Will we ever find out who killed the Elder?

Tuition Fee··7 votes·1,674 views

In Yasuo's lore, it states that the old guy who he had to guard was killed by someone with a wind technique. Many people speculated that it was Riven, with a few people pointing fingers at Janna. Does anyone know who killed the poor, dead, senior? Has Riot confirmed the killer?

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Stars Shaper7 votes

An extract from Jhin color text: "[...] The scale and precision of the new device made his previous work with blades seem insignificant by comparison."

And we know that jhin is able to imbue his weapons with wind-like magic so the most believable culprit is him though yasuo doens't know about him (only Shen and Zed seem to).

BanjoBear211 votes

Agreed. Especially considering Ionia's inner turmoil during the Noxian invasion, the assassination could have even been an inside job. The fact that Riven is a Noxian warrior with a wind-esque technique could have simply been a set up, since people (especially Ionians) need little reason to hate and blame Noxus for anything. And considering how Jihn's murders screwed with Shen and Zed's minds, they probably don't talk about it much. I doubt they even know that he's unleashed from the prison they assume him to be in.

GreenLore8 votes

We know that he was able to imbue his weapons with magic,but I don't think it was ever said to be wind like. Not to mention that Jhin turns his victims into "art",so the corpse would have been mutiliated if it was him.

Last but not least,his lore implies that he was already in prison by the time the noxian invasion happened(though the time frame is rather vague,so its not completely out of question)

Stars Shaper1 votes

About the windy part I took into consideration how his skills look ingame. I should read some more of his lore but I think there are some sentences hinting about him being able to use air magic in some way.

We don't know much about how the elder was found, we just know he is dead. The chances that Jhin either intentionally didn't leave his signature (making him an "artwork") to make it look like it wasn't him or that the ppl who found him hid the condition of the corpse also are possibilities.

About the timeframe he was imprisoned then there is a huge question mark because with the birth of the universe page we had some timelines to be questioned.

GreenLore5 votes

Yeah,but if he mutilated the corpse,like he always does,then it would have made it obvious that Yasuo isn't the killer(wind cuts can cut you up,not transform your body) and it would have been highly unusual for Jhin not to do it, as he wants to turn every kill into a master piece.

And Jhin came out in the same year as the universe page,so I think they already considered the timeline when he was created.

Chembaron Yamada4 votes

Exactly. Hiding that he was the killer is one thing that is already pretty unlikely for Jhin. But disguising his art as the work of someone else (leading to yasuo and riven to be expected as the killer), I am sure Jhins personality would clearly forbid that.

His assassinations are his master pieces. He wants the credit, he wants everyone knowing that it was him. And he clearly wouldn't give the credit to someone else.

Jhin and Janna are completely out of question as the killers for me. Riven or another unknown person are more likely.

GenoXx2 votes

He can change how it affects the victim at will. The "art" of his teasers gave us that much. And they confirmed that he can make body parts "move, or turn to gold" stuff like that. It's very plausible he could do it. But he did not, he was in prison.

Chromatic Eagle5 votes

Riot said that that teaser was how he sees it, not how it's actually displayed.

GreenLore3 votes

Yeah,but rioters confirmed that he does change the shape of his victims corpses with magic,hence why for example you turn into a flower ingame if you get killed by him.

It might not look as pretty as it does in the teaser,but something definetly happens to them.

Chembaron Yamada3 votes

Thinking about it... If you look at his in game kills with these explosions...

Maybe his victims just blow up, that would involve magic and clearly explain how zed and shen are so shocked at the sight. For Jhin it looks like a beautiful blooming flower. But for everyone else it is just an explosion of flesh and blood.

Tuition Fee2 votes

I mean...red is a pretty nice colour. If it didn't turn brown and dry up, you could probably sell the blood of your victims as paint and earn a fortune before the cops caught you.

GenoXx1 votes

in his color text q and A( i dont know how people keep forgetting he had one) A rioter confirmed he can in fact turn it into what he desires...

bluegolisano1 votes

Could it be possible the Noxians accidentally melted the prison, giving Jhin an escape route?

GreenLore2 votes

No Jhin was freed by a few people within the ionian council. They equipped him with his rifle,so that he can work as an assassin for them.

SolarisCorvus5 votes

Dude its riven. If you play yasuo against riven and the riven ults Yasuo will say something about how her technique is familiar.

GreenLore8 votes

Well this only confirms that Rivens technique would qualify as a wind technique and thus she is a possible candidate,not that its confirmed.

SolarisCorvus3 votes

Then its most likely her because if I remeber correctly Yasuo is the only person in ionia to have mastered the wind blade in generations. And since Noxus was invading Ionia at the time Riven is the only person with a real motive.

GreenLore1 votes

Yes she is the only real suspect that we have at the moment,but that doesn't mean that she can't be a red herring either.

After all there is no reason why Riot can't introduce other possible suspects in the future.

UomoAfide2 votes

Ehhhh, to be fair this seems like the Man with red eyes in the old lore of Miss Fortune, which was retconned into being Gangplank himself during the Bilgewater lore update. Considering this precedent i think that Riot is most likely going on the same route with Riven, not saying this will be the certain outcome but it's highly possible.

