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NERF GLACIALS

Blessed By RNG··26 votes·10,079 views

FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING HOLY, NERF GLACIALS ALREADY!!!!

ITS SO FUN PLAYING AGAINST SOMEONE WITH GLACIALS WHO STUNS ALL YOUR CHAMPS FOR AGES AND YOU CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!!

NERF. GLACIAL. CHAMPS.

42 Comments

Z3SIeeper8 votes

Nononono. Don't nerf Glacial champs, nerf Glacial synergy (rework it actually).

The champs themselves are fine and some are even arguably grossly underpowered Lissandra Volibear (Voli w/out Glacial is ass).

They need to rework how Glacial works (not just nerf it) then make Lissandra and Volibear viable outside Glacial comps.

Eldeazar3 votes

Lissandra is valuable and often essential to ALL elementalists builds until you get anivia. Voli gains health if he has an extra brawler buddy (often Warwick or Cho) and if itemized he is a viable tank hyper carry (there are youtube videos...)

Z3SIeeper11 votes

Please link me a youtube video of Volibear w/out Glacial carrying.

And no, Lissandra is not "essential" to all elementalist builds. She's literally a token unit, that's it. She's not useful. You even said it yourself, you replace her with Anivia later because Anivia is actually useful and doesn't have absolute garbage tier scaling.

That's like saying Fiora is essential to all Noble and Blademaster builds.

General Esdeath 1 votes

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Please link me a youtube video of Volibear w/out Glacial carrying.

And no, Lissandra is not "essential" to all elementalist builds. She's literally a token unit, that's it. She's not useful. You even said it yourself, you replace her with Anivia later because Anivia is actually useful and doesn't have absolute garbage tier scaling.

That's like saying Fiora is essential to all Noble and Blademaster builds.

To be fair, a 5 cost unit SHOULD outscale a 2 cost unit

Eldeazar1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wPFeOSGJOk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXhOCR8ZGzE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q42zvxfFwbk

In some of these they eventually stack 2 glacials but that was not their focus Anivia it's a tier 5, it should be better than liss...what I mean by essential is that without her you do not have the golem and I have seen so many builds with a powerful liss in the mid game.

Z3SIeeper2 votes

Game 1: He lost for a reason Game 2: Akali did literally everything Bear just existed Game 3: Glacial as hell

hrooza dota 1 votes

ya no dont defend all the champs

Sejuani Ashe deserve a nerf more then the synergy by miles

Z3SIeeper3 votes

Tell me a time where you've ever been stomped by an Ashe without Glacial.

Exactly. She's fine, Glacial isn't. And Sej takes a ton of mana to use her ability and thus typically only does it 1 time per fight and requires investment into T2 Sej (sometimes even with more defense to survive long enough).

hrooza dota 2 votes

ashe is the only one who proc glacial effectivly which make the synergy broken without the need of 4 or 6 glacial buffs

and sej is pretty much in every good comp unless they run cho/gnar [in fact they tend to run 2 of the 3] or if they have the about to be fixed pyke spears stacking, sej only need 1 cast of her ulti anyway because it fucking freeze the whole team 90% of the time.

i rarely if ever see 4+ glac comps and when i do i either have to kill the ashe early or stop sej ulti somehow to win,

if you nerf the synergy all you do is just harm the 4 victims Volibear Anivia Lissandra Braum while ashe/sej will stay top tier because ashe massive attack speed boost from ranger will hard proc glac even at 5% and sej ulti is broken no matter what comp you run.

i can completely be fine with ashe if sej get hit as that might leave ashe in balanced place.

Z3SIeeper1 votes

R E W O R K Glacial. Not nerf.

Buff weak Glacials, rework Glacial.

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Exactly. She's fine, Glacial isn't.


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Nononono. Don't nerf Glacial champs, nerf Glacial synergy (rework it actually).

The champs themselves are fine and some are even arguably grossly underpowered Lissandra Volibear (Voli w/out Glacial is ass).

They need to rework how Glacial works (not just nerf it) then make Lissandra and Volibear viable outside Glacial comps.

Pls read previous comments 1st.

hrooza dota 1 votes

rework it into what then?

also sej will stay broken no matter what

JavelinJoe1 votes

Ranger comp

PhearBunny7 votes

And Yordles. Atleast with glacials i rarely have to worry about 3 or more Rank3 champs beating my face in. With Yordles its like, here have fun with this super mega evasion comp that has 5 Rank3 champs. Good luck. Lulu is fair.

Blessed By RNG5 votes

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And Yordles. Atleast with glacials i rarely have to worry about 3 or more Rank3 champs beating my face in. With Yordles its like, here have fun with this super mega evasion comp that has 5 Rank3 champs. Good luck. Lulu is fair.

They really need to nerf Lulu and Ashe, they are one of the most used and strongest champs in the game and they are pretty easy to get, its just frustrating to play against an ashe with a rageblade that stuns you with her glacial passive and her ult which she can use all the time, and lulus fucking ult

Trias0004 votes

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And Yordles. Atleast with glacials i rarely have to worry about 3 or more Rank3 champs beating my face in. With Yordles its like, here have fun with this super mega evasion comp that has 5 Rank3 champs. Good luck. Lulu is fair.

At least Yordles are countered by item 3094. But is there anything that counters glacials? Maybe they should add item 3139.

TrenixPL4 votes

Abilities counter yordles. I would still say that they're still underperforming. Had a 6 stack with their passive and still lost at end due to abilities. Lets not forget that near the end everyone is getting legendaries and rare champions that AOE stun and DPS via abilities.

