Can we nerf Pyke already?

Blessed By RNG·8/2/2019, 1:12:57 PM·158 votes·22,363 views

Pyke's been the most banned champion for like 3 patches. And according to OP.GG he has a 61.81% banrate, 51% winrate and a 17% pickrate in Platinum+ and higher elo His escape and mobility is too freaking much and his damage is insane, his lane sustain is also bonkers so you can never poke him out of lane, you cant catch him cus his W and E are so broken, and you can almost never escape him.

And the double gold thing on his ult should be reverted / removed.

Please Riot nerf Pyke already...

140 Comments

MiracleMorg948/2/2019, 1:15:56 PM67 votes

Or better yet, delete that stupid champ from the game.

DuskDaUmbreon8/2/2019, 1:14:43 PM45 votes

Holy shit a post that actually lists stats when calling a champion OP.

Sure, it's not the best post, but holy shit a post that actually has facts in it!

Upvoted for that alone.

Baby Ghoul8/2/2019, 1:40:52 PM34 votes

Almost nobody likes playing against Pyke, which is saying A LOT considering the overloaded kits floating around out there, so naturally they gave him a buff.

Even the most delusional Pyke mains I've read on here weren't asking for such a thing, so it really makes you wonder what is going on in the minds of Riot's balance team.

It's not like this data is super surprising either. We're all very vocal about how much we hate Pyke...and they buff him.

[sg-lulu]

GigglesO8/2/2019, 3:30:08 PM22 votes

But our usless ass guidelines say he has to be at a 70% banrate or 54% winrate to nerf him. We better buff him some more.

en2que8/2/2019, 3:23:18 PM20 votes

Pyke doesn't need a nerf.

He needs a gameplay update like xin zhao's.

He just can't be balanced with his ult unless it's on 7-8 min CD.

letsfeedtogether8/2/2019, 1:57:08 PM19 votes

No. they need him for the LC$

Dezyreee8/2/2019, 3:45:10 PM13 votes

Im hearing a call for a Nerf to Ryze, gotcha.

Hayaishi28/2/2019, 8:33:34 PM12 votes

Gut him into the ground. Im tired of Riot's BS champions.

Hammermancer8/2/2019, 4:10:44 PM12 votes

Sounds like he needs the good ol' -5 movespeed that killed irelia, and maybe that -3 ad that killed graves

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Sir Saltarin8/2/2019, 2:56:38 PM12 votes

Holy shit a thread on the Gameplay Boards I can upvote ?

Take it kind sir

NOMINORN8/2/2019, 7:30:41 PM12 votes

The core issue I have with Pyke is that his animations doesn't correspond to his hitboxes, several times his Q ignored minions in front of me and pulled me, have a lot of replays showcasing this bug, already made tickets, rito's response is "working as intended".

FSRER8/2/2019, 4:10:23 PM12 votes

And while we are at it, how about we reduce the insane mobility and safety the entire assassin class has? Assassins are meant to be a high risk high reward class but in League of Legends they seem to be low risk high reward. Pyke is the best example of this but he is not the only one. Champions such as Talon, Le'blanc, Zed are also champions that have insanely high mobility and safety while also dealing insane amounts of damage early, mid and late game. I just hope Pyke has woken up players to see that the entire class is problematic and not only he.

Shieda Kayn8/2/2019, 5:14:41 PM10 votes

I'd rather they remove him entirely, insufferable to play against.

Sirsir8/2/2019, 3:24:34 PM10 votes

Give it a patch or two for his skin to sell then they'll nerf him

14daysuspensionk8/2/2019, 2:25:30 PM10 votes

Plus he's on rotation now.

Terrorist58128/2/2019, 10:35:18 PM9 votes

Pyke has the most overdone kit in the game

JoeMG8/2/2019, 5:27:21 PM9 votes

IMO he needs his base stats nerfed and his W and E cooldowns increased. Not a lot, just enough so he can't escape from EVERY SINGLE bad trade. He has too many defensive tools for the amount of damage he can do, especially considering he usually takes aftershock.

