The problem with Vlad's VO isn't that it's 100% blood puns

Blood Magicks··62 votes·2,622 views

It's that it says absolutely nothing about his personality and concept. The writing cute and funny but absolutely flat. At most you can discern Vladimir is someone who would rather joke around than talk about himself, which is hardly what a VO should do.

It's a shame, really. The actor sounds great, some of the laughs are awesome.

39 Comments

LordHippoman48 votes

I'd actually argue the contrary. Vlad's puns tell us quite a bit about his character. He's clever, quick-witted, and a little bit playful, indicating that maybe he's not taking all of this quite so seriously. It also speaks to the depths of his obsession, like in his Judgement, it's not that he's "just" a blood mage, he's completely obsessed with it, hemomancy is like a compulsion to him. The way he dresses and speaks revolve around it, and he will not shut up about blood. Being more willing to joke around than talk about himself is also interesting, if you think about it. Is Vlad ashamed to admit some of the things he's done? The Judgement implies a little guilt about his first two kills, and an inability to stop.

Of course, that could all be me reading too deeply into it, and I'd like to see his bank of lines expanded once the Noxus Update rolls around. I agree with you in that I'd really love for them to keep his current VA.

ChunLii4 votes

Judgment isn't canon because it's based on the old lore Institute of War. Of course you can take inspiration from it but Riot can do whatever they want with Vladimir's personality and motivations at this point considering everything about the Institute of War has been retconned. That story is not on Vladimir's universe page and I had to do some googling to find it. Whatever direction they go with I hope that's its well written.

LordHippoman1 votes

Right, and I'm interested to see what they do. Vlad has a lot of good thematic directions he could go, and I'd like to see which Riot picks out for him.

General Esdeath 1 votes

This^

Pouck1 votes

I agree with you: Clever, witted and obsessed! Nevertheless as you say it would be nice for him to have more quotes/lines. When i see new champs have 9+ min only for interactions with other champion, I wish Vlad would have some new lines. And with his unique theme/gameplay, there should be a lot fun things for him to say.

What is that Noxus update you talk about?

LordHippoman1 votes

I'm assuming Noxus will get a city-state update in the vein of Bilgewater/Piltover/Zaun/Demacia/Shurima, considering Riot seems to be giving them out to all the regions slowly.

I certainly don't work for Riot or have any concrete proof, but it seems likely. Still, though, don't just take my word for it.

Jet Sett10 votes

While that is amazing it's entire foundation is reliant on you. There's no reliable evidence, or definite reason to believe this assessment of Vlad as a character is at all accurate. Although it's incredibly amazing to think about.

LordHippoman8 votes

Oh, I'm very aware of that. There's this very real phenomena with older League characters, especially those with niche fanbases and no current lore updates, where fans basically had to cobble together their own lores based on the brief biography, a Judgement if you were lucky, and maybe a minute's worth of lines. That sometimes results in a bit of a disconnect when Riot updates those champs (Leona/Viktor say hello), and I've always found that interesting.

I personally like to see Vlad as an addict. It's not that he wants to use hemomancy, he literally has to. It was actually confirmed in an old Red post, though I'm unsure if this is still canon, that Vlad doesn't heal from using blood, he heals off of the sheer thrill of it. Of course, that's probably just to explain "how does Vlad heal off Malphite/Blitzcrank", but it painted Vlad to me as someone who's obsessed with his powers, and needs to use them to survive. Being in the League, when that was canon, gave him a chance to do all the blood sucking and hemomancy he wanted without being arrested as a serial killer. They all come right back anyway.

And of course, nothing I said above is canon. I don't have much to work with to support those points, which is why I do agree with Blood Magicks on what I think their main point was, Vlad really could use some more lines or lore that better illustrate his personality and motivations. Hopefully we'll get that.

SpecterVonBaren2 votes

While it's true that people have to cobble together things from a champion's voice over, some voice overs give more than others, even if both are about as old as each other. Take Vlad when compared to Irelia for example. Vlad's voice over tells everything that you previously mentioned but what does Irelia's voice over tell us other than that she's a soldier/fighter?

So while I agree that, while our views about their personalities might be based on very little, that some champs are more clearly likely to retain some element what we currently can theorize of their personality than others.

Mordepool16 votes

O B positive for once

ChunLii9 votes

They need to establish what that personality is first. Do they want more of the noble or more of the blood mage? Do they want him to be more political or more apolitical? Do they want more calculated or more spontaneous? How serious do they want Vladimir? You can go from one extreme to the other or maybe in the middle with his current gameplay. He doesn't need a vgu though. Just vu and lore update. His gameplay is solid in my opinion, he is a blood mage and he conveys that well in his gameplay.

VoraciousX8 votes

I love the blood puns so much. If they ever redo his VO lines, they better keep them dammit.

Blood Magicks9 votes

But not at the expense of his, y'know, personality.

VoraciousX4 votes

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But not at the expense of his, y'know, personality.

Some people don't actually have much of a personality. Though I guess when your favorite hobby is making blood puns you have to have some sort of personality. Now I feel like one of his VO lines(if he ever gets new ones) should be him actually thinking up blood puns. Maybe even have like his normal line while thinking of the blood pun, then a random blood pun from a list drawn to be the blood pun he thought up. That'd be nice.