GreenLore2 votes

They might change it,but they might not do it either. After all its not like they don't want certain things to be mysteries for now. For example we still don't know whats the connection between Jinx and Vi even when their lores were updated(and now we know that WW is connected to Jinx in some way) or how Sivir can be a descendant of Azir when his Azirs family was killed during Xeraths Ascension.

I think it is actually more likely that they'll introduce other possible suspects eventually,so that the whole thing becomes a bit more interesting.

UomoAfide1 votes

i would really like to have more suspects on the list, but has i said above, my hunch tells me otherwise. Guess we'll have to wait for the Ionian update in hope of discovering it.

FloRaider421 votes

We talking about the usual suspects? Yasuo His whole kit is based on wind techniques Riven Her Ultimate is very similiar to a wind technique ... Oh and Janna: Her whole kit is based on wind magic ;P

ExcusemeFellows1 votes

Why are we putting Janna in there? Isn't she a zaunite?

FloRaider422 votes

Directly from her lore:

Her favor and protection has since been called into the depths of Zaun, where Janna has become a beacon of hope to those in need. No one knows where or when she will appear, but more often than not, she’s come to help.

She wasn't always in Zaun and she can appear wherever she wants.

It's not completly serious as I just dislike the fact that people want to accuse Riven for merely having wind abilities when there are already existing champions and probably some unmentioned side-characters with wind powers.

ExcusemeFellows2 votes

Yea, but directly from that quote, that sounds like Janna would be a protector and not an attacker.

FloRaider421 votes

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Yea, but directly from that quote, that sounds like Janna would be a protector and not an attacker.

She protected Ionians and Noxians by killing that Elder since he would have lead to much more death on both sides if left alive.

ExcusemeFellows2 votes

I did say not an attacker at the end of the post you quoted.

UomoAfide2 votes

Turns out it was actually Urgot all along!

FloRaider422 votes

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Turns out it was actually Urgot all along!

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Cookiehime1 votes

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Then its most likely her because if I remeber correctly Yasuo is the only person in ionia to have mastered the wind blade in generations. And since Noxus was invading Ionia at the time Riven is the only person with a real motive.

He also asks her "Who taught you that?" which is why I think it could be the master and not the apprentice who did it. Her Ionian technique must come from somewhere.

HalfTangible3 votes

Riven's lore is out of date (so is Yasuo's) but it states that her rune sword was a unique weapon given to her by Noxian high command, and imbued with wind sorcery. Note that the wind sorcery isn't unique - just the blade.

It's also stated at multiple points that Ionia is a land rich in magic, meaning that Yasuo's wind technique is likely a form of sorcery as well (which would explain why he thinks Riven's technique looks familiar, despite the fact that he's the only person in a generation to master his wind technique)

This would suggest either that Riven is responsible, or that the people who made her blade are. I would personally find it most interesting if Yasuo and Riven first fought, then teamed up to hunt down the people who imbued Riven's sword.

GenoXx1 votes

Elaborate how riven found the elder and was leading on the battle field while yasuo walked away. I mean, use some deductive reasoning. If Yasuo was on watch at some point, wouldn't that mean that area was safe and not in the conflict of battle? Near his village yes, but not there. I's not Riven, she was almost killed by singed. I doubt she had time to somehow find and elder she knew nothing about and kill him with her Ultimate technique.

BlindfoldedRaven3 votes

Who killed elder dragon? Not my jungler, that's for fucking sure.

Cookiehime1 votes

I speculate that it's Riven's mentor who could be an Ionian traitor. But that's just pure speculation.

GreenLore1 votes

Currently we don't know and I am pretty sure that we won't know until the end of yasuos story(or at least far later).

GenoXx1 votes

It's not riven. How would riven be in two places at once? She was on the battlefield when that happened and almost got killed. How could she have time to briefly kill the elder than get back to the field? Janna is most certainly not the killer. No in game interactions are entirely canon. Only some because some champions actually have met each other in the lore. The person who killed him resides and hails from Ionia. I'd bet it's a disowned pupil who also knows the wind technique, but was banished because of some reason. The cabal in the Ionian Council could also be behind this given they have down a lot of shady business to begin with.

Cookiehime1 votes

Or it could be a pupil from the previous generation since it's said that Yasuo was the only student to master the wind technique in a generation.

We'll have to wait a long time to find out.

Julanus1 votes

So, we know Riven Yasuo Janna all utilize wind techniques. There's also the possibility Jhin is another potential culprit.

However, there is one other character who has been known to utilize wind in their abilities.

Karma

Back before her rework, Karma trained under Janna to master the ways of the wind. It's also why fans were her weapons of choice.

Granted, I don't know enough about the whole Elder lore to have any sort of real theory on how or why Karma might even be a potential suspect, though.

BrolyInTheFranxx1 votes

Jhin was locked up during that time.

Arcus Diabolus1 votes

I hunger for more lore on this subject. This has been the only part that I've been truly interested in for a while.

Personally, I don't think Riven did it. If she did, if it were pre-exile, she would have lead a Noxian warparty and completely wreaked the place and killed everyone around the elder, not just him.

Post exile, she lacks a clear motive. What caused her to leave Noxus was the senseless and meaningless killing of Ionians. Her pure Noxian ideal is strength through honorable combat. Slaughtering a single elder achieves nothing for her.

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