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

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And Yordles. Atleast with glacials i rarely have to worry about 3 or more Rank3 champs beating my face in. With Yordles its like, here have fun with this super mega evasion comp that has 5 Rank3 champs. Good luck. Lulu is fair.

shen is worse he gets and allies around him practically 100% dodge

Trias0005 votes

I just totally half-assed a game. I rushed glacials, which isn't a great idea. I was afk for like 5 minutes. I didn't even notice my Sejuani was level 1, when I had level 2 on the bench. I didn't notice a champ with frozen mallet in the carousel. And I still finished 3rd, barely losing two fights to the first-placed guy. Glacials are clearly op.

PhearBunny3 votes

Voli and Lissandra are both compatible with other Comps.

Bruisers+Guardians for Voli. He gets atleast a 2peice Glacial out of it as well. Elementals+Whatever for Lissandra.

Ratpie3 votes

They need to just reduce how often it procs and effect sizes for SOME glacial champs:

  1. Reduce overall proc capabilities for Ashe (don't let hurricane proc or reduce its chances)

  2. Reduce the size of Sej ult AOE. Almost a whole map freeze that lasts way too long.

  3. Fix whatever bug it is when a champ gets frozen for over 5 seconds from 1 shot. I have had it multiple times. If it is intentional, then it is absolute nuts.

Eldeazar2 votes

Hurricane shots do NOT make procs happen. Sej has a fat mana bar, zephyr counters her, demons counter her, killing her quickly counters her. You have been frozen for a long time probably due to the way Ashe's ult works, the longer the distance traveled, the longer the stun.

Bregan1 votes

spreading the fuck out also helps counter sej. and counter most of the glacial team.

Panthaz891 votes

3 is because Ashe arrow has 1 extra second of stun time per hex it crosses......lol it feels like an eternity at max range yet Leonas ability hardly feels like it does that much cc time.

radetari2 votes

nobles too

TakaDama2 votes

Yordles are indeed annoying, but they at least can be addressed currently with rapid fire cannon (prevents attacks from being dodged) and would only need their numbers tweaked along with item drops having a more even chance or occuring.

Same can be said of Pyke and Lulu spell spam and how Demon teams and Kassadin can counter them somewhat.

Glacial however just seems poorly thought out and never feels fair. Three Glacial Champs have stuns as spells (Ashe, Lissandra, and Sejuani), so giving them the equivalent of Udyr E without any timing restriction is just asking for stun lock shenanigans.

Given the prevalence of guinsoos in this mode, I would actually suggest allowing glacial comps to lower or even reset attack speed would be better.

Thilmer1 votes

The thing with glacials is that they are so common that getting 2 or even 4 of them is ridiculously easy.

Meanwhile, other team compositions require 2 super rare champions…

Remni Strath1 votes

The best rework I can think of for Glacials would be AS slow. Basically a Frozen Heart like ability. Say for every 2/4/6 Glacials, attacks will slow enemies attack speed by 10/15/20% for 2 seconds, non stacking of course.

Bregan1 votes

try spreading out.

Panthaz891 votes

Ashe becomes a god of stun if you spread out and Sej becomes the god of stun when you are packed there isn't really a great answer for it except to immediately kill them before they can get going or have a Sol/MF to ult in the corner against them or one case I had Swain in immediate frontline to ult with Morello's and hopefully not get frozen before he casts it.

Bregan1 votes

spreading out doesnt really change ashe. if you're all in one corner, or spread across different corners, its not really different. she's picking one person. yes the distance increases the stun, but thats not changing you put everyone together or not. its doesnt really make her do anything different. it DOES help against sej, AND voli, AND lissandra though.

Panthaz891 votes

actually it does make a major difference against Ashe because she always aims for the farthest target and it can be blocked if units are standing in the way which happens naturally when clumped and one guy moving away when spread apart guarantees that Ashe arrow stuns for like 10 seconds on someone that's in the back which is normally the important dps/ability.

Bregan1 votes

i dont think its 10 seconds and you're blowing it way out of proportion. additionally, you should have a front line of some kind, and that will highly likely intercept the shot (if it even works that way. news to me that it does.) and regardless, the benefits to your team's survival greatly outweigh the negatives in regards to ashe.

DirtyDocking1 votes

They should just make an item that makes you stun immune

PhDs Nuts1 votes

My favorite thing in the world is going against a Yordle team when I have a pair of 2-star Varus on the field. Hilarious.

Glory971 votes

To be honest I think glacial is fine. Yes they are very strong and annoying to play against in lategame, but considering that it's really hard to get a glacial comp started, as they have 0 one-cost units and the 2 2-cost units are quite terrible (lissandra/braum) Also the glacial synergy has rather weak early game effect when compared how insanely hard wild or noble buff can carry you early.

I've played a lot of glacial and I think they are fine.

peacepagoda1 votes

Glacial is so unfun to play against, I've suggested instead of a 2 second stun, put on a 30-50% slow of attack and move speed.

Zaloog1 votes

Please get rework glacials the stupid stun feels horrible to play against. I got knocked out into 5th place because my front line was quite literally frozen in place the entire time until they died. At the least make more of them level 4 (Ashe for example). Fighting against 4 or more glacials especially when you can turn another ranger besides Ashe into a glacial is such a terrible experience and I can see ruining ranked.

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

there should be a bonus giving immunity against status effects. time for a new class maybe?

Dragons2layer1 votes

they need to rework how glacials work because i would like to play the game but none of my champs can play the game because their frozen all the time :)

Statchecky1 votes

Here's an idea, replace glacial stun with slow, maybe both movement and atk spd slow. It can scale from 15% per 2 glacials up to 45%.

Modl Ryden l1 votes

Should have a per unit on-effect cooldown.

Like if the glacial effect has been proc'd on an enemy unit, that enemy unit can't receive the effect again for 5 / 4 / 3 seconds or something like that.

It's so dumb losing the usual 45% stun rate and having been stunned out of a chance to fight back for the last 20 seconds of the round.

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