Give him those nerfs and give him back his multiple target damage on Q to compensate.

siilentdeath8/2/2019, 8:09:17 PM9 votes

pyke should be nerfed into being an actual support and not a carry. most pyke supports i get lie about wanting the support slot. they play and build like carries then wonder why the adc isnt as effective as they could be. they say its all good im a support but then they take on the carry role.... yeah so nerf pyke's damage by half or bring him in line with the damage numbers of other supports.

FURRY V28/2/2019, 1:20:25 PM9 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Shmeeve8/2/2019, 3:58:43 PM8 votes

As a new pyke main... I can easily see that he does need a nerf. The double gold thing from his ult is COMPLETELY absurd, but it makes up for his lack of waveclear... so why not give his waveclear back such as his multiple target q, and his e actually dealing damage to minions but getting rid of the twice the gold thing for getting a kill with an ult that has a reset.

Rafatinoni8/2/2019, 11:17:44 PM8 votes

A strong assassin support is the exact opposite of what this game needs right now.

DamSonWhUFndThis8/2/2019, 4:23:28 PM8 votes

Or the fact that he heals by taking damage? - Lategame when you almost kill him from full hp to minimum when in fog he heals to like 75% or mabye higher? And also can have this to fully heal him after item 3812

Thilmer8/2/2019, 10:18:51 PM7 votes

Pyke is one of those champions that simply can't be balanced by nerfing or buffing him because his kit was absurd and overpowered since the beginning.

Makes you wonder if someone actually cares about balance during champion design. For example, does Pyke ult need a reset like Darius ult on top of being an execute with aoe damage that increases the amount of gold gained for that kill? Comon sense answers "no".

Chillee8/2/2019, 4:25:20 PM7 votes

I respect that he didnt bring up the fact Pyke can give double the kill gold from his R. idk what they were thinking.

Sałem8/2/2019, 3:51:17 PM6 votes

He gots skin give them month until they nerf him, that is how riot games team works - gets skin = no changes or nerfs when skin sale is over changes and nerfs are welcome

Mr Bong Along8/3/2019, 2:30:14 AM5 votes

He forgot the magical cherry on top. "Support champion". Nerf Raka for doing too much damage since she should be focused on being helpful through assisting her team. Pyke? nA hE'S FiNe.

Slack King8/2/2019, 7:25:58 PM5 votes

THEY CANT NERF HIM his skin just dropped, they need to cash in

Z For Zingus8/2/2019, 4:24:44 PM5 votes

im a pyke main (when i play support at least) and i think he needs a nerf

MalignMetal8/2/2019, 5:07:56 PM4 votes

He just got a new skin that means at least 2 patches before any meaningful nerfs ( usually)

BeastDaArv8/2/2019, 6:09:36 PM4 votes

it’s ok everybody i thinks he got enough sales for his new skin pretty sure he’s getting nerfed next patch we’re all safe

Sky Cardis8/2/2019, 5:32:50 PM4 votes

Honestly...I be happy if they gutted his lost health regen mechanic... I hate all pull champs, I would love all that to go away except one champ be a pull champ...but that's not gonna happen soooo...

Hook and Stun combo? Annoying as hell, but it is useful as a combo, although the being slowed when hooked I would gladly see removed so you can at least have a chance to get away after being hooked. Him going invisible and gaining movement speed (which allows him to get away and proc that lost health regen)..., I don't mind if he runs off...but AGAIN that health regain makes him little risk high reward. As for his Ult...I am indifferent with the whole Gold gain from it, but it getting a reset off a kill AND able hit multiple champions is obnoxious.

If anything...ANYTHING I just want that health regen gutted hard or just removed. There is no excuse for a champion to lost a large portion of HP, just to stealth-speed out of there and gain almost all of the lost health back. Normally when a champion has taken to much damage and ran out of healing, they usually recall...this guy...can soak up all the damage then come back not three seconds later as if nothing happened. I know people will say "Oh just target the squishy ADC" yeah...that doesn't always work when he can dive stun in on someone, or hook them...and then the enemy ADC is beating their enemy down and now below 1/2 he Ults on enemy. He has what players would call an "Overloaded kit". Pyke users wouldn't be so ballsy if they knew they couldn't gain almost all that lost HP back in matter of seconds. Hell from what I seen, having a Tank Support doesn't even work well against Pyke as compared to other pull champs. Usually hooking a tank is one thing a pull champ worries about...not Pyke though.

