Is there anyone as strong as Aurelion Sol in lore?

Bultz·Jan 18, 2017·2 votes·12,357 views

Is Sol the height of power in the LOL lore world? Is there anyone equal?

61 Comments

KiyoYoshimaruJan 18, 20175 votes

Guys. I'm just saying. Remember those guys who put the crown of control on Aurelion Sol's head? Who literally had the power to erase the stars he created? I'm more afraid of those guys.

GreenLoreJan 18, 20171 votes

Well,but they had to trick him into wearing the crown,so it is likely that they would have been unable to beat or subdue him in a direct fight

Wrathof300Jan 21, 20171 votes

True. You have to wonder though, what other space creatures or even planets are out their. Does Targon have an entire army of Space monsters?

GreenLoreJan 21, 20172 votes

Well Sols lore mentions that they forced him to fight others of his kind (though keep in mind that sols "siblings" aren't necessarily dragons),so they had at the very least some conflict with other space monsters.

OleandervineJan 18, 20171 votes

The power of that crown was an effort of the combined powers of the Aspects. If a bunch of demigod beings can join their efforts, they can subdue even a celestial being. However, this isn't something they apparently do often, considering the animosity their current avatars have towards Pantheon.

Wrathof300Jan 19, 20171 votes

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The power of that crown was an effort of the combined powers of the Aspects. If a bunch of demigod beings can join their efforts, they can subdue even a celestial being. However, this isn't something they apparently do often, considering the animosity their current avatars have towards Pantheon.

They weren't demigods when they captured him, maybe there were those of obscene power hence they made such a powerful control device (the crown). The Targon's Aspects are utilizing the power of Aurelion Sol's stars. The only aspects that hates pantheon is taric but this may be due to him being protection and pantheon his polar opposite war. I theorize that its the solari and lunari tensions that are weakening Aurelions confines.

zaire90Jan 21, 20171 votes

I theorize that its the solari and lunari tensions that are weakening Aurelions confines.

off topic but now that u mention that is diana the only lunari ( this could mean the last of all the lunari) or are there others just not made into champs

Wrathof300Jan 19, 20171 votes

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Guys. I'm just saying. Remember those guys who put the crown of control on Aurelion Sol's head? Who literally had the power to erase the stars he created? I'm more afraid of those guys.

Those guys are Pantheon. Smirk.

SharjoJan 18, 20175 votes

Aurelion Sol was born in to existence with a bunch of other celestial entities of varying powers, so at least one of them is likely comparable to him.

Then there's also Kindred.

And Bard's got the entire cosmos to protect. Dude must be obscenely powerful.

GinoSoldierJan 18, 20173 votes

Kindred is Death itself. She'll be there when Aurelion Sol dies.

BultzJan 18, 20171 votes

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Kindred is Death itself. She'll be there when Aurelion Sol dies.

Yeah, but aurelion created everything she is killing so... Also he is far stronger than her and she can also die since I believe she is being hunted in her lore.

Ebonmaw DragonJan 18, 201710 votes

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Yeah, but aurelion created everything she is killing so... Also he is far stronger than her and she can also die since I believe she is being hunted in her lore.

He only created the stars.

Also, Bard and Kindred are the ones strong as him.

AND KINDRED IS "THEY" NOT SHE

OleandervineJan 18, 20172 votes

To gauge the Kindred's power, look at what they preside over. Death is literally everywhere and happens every second, every day, anywhere where there is mortal life. Aurelion created the cosmos, yes, but the creation of fire and gas is nowhere near as all encompassing as the pervasiveness of death.

RiotFauxSchizzleJan 20, 20177 votes

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Yeah, but aurelion created everything she is killing so... Also he is far stronger than her and she can also die since I believe she is being hunted in her lore.

Nope. Aurelion did not create everything. Stars, yes. Spirits and magic? Nope. Matter? Well, it was a byproduct of star forging.

midnight oil24Jan 20, 20172 votes

But he didn't create life. All he can purposely make is stars, right? Life on planets is just a happy accident of Aurelion sol? Or do I have that wrong?

RiotFauxSchizzleJan 20, 20172 votes

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But he didn't create life. All he can purposely make is stars, right? Life on planets is just a happy accident of Aurelion sol?

Correct!

midnight oil24Jan 20, 20171 votes

First off, you were my first rioter response ever. Thank you!

Second, thanks, that clears a lot up. If Aurelion was just the maker of everything then basically god would just be in the game, and who can beat god? It's good that his powers are just limited to stars.

