

I feel like I don't deserve bronze, I lose my lane 1 in 5-6 games average. when I win my lane, I go help other lanes but they fed them too much and I end up dying. how would you deal with this situation? another thing, its almost impossible to get my teams to push other lanes. I say things like "just push top/bot lane and pretend its mid since there's a minion wave there" (sometimes flaming it). but they don't listen to me. please help me!

ingame name: PrimeWraith (for viewing match history only) (if you think I fed on one, please click on it and compare me to my team mates)

Overall, ty for your help

22 Comments

3ofGot40ve3 votes

Wards. Cs. done.

PrimeWraith2 votes

bronze isn't that easy

3ofGot40ve3 votes

honestly.. it really is. those 2 things lead to more objectives and kills. Some people seem to forget that you cant just 'get out of bronze' you actually have to have a decent skill level to do it.. Your rank = your skill

Lyless1 votes

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honestly.. it really is. those 2 things lead to more objectives and kills. Some people seem to forget that you cant just 'get out of bronze' you actually have to have a decent skill level to do it.. Your rank = your skill

hmmmmmm.... nope.

FHMarshy2 votes

hmmmm ya it is

3ofGot40ve1 votes

I JUST LOVE how you think that climbing ranks doesnt take skill.. That is what you are saying to me.. That it doesnt take skill to get out of bronze. If this was tje case 50% of the league population wouldnt be in bronze.

HEAljvLykd4 votes

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hmmmmmm.... nope.

54 mmr

Lyless1 votes

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54 mmr

doesn't matter what you say.

thebigjames1 votes

Do you have a preferred role to play? Perhaps playing a specific role can help you improve because it let's you focus and avoid the jack-of-all-trades playstyle. From your last few games I can see you like Riven, Veiger and Shaco. From my experience if the game starts to go south Veiger and Shaco aren't the best champs to play. Also from my experience bronze games tend to drag on to the late game most times because players there don't know to close games. The whole laning phase turning into aram phase thing. I recommend champs that snowball hard or have really strong late games so that you can either destroy the enemy early and demoralize them or get strong later and dominate teamfights yourself.

Your recent games where you had lots of deaths were some rough match ups for your champ if you ever had to "force" anything. So don't beat yourself up. Teammates from my experience will follow you if you get ahead. People trust winners. So if you hold your own, ping intentions and communicate they will generally do what you want. If they don't do what you want then let them be stupid and clean up the enemy after your team gets caught.

PrimeWraith1 votes

I usually do top/mid/jungle. and what are some champs that dominate late games? and is it good to split push when everyone is doing aram sort of thing? I used to split push to inner turret but then team flames at me saying to come to fight.

thebigjames1 votes

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I usually do top/mid/jungle. and what are some champs that dominate late games? and is it good to split push when everyone is doing aram sort of thing? I used to split push to inner turret but then team flames at me saying to come to fight.

Considering the meta we're all in since juggernauts are so strong at the moment. I hate to give the advice to play the op things but they wouldn't be banned so much if they weren't winning games... Your Riven is a good choice if you can figure out the her mechanics. Though I would change my summoner spells to ignite/flash. Teleport kind of sucks in lower elo because teams won't give you good wards to teleport to. So swap it for ignite and try to win your lane because ignite brings more threat in lane. Other late game tops are Ryze, Irelia, Vlad. I don't expect bronze players to be able to punish Vlad or Ryze's bad early game. These can swing teamfights later on by themselves.

Split pushing is up to whether or not you can get away with it. In bronze if everyone arams then yes just split push as long as your team has waveclear. If they team arams and they want you there then you should join them if you really believe there will be a fight where your presence swings the balance. Otherwise its not worth your time. Additionally, if you get to inner turret you need wards. It's not safe to be there far up without them.

For jungle, I'd just play Master Yi due to his snowballing and ability to take objectives. Rengar when played right is a monster too. Just tricky to pull off.

For mid, make sure you can waveclear and bring damage. Hard for me to make a suggestion for mid since I find most of the best mages and assassins take a lot of skill to pull off: a la Viktor and Azir. Perhaps Ahri if you go mid since you like the mobility of a champion like Riven.

By the way. I checked out your runes, sorry for the snooping. I might suggest focusing your pages to fit the champion you are playing. If your runes are all over the place against an opponent with a focused rune page then you're playing at a disadvantage from the start. Don't worry about the flame. People flame at all elos. Good players just accept what's going on and play the game out as needed. Bad players whine.

Sona Ping1 votes

but they wouldn't be banned so much if they weren't winning games...

Ezreal mid got banned a ton and he wasn't winning games. Just saying...

thebigjames1 votes

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Ezreal mid got banned a ton and he wasn't winning games. Just saying...

Touche. But generally speaking we all ban champs for what reason outside of ranked team games? I was only giving general advice.

OhBoyItsaMegaman1 votes

When it comes to Bronze V, it's difficult to know exactly what's going wrong. There are bound to be a wide variety of things that people are doing wrong in Bronze V. Some people start the game without buying any consumables. Some people never buy boots. Some people completely wasted Flash, or don't take Flash. Some people go all-in all the time without any regard for whether they can win the fight.

Some of these things can be seen in match history/op.gg but there are a lot of things that are hard to pin down if we can't actually see you play. This is where recording yourself playing or posting a replay can help a lot. Other than that, there's always the generic advice: ward, play safe, be nice, and cs. Especially cs. If you can cs perfectly, you can get to Silver no matter what else you're doing wrong.

Nurse Violet1 votes

You seem to be making a lot of excuses for yourself. First of all, you should ideally never be losing lane, even in only 1 out of 5 or 6. Second, if you die it is your fault, regardless of the scores of your teammates. If you find yourself dying a lot (in most of your games you have 5+ deaths) then you should identify what is causing those deaths and either just play safer or focus on making better decisions in those scenarios so that you come out alive.

If you would like some hands-on practice, feel free to add me in-game. I love to do coaching and help other players.

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

don't be afraid of being called a kser just secure those kills

PrimeWraith1 votes

i normally let my team mates get the kills since I can handle surviving when im not fed. should I not let them get kills anymore?

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

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i normally let my team mates get the kills since I can handle surviving when im not fed. should I not let them get kills anymore?

if you don't know them, don't. don't put too much trust into strangers in soloQ. if they are your friends and you know theyre good then let them.

Baunjo1 votes

Its kinda the same reason I take the kill in a gank in solo que ( as a jungle main ) because I know full well I can do more with the gold. Most bad players do not play any differently than they would with the gold, so really it is just a waste of your time.

Baunjo1 votes

ks stands for kill secured, dontcha know?

Randomonium1 votes

Looking at your match history I'd say you can improve in a few areas:

CS: Your CS per minute numbers are really inconsistent. Typically they are around 3-4 which is quite poor for Top/Mid/ADC. Focus on getting your CS per minute above 7, especially in the first 10 minutes of the game.

Warding: At most you buy 1 pink ward a game. Usually you don't buy any wards. Compare that to higher level players who buy multiple wards per game.

Trinket: In not a single ranked game did you upgrade your trinket. For 250 gold there's no excuse not to upgrade your trinket. Not only does it give you an extra ward but it makes your wards last a minute longer.

I record all my games and I'm always looking for people to play with. Add me and we can play some norms. I'll review our games and see if I can find any other ways you can improve. If we make a good duo maybe we can help each other climb in ranked.

Sgt Wahrr1 votes

Prime, add me. Iv helped 3 ppl in the last week get to s5. I'm in b4 atm cause I can't seem to help myself out but I'm more then willing to get you there if you can trust me. Brother and I hav our own ts3 server so we can communicate as well

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