Still No Ranked Dominion!

Cerbearus·Oct 5, 2015·7 votes·779 views

8 Comments

SKOBODOOct 5, 20154 votes

"Hey dudes,

Let's chat.

First off, I want to reiterate what Ghostcrawler said. We won't be removing Dominion nor the Alternate Maps team. We've accomplished a lot this last year with both Dom and TT - They're both in a much better state of balance and overall health than they ever have been.

Secondly, I'll be frank. Dominion does not have the player base to support a ranked queue right now. It's not a matter of diluting the primary game mode or needing extra dev support, the population just isn't large enough to sustain a healthy queue. How do we know this? Well, we've actually done quite a bit of research on how many players are needed for a healthy queue. When it's not met, we see stuff like increased toxicity, higher turnover, decrease in queue size and a generally degraded play experience. Splitting the already small community into two queues would create a poor experience for both sides. Waiting 30 minutes to play with people with a 500 elo disparity is no fun for anyone.

tl;dr - Unless something changes, we won't be enabling ranked.

BUT - Let's talk about what ranked means to you guys and why you want it. Is it the end of season rewards? Is it quantifying personal skill? Is it about competition? Perhaps there's an alternative to ranked that can achieve that goal."

That's from ManWolfAxeBoss, Riot guy, a bit more than a year ago.

MinardeOct 6, 20151 votes

Let's talk about what ranked means to you guys and why you want it. Is it the end of season rewards? Is it quantifying personal skill? Is it about competition? Perhaps there's an alternative to ranked that can achieve that goal."

Has anything ever come out of those conversations? I vaguely remember revive trinkets being discussed, but none of the other feedback over the years seems to have resulted in anything.

SKOBODOOct 6, 20153 votes

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Has anything ever come out of those conversations? I vaguely remember revive trinkets being discussed, but none of the other feedback over the years seems to have resulted in anything.

Map-specific nerfs and buffs, revive trinkets, removal of the penetration aura, and itemization changes. No rewards though. I haven't heard ManWolfAxeBoss or anyone else working on Dominion for a while now, aside from the Garen and GP changes (the GP changes seem to have worked fine, the Garen buff is a bit underwhelming* for top lane and perhaps a bit too strong for bot lane).

*He's still reasonably strong, but he's going to be lacking 10-15 armor/MR, even late game, due to the lack of farming in top lane. I think pre-rework Garen was a healthier champion for Dominion than post-rework Garen, the villain thing ended up being either useless or too powerful, and the W change was for the worse for Dominion. Meh.

MinardeOct 6, 20151 votes

Ah, right. Clearly my memory's slipping.

Kholdstare13Oct 6, 20151 votes

{quoted}

"Hey dudes,

Let's chat.

First off, I want to reiterate what Ghostcrawler said. We won't be removing Dominion nor the Alternate Maps team. We've accomplished a lot this last year with both Dom and TT - They're both in a much better state of balance and overall health than they ever have been.

Secondly, I'll be frank. Dominion does not have the player base to support a ranked queue right now. It's not a matter of diluting the primary game mode or needing extra dev support, the population just isn't large enough to sustain a healthy queue. How do we know this? Well, we've actually done quite a bit of research on how many players are needed for a healthy queue. When it's not met, we see stuff like increased toxicity, higher turnover, decrease in queue size and a generally degraded play experience. Splitting the already small community into two queues would create a poor experience for both sides. Waiting 30 minutes to play with people with a 500 elo disparity is no fun for anyone.

tl;dr - Unless something changes, we won't be enabling ranked.

BUT - Let's talk about what ranked means to you guys and why you want it. Is it the end of season rewards? Is it quantifying personal skill? Is it about competition? Perhaps there's an alternative to ranked that can achieve that goal."

That's from ManWolfAxeBoss, Riot guy, a bit more than a year ago.

And then he disappeared forever and never responded to a single thread about solutions, workarounds, or compromises on that.

TerraRisingOct 5, 20151 votes

There will never be a ranked Dominion. Riot would rather have the temporary "featured game modes" than support that map with competitive play.

RoktanOct 12, 20151 votes

Dominion is a mode and map too much based on lucky positioning to have a ranked mode work and be fair. The whole thing needs to be re-tooled before that happens.