BrutusnessJan 20, 20171 votes

Is Cho'Gath a top entity in the Void, or a leader at all? I know Baron and likely Vilemaw are gigantic Void Creatures but neither seem to have the sentience of Cho.

Crimson AnamJan 20, 20171 votes

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Is Cho'Gath a top entity in the Void, or a leader at all? I know Baron and likely Vilemaw are gigantic Void Creatures but neither seem to have the sentience of Cho.

There is a being in Aurelion Sol's Short Story who could create an inter-dimensional rift between the universe and the Void.

Sol mentioned that throwing a star at it would not be enough to close it.

So we are looking at someone who's strong enough to throw down with Sol's firepower.

Meanwhile in the alternate universe, Cosmic Reaver Kassadin would probably be the strongest thing to have emerged from the Void dimension.

YouCantClickThisJan 20, 20171 votes

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Is Cho'Gath a top entity in the Void, or a leader at all? I know Baron and likely Vilemaw are gigantic Void Creatures but neither seem to have the sentience of Cho.

You have to wait for Cho's reworked lore. Right now it's outdated. I think Cho will be reworked as the leader of the void tbh.

NullDragonJan 20, 20173 votes

Aurelion Sol Bob Ross legendary skin when?

nosafterburnJan 20, 20171 votes

Is there any star dragon worshippers still on (or ever was on) Runeterra? If so does he have his own cult/religion too, and if so does targon occasionally infiltrait/try-to-destroy it?

BultzJan 20, 20171 votes

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Nope. Aurelion did not create everything. Stars, yes. Spirits and magic? Nope. Matter? Well, it was a byproduct of star forging.

What I meant was, the stars he created are the sources of all life, as far as I have been told and if i remember that is according to Sol's lore. He created every single star, and because of those stars life was able to be, outside of spirits and beyond worldly figures, yes, but are they really considered alive? Kindred only kills living things, and I have never heard about them killing any spirits. Would there be life without Sol?

RalanrJan 20, 20171 votes

The stars are not the source of all life. He and many other beings were born into the cosmos before he created stars and they are also most likely not the life source of void creatures.

Stars ShaperJan 30, 20172 votes

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Matter? Well, it was a byproduct of star forging.

AurelionSol Quite a regrettable one if I may say so.

KotetsuTatsumakiJan 18, 20173 votes

Aurelion Sol is probably the most powerful within the lore that is also playable. It defiantly gonna take something from the darkest depths of the void that we have not seen yet to match him in overall power.

Overlord ForteJan 18, 20172 votes

The Kindred are the most readily apparent example, as they're a manifestation/personification of death (entropy, arguably) itself. Even Aurelion Sol is mortal, despite his cosmic-level power.

Bard is seemingly from another plane of existence, so may or may not be.

Third in line would probably be whatever constitutes the highest echelons in the Void. Theirs is an entire alternate reality of biomechanical horrors, though, so they operate on a different power scale.

YuGiHoJan 19, 20172 votes

Poppy is pretty strong

YouCantClickThisJan 18, 20171 votes

I don't get what people say about Kindred's "power". It depends on how you look at it, I put kindred in the same category as Zilean. Yes zilean can control time, but he doesn't affect the events that happen. Kindred is the spirit of death, embodiment of death, yes, but Kindred has no control on the timing of your death, she is only there to finish the job when it inevitably does happen. Now, if you think Kindred is a sentient being that actually hunts people down that are near-death, the story itself says there have been people who have managed to escape Kindred the first go around. This could mean that A.) They were just having a near-death experience, or B.) Kindred can be escaped temporarily by someone physically gifted enough and I think Aurelion has that power. Even so, Aurelion has said to be born since the beginning of time, and is still alive, he probably will die but think about how long he will live until Kindred has any influence on him. I don't think Kindred is "powerful", more like a natural phenomena. Kindred also has no control over people that are undead, Kindred couldnt really do anything to people of the shadow isles while Aurelion could blow up Runeterra easily. Targonians have made Aurelion fight other celestial beings so he might be one of the most powerful ones if he's unscathed by all of that.

So currently, yes.

