Which Champions would you like to FORBID on Ascension?

darkdill·Sep 10, 2014·1 votes·983 views

Note that I don't mean just banning them; I mean disabling them entirely.

My first pick is Teemo. Mines everywhere, and you can't get vision to counter him practically due to the "limited gold" part. Buying Oracles is shooting yourself in the foot because of how frequent dying is. Bottom line: Poor/limited counterplay.

The second is Master Yi. If he gets Ascended, he is IMPOSSIBLE to beat because of the cooldown reduction to Meditate, even if the healing is halved. Between becoming untargetable, his own CD refresh, etc., he is INVINCIBLE when Ascended, especially if he has Cleanse/QSS/Tenacity.

Third is Poppy. If she gets Ascended, she can ult someone else and kill your entire team before it times out. WOW. Permaban, please.

6 Comments

EnvyDragonSep 10, 20142 votes

Akali. Half heals don't mean a thing when you have 120% spellvamp.

Shaco for similar reasons to Teemo, though ascension ruins half his skillset hilariously.

SalganosSep 11, 20142 votes

You'd have to forbid half the roster. Too many champions are reliant on a fall-back location in order not be utterly destroyed by even a small disadvantage. Even on Dominion those champions had an option in that regard. Here, they just get murdered from behind over and over again, assuming the enemy team knows what "behind" is.

darkdillSep 11, 20141 votes

Unlike in Dominion, though, the only way you fall behind is on team score, not on your own income. You get no gold from kills or objectives, so everyone has the same total money. Therefore, there is no snowballing.

When I talk about Champions to forbid, I mean ones who have terrible counterplay in this game mode or otherwise gain so many advantages from being Ascended that they can 1v5 a team with hard CC. Teemo is an example because buying Oracle's Extracts in Ascension is a trap, and players aren't expected to want to get Sweeper-type items. There is simply no avoiding his mushrooms.

SalganosSep 11, 20142 votes

Yeah, I found out about the even gold after writing that, but ...

There are many champions that are simply much stronger than other champions, given equal gold. They are usually gated by the difficulty they would have getting that gold, but here they are completely unmitigated. Many of these are assassins. And there is nowhere to run, should one pick a highly vulnerable champion, and not have a very coordinated team.

I've had very UNcoordinated teams so far, and a very miserable experience in general. The times I didn't pick AOE CC, a burst assassin, or a truck, didn't help at all. The very high prevalence of every teamfight-snowball champion, with no ability to be shut down, has made things completely unenjoyable.

In my experience, Ascension doesn't last on most champions. They just get ganked and murdered eventually. If they don't, then the enemy team didn't have enough assassins, evidently.

DoseySep 11, 20141 votes

Note that I don't mean just banning them; I mean disabling them entirely.

i disagree with this idea conceptually and think no champion should be "FORBID"

mi ramfanSep 11, 20141 votes

The most disable worthy champions are probably Katarina, Master Yi, and Tristana. They all have resets, they all do crazy damage from mid-game on, and they all make great use of the Ascension buff.

Katarina and Yi in particular just make it impossible to ever go for the ascended buff. The threat of a Katarina E->Q->R right as you're finishing Xerath is too great for the team without her to ever attempt to kill the Ascended. Games with her involve quickly turn into just boring relic-fest.