Full AP Zyra Viable?

Death Knight 777·Oct 10, 2014·1 votes·1,666 views

I'm not saying she isn't and trust me I have done my fair share of research on this before bringing it to the boards but I just wanted maybe some stats or proof that could be an AP carry, yes i have seen people like Solwolf I believe or Faker do it but I guess I just need more convincing be sure to discuss in the comments i'm really curious to see what you guys think possibly bring facts supporting she is AND isn't because all positives won't help much.Thanks, see ya on The Rift Summoners!

10 Comments

DirewolfiezOct 10, 20141 votes

AP Zyra got a nerf, if I remember correctly, because she was made as an APC but was mostly being used as a support, which made her ratios broken. She's not the best APC right now, no, but yes, she can be played that way.

manbearswineOct 11, 20141 votes

you can also play glass canon ap garen mid,and in fact,you can even win with it.

hell you know what,the most idiotic thing i remember carrying a game was a hybrid jarvan mid,his build was mobo boots,sword of the occult,mejais,hydra,zhonyas and another item i can't remember,so does that build makes sense now?

zyra as a mid laner is very easily hard countered,and does rather poorly(compared to other picks) even when not countered,i'd even say she's a better jungler than a mid laner.

go ahead,downvote me for being realistic and going against the moronic "hurr durr just because it's terrible doesn't mean it's bad,everything can work" approach.

KryptichOct 10, 20141 votes

Shes still my favorite AP carry even with the nerfs. Her laning phase is pretty safe, and her AOE damage output is tops in the game. Plus you get the utility of a knock-up, a root, and plants that slow. If your mid opponent wanders, she is great at shoving the lane quickly to their tower.

Even in a 1v1 you'll find that if you unload your full combo (including ult) you can surprise a lot of people.

I find nowadays the trick is to focus more on CD reduction and magic pen, not pure AP. Max Q and W first.

Mask is crucial, as is Void staff.

Death Knight 777Oct 10, 20141 votes

Shes still my favorite AP carry even with the nerfs. Her laning phase is pretty safe, and her AOE damage output is tops in the game. Plus you get the utility of a knock-up, a root, and plants that slow. If your mid opponent wanders, she is great at shoving the lane quickly to their tower.

Even in a 1v1 you'll find that if you unload your full combo (including ult) you can surprise a lot of people.

I find nowadays the trick is to focus more on CD reduction and magic pen, not pure AP. Max Q and W first.

Mask is crucial, as is Void staff.

Sorry this is kind of odd for a stranger to do this but when I get my client working 33% -.- wanna try it, I really wan't to see it in game for myself

DirewolfiezOct 10, 20141 votes

Even in a 1v1 you'll find that if you unload your full combo (including ult) you can surprise a lot of people.

I can vouch for that statement. Her ult is really damn annoying in the middle of teamfights, and, at the very least, it will burn a lot of enemy Flashes.

Death Knight 777Oct 10, 20141 votes

Thanks guys I really appreciate it but another question i'm getting as I do research and watch videos is that it seems people perceive her as a good mid and AP yet the people who play her like this that i have seen are insanely good at LOL so i'm not questioning anyone's skill but is it general easy to get damage and burst do like in the videos or does it take time to master because i'm not worried about skill shots because i'm really good at landing them it's just i'm curious about if the combo is landed can one truly achieve damage like that without being diamond tier or even challenger?

MrSc0ttyOct 10, 20141 votes

Thanks guys I really appreciate it but another question i'm getting as I do research and watch videos is that it seems people perceive her as a good mid and AP yet the people who play her like this that i have seen are insanely good at LOL so i'm not questioning anyone's skill but is it general easy to get damage and burst do like in the videos or does it take time to master because i'm not worried about skill shots because i'm really good at landing them it's just i'm curious about if the combo is landed can one truly achieve damage like that without being diamond tier or even challenger?

The only real trick is setting up seeds AS you cast your abilities rather than before. You have to significantly reduce the amount of time your opponent has to react to you to drop serious DPS.

Bake A LegOct 11, 20141 votes

She is a great ap carry, even got into a 2v1 bot lane (jinx Morgana) cause my carry was afk... I won lane, it was hard, but after level 5 I could all in with my extreme burst. All you gotta do is e then drop a seed in the path, then q and drop your other seed. IT IS CRUCIAL THAT YOU GET 1 E PLANT AND 1 Q PLANT the e plant slows while the q hits farther away, and then make sure if you ult you catch them and your plants.

ChimeiTekinaNasuOct 11, 20141 votes

What?? She was always a great mid laner to begin with. You mentioned seeing only "pros" do it. To match any Zyra's damage, just have an AP rune page, 21 points in offense, Haunting Guise early, and voila. You then do the exact same damage they do. You don't need to be pro to match anyone's damage on a champion. She's a mid laner first, support second. People only started taking her and Morgana as support after watching pros do it, copying them. Zyra and Morgana were always originally mid laners. One of my friends still does Zyra mid lane and does fine.

P.S. A little help for you. I notice you have an "AP Katarina" mastery page. Katarina is only built as AP. You only need 21 points in offense for her and you don't need the Meditation mastery in the Utility tree (which gives mana, which she does not have).

Death Knight 777Oct 11, 20141 votes

Thanks guys really appreciate the tips i'm gonna give it a go here real soon!