Made a video on my channel top 10 powerful champions(made before Jax bio, Jax would no longer make my list): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-bHX-MEsSU

JhonTeemonNov 10, 20171 votes

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I don't get what people say about Kindred's "power". It depends on how you look at it, I put kindred in the same category as Zilean. Yes zilean can control time, but he doesn't affect the events that happen. Kindred is the spirit of death, embodiment of death, yes, but Kindred has no control on the timing of your death, she is only there to finish the job when it inevitably does happen. Now, if you think Kindred is a sentient being that actually hunts people down that are near-death, the story itself says there have been people who have managed to escape Kindred the first go around. This could mean that A.) They were just having a near-death experience, or B.) Kindred can be escaped temporarily by someone physically gifted enough and I think Aurelion has that power. Even so, Aurelion has said to be born since the beginning of time, and is still alive, he probably will die but think about how long he will live until Kindred has any influence on him. I don't think Kindred is "powerful", more like a natural phenomena. Kindred also has no control over people that are undead, Kindred couldnt really do anything to people of the shadow isles while Aurelion could blow up Runeterra easily. Targonians have made Aurelion fight other celestial beings so he might be one of the most powerful ones if he's unscathed by all of that.

So currently, yes.

Made a video on my channel top 10 powerful champions(made before Jax bio, Jax would no longer make my list): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-bHX-MEsSU

Targonians are strong in their own right but Aurelion soul is practically a God in his own right, you have to remember that the universe was created when aspects of Sol were still around and not neglect the fact that maybe just maybe Aurelion sol is the ancestor of the creator.

midnight oil24Jan 19, 20171 votes

I'd say the ascendants are similar levels. Sure, the aspects are powerful but they just use human bodies. Ascendents get godlike fortitude and strength, and while they might not beat AS in terms of size, all sorts of things show us that just because you're not the size of the being bigger than the planet, you can still punch him to death. Bonus points if you get the reference.

YouCantClickThisJan 19, 20171 votes

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I'd say the ascendants are similar levels. Sure, the aspects are powerful but they just use human bodies. Ascendents get godlike fortitude and strength, and while they might not beat AS in terms of size, all sorts of things show us that just because you're not the size of the being bigger than the planet, you can still punch him to death. Bonus points if you get the reference.

The ascended are made from a SUN DISC. Aurelion literally CREATES SUNS. The ascended are not even close to his level, read Aurelion's color story:

(This is aurelion talking)

In a vast stretch of desert, I feel the twinge of familiar magic emanating from the seat of the premiere civilization amongst these savages. Lo and behold, a massive Sun Disc is under construction. The poor enslaved laborers beat their heads and rend their clothes in my wake. Their cruel masters see me, a streaking bolt of fire, as a portent of good omen, no doubt. My passing will be etched in their uncouth pictograms upon common stone, an homage to the great comet, the blessing of the sky-god gracing their holy works and so forth. The Disc’s sole purpose is to funnel the sun’s majesty into the most “renowned” of these fleshy humanoids, transforming them into exactly what this planet needs: more insufferable demigods. This effort will undoubtedly backfire. But I suppose they might last a brief while, perhaps a thousand years or so, before they fall and are supplanted by others.

They literally worship him.

FasmodeyJan 19, 20171 votes

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The ascended are made from a SUN DISC. Aurelion literally CREATES SUNS. The ascended are not even close to his level, read Aurelion's color story:

(This is aurelion talking)

They literally worship him.

Ascended are not made by Sun Disc, they're made by a ritual that uses Sun Disc. They're transformed by magic, which is a thing that subdued even the Star Forger.

Still, as you said, they're not even close to Aurelion Sol, except Xerath IMO. Not his bound form of course. If his Unbound form is weaker than Aurelion Sol, I still would say he would be close to his level.

And no, Ascended do not worship Sun either, not even Azir. They more likely see it as a tool.

YouCantClickThisJan 19, 20171 votes

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Ascended are not made by Sun Disc, they're made by a ritual that uses Sun Disc. They're transformed by magic, which is a thing that subdued even the Star Forger.

No, you're getting ascended and aspects confused. The aspects/targonians/Pantheon subdued the Star Forger, not the shurimans. The targonians are the ones that use this magic, and if you read Diana's story there was no sun disc involved with her gaining powers. Targonians are probably a very strong race with magical powers of their own, they are the only race in Runeterra that are able to travel universes. Aspects are diana, leona, pantheon, taric, etc. Ascended are Azir, Renekton, Xerath, Nasus.

Yes, they do worship Aurelion Sol. Maybe not the ascended, but the shurimans sure do. The ascended do respect the sun disc as they had to EARN the ascension, and there's a community of elders who protect/study the disc. It's not just "some tool". Read the quote I just said. He passed by in the image of a comet and they etched drawings of him:

"My passing will be etched in their uncouth pictograms upon common stone, an homage to the great comet, the blessing of the sky-god gracing their holy works and so forth."

