Can someone explain why level 3 Liss is legit worse than any level 2 anything?

Porglit·Jul 15, 2019·2 votes·1,176 views

Title. Her LEVEL 3 ult does... 250 damage??? For 150 mana??? She has health comparable to any level 2 champ, lowest DPS in the game...

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

14 Comments

JamareeJul 15, 20192 votes

Probably because glacial, though she is really fucking bad, as are most glacial units, the only one worth anything on their own is Sej but because of the powerful potential power of glacial, most of the units suck if I had to take a guess

ChaosReynJul 16, 20191 votes

Don't underestimate Dat Ashe, and definitely don't underestimate the Demon Bear. Voli takes a lot of support to hard carry, but even on his own, he's pretty dangerous if he pops his AoE. Plus Brawler bonus is pretty easy to come by, and naturally enables him to reach his AoE before dying.

Ashe really only needs Shojin to stun someone every 3s for like 12s.

But yes, because of the power of both permastun from glacial, AND from the golem from elementalist, they don't give liss any power on her own.

JamareeJul 16, 20191 votes

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Don't underestimate Dat Ashe, and definitely don't underestimate the Demon Bear. Voli takes a lot of support to hard carry, but even on his own, he's pretty dangerous if he pops his AoE. Plus Brawler bonus is pretty easy to come by, and naturally enables him to reach his AoE before dying.

Ashe really only needs Shojin to stun someone every 3s for like 12s.

Oh of course I think Ashe is the second most powerful adc with items, the problem is because of her rarity you can’t start speaking into glacial and without items she will likely only get a single arrow out.

Volibear has the same problem, needs items to really do anything as his base AS is so slow, I feel like unless he is lvl 2 AND has brawler, without items, he will be dead before he even ultis and the fact his ulti has a delay doesn’t help either.

iainB85Jul 16, 20192 votes

More than that, the hard coded rule that she ults herself at a certain HP instead of an enemy is just bad.

iainB85Jul 16, 20191 votes

Haha, anecdotal -- I legit just played a game where I was stuck with a level 1 liss and I just stuck her in the corner to prevent the elemenatlist buff from spawning there and doing nothing, even though she couldn't even attack for the most of the rounds. Still worth and won!

PikemanDimJul 15, 20191 votes

I would guess she's meant to be more of a "wall" when running Elementallist/Sorcerer. She might not do alot of damage but she can CC one enemy or become Immune and be a obstacle for a bit while your back line charges ults.

Panthaz89Jul 15, 20191 votes

At least she brings considerable CC and will probably ult before she dies unlike Fiora and she can also ult herself which makes the other team waste a lot of attacks and prevents them from gaining mana.

hoganftwJul 16, 20191 votes

Really good synergy

PorglitJul 16, 20191 votes

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Really good synergy

I understand synergies are really important, but a LEVEL 3 getting slaughtered by any level 2 TIER 1 champ is absurd.

ChaosReynJul 16, 20191 votes

-hashtag- Nerf Nidalee. xD

PhearBunnyJul 16, 20191 votes

most of her power budget is the fact that she fits into a small easy 3/3 composition, and one of the strongest, 6/6 Glacial compositions.

ChaosReynJul 16, 20191 votes

Not to mention, that golem is fucking 3 champions on its own. >.>

When comparing Elementalist to all the other easy-to-obtain full comps (Pirates, Void, and Guardian) it's no contest that Daisy is fucking outrageous.