But yeah thats how I feel about him...the biggest gripe is everything centers around him being able to heal almost everything lost so he can get away with making lots of mistakes and making high risk plays with little to no actual risk! Kench's concept on recent lost health being a shield is a better idea then just giving all that HP back.

Side Note: WHY is all champions that can go stealth/invisible getting "SPEED Increases"...The idea of those is to move around slowly to not be spotted...not somehow move around faster.

Sodeb Lacudomite8/3/2019, 8:36:54 AM3 votes

April fool champ Pyke Time to delete him now Riot, that was a good joke, but we got it now, it was fun, thanks =)

Libido8/2/2019, 7:59:07 PM3 votes

New skin and people think he would be nerfed lul

saphireflame1238/2/2019, 10:29:12 PM3 votes

Why? They gutted him already.

Even though he's still good, if they nerfed him like this then he will be useless, and as a Pyke main I don't want that to happen.

I can't even solo lane with him anymore, that's how bad they gutted him.

Jayjj8/3/2019, 7:57:48 PM3 votes

how about just dodge the hook u cant lose lane against pyke lmao as long as u can dodge its no that hard stop whining

Ionian Vulpix8/3/2019, 10:03:18 PM2 votes

Give it 3 months, that should give them enough time to sell the skin.

Teh Song8/2/2019, 4:30:44 PM2 votes

Pyke has one of the most easily dodgeable kits in the game. Q, easily dodged. E, easily dodged. R, easily dodged.

Q is as any line attack with non-instant movement speed is. E has a delay, a clear indicator, and requires himself to be in risky positioning. R is an X. It's size isn't that impressive, and it's an X. You don't even half to get out if range, just between the lines.

His ult is an execute. Especially since the new patch, it deals minimal damage. He can barely hurt you with it. Below threshold is death by execution, above threshold it just tickles you. You can heal after his animation starts and get back above threshold. It happens all the time, even just from lifesteal.

Pyke can't get more hp. Most defensive items are trash on him because without the HP they lose so much gold efficiency, and without HP gains armor/Mr is only so effective anyway. Plus the 14 to 1 hp to ad conversion is so minuscule that getting ad from hp isn't a thought people have when building him. The sustain from Pyke's W is his only real defensive option. Without it he'd be nothing; unplayable.

Pyke isn't going to get your hp low enough for execution by himself. His kit outside ult is utility; 2 CC's and his sustain, with minimal damage. His execute will kill you, sure, but only if his team did the rest of the damage first. In short, he's not really an assassin, because he can't assassinate. He's just an executor. He even has voice lines when he dies in a 1v1 to remind the player that he's not supposed to be able to 1v1. "I work better with a crew." "Needed more hands." Etc.

Pyke is hands down the most gold reliant support in the game. Without the ability to raise your hp if you need extra defense you have to be able to buy more armor/mr than other supports. Because of his lethality scaling you want to get all 3 lethality items. He doesn't have any defensive skills for use on allies so if you want/need something like that you have to get an item for it. On top of all that, picking Pyke into a team is a composition choice to have a support with less support utility as a trade off for increasing your team's gold advantage, but Pyke needs his own gold to pull that off. As a support, he's not getting much cs, so he needs his ult gold to compensate.

Now, personally, I'd prefer he had less gold gain for the team on his ult and a more effective kit, but I also want him to be more or less cemented as a support instead of being able to solo lane.

At any rate if you're having trouble against Pyke supports here's 3 tips for you:

Since he's so dodge-able, take something that can dodge easy. You could be Ezreal and just never get hit by any of Pyke's abilities, for example.

In early/laning phase, hurt his adc, not him. He can't do anything without them, and he can't defend them (in the sense of defensive things like heals and shields). If you make them back or die, you are now 2v1 and that 1 is useless while alone.

As I said before, he's no tank. He's as squishy as they come. "He has high base stats." Yea, and that's it, since he can't build any more hp and the effectiveness of building armor and MR is limited by that. Squishy AF. So once your far enough into the game that you can do more than just a little poke, just kill him. You can kill him before he can escape and heal so easily. And once he's dead, he can't ult you.