"Their cruel masters see me, a streaking bolt of fire, as a portent of good omen, no doubt."

No, it's not a "magical ritual that uses the sun disc", the ritual is the sun disc. It was literally shown in Azir's trailer how Ascended are made. Skip to 1:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYyuH1Bp2ZI&t=78s

Shurima and Mt. Targon are separate places, you're combining both of the stories. Aurelion's color story is based on him flying over Azir's failed ascension. Also Xerath stands NO chance against Aurelion. At the height of xerath's power he destroyed Shurima, that's pretty strong. Sol creates universes and destroys planets. Xerath isnt on that level.

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Good eye! Yes, Aurelion Sol indeed flew over Azir's failed Ascension.

FasmodeyJan 19, 20171 votes

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No, you're getting ascended and aspects confused. The aspects/targonians/Pantheon subdued the Star Forger, not the shurimans. The targonians are the ones that use this magic, and if you read Diana's story there was no sun disc involved with her gaining powers. Targonians are probably a very strong race with magical powers of their own, they are the only race in Runeterra that are able to travel universes. Aspects are diana, leona, pantheon, taric, etc. Ascended are Azir, Renekton, Xerath, Nasus.

Yes, they do worship Aurelion Sol. Maybe not the ascended, but the shurimans sure do. The ascended do respect the sun disc as they had to EARN the ascension, and there's a community of elders who protect/study the disc. It's not just "some tool". Read the quote I just said. He passed by in the image of a comet and they etched drawings of him:

No, it's not a "magical ritual that uses the sun disc", the ritual is the sun disc. It was literally shown in Azir's trailer how Ascended are made. Skip to 1:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYyuH1Bp2ZI&t=78s

Shurima and Mt. Targon are separate places, you're combining both of the stories. Aurelion's color story is based on him flying over Azir's failed ascension. Also Xerath stands NO chance against Aurelion. At the height of xerath's power he destroyed Shurima, that's pretty strong. Sol creates universes and destroys planets. Xerath isnt on that level.

Haha, you got me wrong. Sorry for misunderstanding. When I said ''which is a thing that subdued even the Star Forger'', I wanted to say magic is a universal power that even can subdue a super powerful being. Magic is so strong, it even surpass power of the sun. So they're transformed by a power tool, in other say, magic.

You can be sure that I know the difference between Aspects and Ascended really well.

Yes, Sun Disc is a tool. It is a tool that combines magic and cosmic energy. No one transforms to demigods just because of sunlight. It is clearly mentioned as a magical ritual.

Xerath has never been at the height of his power, ever. It was power of the twisted ritual that destroyed Shurima, not Xerath. Xerath actually fought against Renekton and Nasus in his weakest level as Ascended anyway. No experience on his arcane magic, no experience on his new body, limited by sarcophagus.

YouCantClickThisJan 19, 20171 votes

Xerath has never been at the height of his power, ever. It was power of the twisted ritual that destroyed Shurima, not Xerath. Xerath actually fought against Renekton and Nasus in his weakest level as Ascended anyway. No experience on his arcane magic, no experience on his new body, limited by sarcophagus.

I understand ur point now, u can ignore what I wrote then. I agree Aurelion is susceptible to magic, but you have to remember that he had to be tricked into it, it's not like they were able to go toe-to-toe with him. Also, the people that use this magic are also able to create demigods to service them, Targonians arent some scrubs. Also, the magic doesn't really hold him back, it's the fact that it destroys his stars that aurelion views as children if he disobeys. So it's not like he's being physically restrained by their magic, it's like a magical blackmail, i suppose.

That's exactly my point. How can Xerath's power exceed the power of the twisted ritual? His power comes from the twisted ritual. I call it the height of his power because the explosion was literally a release of all of the sun disc's power since it was depleted afterwards, and he gained all of that. I don't see how Xerath, even with his knowledge of magic, can become exceptionally more powerful then what created him. Sure, his knowledge of magic he might be able to become slightly stronger. Like you said, 2 ascended beings brought him down, weak or not, he was able to be taken down. Aurelion would never lose to 2 ascended even as a baby dragon.

Yes, Sun Disc is a tool. It is a tool that combines magic and cosmic energy. No one transforms to demigods just because of sunlight. It is clearly mentioned as a magical ritual.