LordForrest4 votes

We already have the Vlad voiceover we deserve. Its called Blood Lord. Pretty much why I still use Blood Lord Vlad even though I like how soulstealer looks better.

Blood Magicks1 votes

Bloodlord is AU/Alternative future where he's completed his climb to power, gotten bored and started a one man Black metal band. Current Vlad should be the ambitious youth merely starting that climb. There are decades of character development between Bloodlord and Classic Vladimir.

LordForrest2 votes

Eh, that may be true, but personally I have always thought that Vlad should be far more menacing then his cringe inducing blood pun and reference filled Classic VO is.

He should be suave, but with that underlying current of menace that unsettles you and fills you with dread.

Blood Magicks4 votes

You're absolutely right here. Hemomancy - the power to mess someone up on the inside with a single touch - is a disturbing art, even moreso when wielded by someone about as twisted as Jhin. But unlike Jhin, Vlad isn't obviously scary - he is attractive and humorous, which makes the truth all the more terrifying once you see past the polished façade.

There is so much potential. Vlad should be scarier.

Malicious Metal5 votes

Implying Jhin isn't attractive or humorous.

Blood Magicks1 votes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia

Get urself checked boi

No I don't see any irony at all in this statement.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

i guess you just dont have a good appreciation of fine irony

LordForrest1 votes

Exactly. The potential is there and I want to see it explored.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

I think that would be a terrible route to take because it would be rather generic and we already have Jhin for that kind of personality. Vlad should keep to his roots a bit and have a general feel of... someone said a while back that Vlad is like Patrick Bateman from American Psycho, he should be obsessive and cold but also charming and with a sense of humor to him.

Vlad should be scary because he's acting charming and not taking things seriously while brutally murdering you..... Think of it like this maybe, maybe this is a good comparison. Think of Jhin as being like Heath Ledger's Joker while Vlad is like Mark Hamil's Joker.

LordForrest1 votes

Uh, thats what I was saying, He should come across as suave, but when you take another look there is this sense of menace lurking under his facade. He doesn't come right out as menacing, just that as you think more about what he is saying you start feeling a deep sense of dread and horror. The monster that lurks under the charming aristocrat.

Barcid3 votes

I mean, considering how old his VO is, this should be less an argument of what's wrong with the VO and more an argument for how he should be getting some kind of update soon.

WitchQueen Annie3 votes

I've always imagined that he has the personality of a Lestat de Lioncourt type figure.

Valor Bot3 votes

I wonder if Vlad is anywhere on the VGU list? Seems like he could be a much cooler character with updated visuals/VO and maybe some new abilities.

GreenLore3 votes

I imagine that he is somewhere among the tier2 candidates.

His model is pretty ok(not good,just not as horrible as some others),his kit has some unique things and fits the blood mage fantasy quite a bit and they even seem to have some plans for him in terms of lore,as he was shown sacrificing some people to reprogram sion. And while his VO is lame,there are some that are even worse(looking at you Alistar)

Epicurus2 votes

The fact that Vladimir will make and immensely lame pun while painfully tearing every drop of moisture from your capillaries is what cements him as one of league's most evil, insane characters, in my opinion. There's a lot of room for improvement in his VO, but I think the puns are an important part of his personality. Without them he would just be a generic evil vampire hemomancer. I concede that his new VO (it will happen eventually) shouldn't be 100% puns. Maybe only 50%.

WinTheWarOnPants2 votes

An overuse of puns can completely ruin a character(see any "Smite" god for reference). When character creators use puns, it shows a lack of creativity.

Okami2 votes

just wish they'd do more VUs, thus giving vlad a VU, new VO, lore update. i feel like he has the potential to be one of the absolute coolest champs in the game if they put some work into him. of course there are champs that need visual AND gameplay updates desperately, so I guess vlad is sadly really low priority.

aspects11 votes

the blood lord vlad laughs are good id say their the best in the game normal vlad tho i say is meh

reaperteaser1 votes

id actually really like for vlad to get more puns in his VO, aside from his gameplay its one of the top reasons i love playing vlad

starelementpoke1 votes

I think you mean the best part of it.

Project omen1 votes

Well if you read Vladimir's League Judgement, you'll see that he doesn't like talking about his true personality. He is a murderous psychopath and he is ashamed to admit it. Which is probably why a lot of his in game quotes are jokes and puns.

Evewynn1 votes

Was hoping for a pun.

Disappointed.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

It's that it ISN'T 100% blood puns.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

i want vlad to be murderously whimsical and to at least hint more about himself if he ever gets a VU

Yautja wannabe1 votes

Personally, I think it all boils down to personal perspective. Vlad's lines can come across as outdated, or they can hint to just how much of a monster he really is. Perhaps draining the blood from his victims is so normal to him that he just doesn't care anymore, which is why he has such a nonchalant personality. A couple great examples of this are Bayonetta and Dante from the DMC series. Both of them do extremely impressive (and quite frankly dark) things, but they're so used to it that they don't really seem to care. With that said, they're both too busy cracking jokes, puns, and taunts to actually talk about themselves. Same thing with our favorite hemomancer.

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