Yes, it's a tool, but u said they don't worship the tool and respect it, like it's a ordinary screwdriver or something. If it doesn't focus on sunlight then can u explain what happened to azir in the video lol.

Crimson AnamJan 19, 20171 votes

Aurelion Sol created all the galaxies in the universe.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-preview/champion-insights-aurelion-sol

After a few failed directions, we started thinking about him as a celestial creator, someone who literally created entire galaxies as he meandered about the final frontier.

That’s what we wanted our dragon to do, too, but instead of tickling the ivories, he’d create entire galaxies. Imagine the ego on that guy!

However, he's still tiny compared to Nagakabouros.

PermabannedGarenJan 19, 20171 votes

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Aurelion Sol created all the galaxies in the universe.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-preview/champion-insights-aurelion-sol

However, he's still tiny compared to Nagakabouros.

That quote does not even imply that he created all the galaxies in the universe.

Crimson AnamJan 19, 20172 votes

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That quote does not even imply that he created all the galaxies in the universe.

It's the existing consensus in these boards that Celestial Dragons created ALL the stars in the universe.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Guardian#Trivia

_It is unknown how much/if Celestial Dragons have any relations with this group of protectors, being the creators and originators of all stars in the Universe. _

However, there is only ONE star-forging dragon.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/cfEdVAJd-welcome-to-the-aurelion-sol-qa?show=rundown

We toyed with the idea very early on that Aurelion Sol had "sisters" out in the cosmos, with their own unique talents. Aurelion's was stars whereas "gravity" or "dark matter" would be another's. This idea became what's known as an "artifact" during the development process, in which it means it fell away from being part of the champ's story. Regardless, there is only one star-forging dragon. There are other celestial entities, but whether or not they are dragons has yet to be seen. Most likely, though, not.

Therefore, Aurelion Sol is the only one who created all of them.

The main point is that even if Aurelion Sol only created a tiny fraction of the universe's galaxies, that's still millions out of trillion galaxies, each of them with billions of stars in turn, and makes him way stronger than any 'demigods' bound to a single planet.

RiotFauxSchizzleJan 20, 20173 votes

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Aurelion Sol created all the galaxies in the universe.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-preview/champion-insights-aurelion-sol

However, he's still tiny compared to Nagakabouros.

Not really tiny. Size isn't a factor in this. But Aurelion Sol definitely knows and has encountered Nagakabouros.

KiritoErenMikasaJan 21, 20171 votes

Replies to random lore comment, but not things of concern.

Sir PoodleJan 23, 20171 votes

Oh no, one of the people in charge of lore responded to a lore comment instead of an area they aren't responsible for? The horror! [zombie-brand-facepalm]

The EcdysiastJan 30, 20172 votes

That, and Aurelion is massive as all hell. He's scaled down for the game (like Nautlius), but it's somewhat safe to assume that his actual maximum size coincides with his ratio to his orbiting stars. So he's bigger than a human can actually fathom.

GaliöJan 20, 20171 votes

Jax puts on glasses with a real weapon

SincarnationJan 20, 20171 votes

Only real possibilities (excluding skins) Kindred - Depends. Is Kindred just death on Valoran or is the one we see just the Valoran Manifestation of Death? If Kindred is just death on Valoran, they don't hold a candle to Sol. Now if Kindred is actually just the cycle of Life and Death with Lamb and Wolf being the Valoran manifestation then they are likely more powerful as I'm fairly certain Sol is mortal. Ancient and possibly timeless, but he even says he isn't infallible.

Bard - Only because he is a complete mystery, and we know nothing about him other than "wooooh mysterious space hobo who keeps humans from stabbing their own eyes out with mysterious magic forks"

Mysterious Void Entity - Papa/Mama Void Creature who knows? Possibility need more lore, riot pls

Naga - Nagakbouros is supposed to be a god of motion or something right? Probably is enormously powerful, but we know little to nothing about it.

Colgate GatorJan 20, 20171 votes

Jax!

Meep ManJan 20, 20171 votes

Bard can control time and space, can travel through dimensions, and can presumably see into the past and future since he knows what needs to happen so that the universe is kept in balance. He is definitely up there with Aurelion Sol.

Meanwhile, Kindred is weird since they require someone to die to do anything, meaning they rely on something to take action. This puts them in a weird state to where they are only as powerful as how frequent death is.

VelvetCrotchJan 23, 20171 votes

Ofc! Plenty! Teemo, brand and many more!

Nah. Just kidding. Maybe kindred?