What do you look forward to in an Ionian update?

Chromatic Eagle·Feb 3, 2018·11 votes·1,157 views

With Irelia and Akali vgus this year, I'm sure we'll receive more lore on Ionia, so what do people want to see? I hope we see a map.

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GreenLoreFeb 3, 20188 votes

Karma getting a bit of a thematic push.Right now she kinda just is "asian mage".I think her theme is supposed to be that she is essentially LoLs buddha,someone who got enlightment(which judging by her new lore is seemingly someone who has contact to all of her past lifes),but her current lore doesn't go into detail about that and just slaps "enlightment" onto her abilities and calls it a theme.

Shen Akali Kennen The Kinkou order getting a bit established,I mean Kennen might not get a new lore til his VGU(and Shen has already one),but I feel like the whole kinkou order is a bit disconnected from the rest

Zed and his order of shadows getting more lore.What really defines shadow magic?What is the goal of the order of the shadows/Zed?How does Zed see his students? The best case scenario would also reveal a few more details about how Kusho was killed,but I wouldn't count on that.

MasterYi getting a new lore that actually explains what defines wuju.

Soraka getting a new lore,her old one is pretty much broken since last year.(though I fear that they retcon soraka into a neutral champ and thus ignore her for ionia)

What is Syndra s actual goal?Is she related to the floating islands?

How did LeeSin s magic manifest?He barely has any lore right now,I just want to know whats his backstory now.Also how did the ionians win the war?

Yasuo can be ignored in my opinion,as his lore direction is pretty solid already(just change "elder" to "master" like in his short lore)

SplisionFeb 4, 20182 votes

Isn't Soraka Targonian now? I thought I read it on her universe page.

GreenLoreFeb 4, 20182 votes

It was said that she arrived at targon,but she is still listed as ionian,so she likely moved there afterwards.

SplisionFeb 4, 20181 votes

Well that's definitely plausible considering the fact that another Targonian is on her way to Ionia.

XIII VanitasFeb 5, 20181 votes

We already know the goal of the Order of Shadows: seize all the power that you can in order to strengthen Ionia and kill the Noxian invaders.

Whyte LyonFeb 3, 20186 votes

How the political and social landscape of half the nation has been radicalized post-Noxus invasion.

Other than that, I dont think the Vastaya were as fleshed out as they could have been. As just one example I want to learn more about this apparent treaty the Ionian Vastaya and humans had and like how many IRL treaties, one side ends up abusing the agreement. The more interesting part is that as a consequence some of the Vastaya would aid Noxus during the war, so more on that would be cool.

BladeSingularityFeb 4, 20181 votes

I believe a Rioter said there will be more about the Vastaya in the lore update, or at least Xayah's mission against the Shadow Order and other magic stealers. Let me see if I can find the post ...

Oh, right, there was this from WAAARGHbobo (one of Riot's Writers):

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So I can't do spoilers. But I will say we have a product in 2018 that should clear this up.

Hmm ... any ideas?

Whyte LyonFeb 4, 20181 votes

Well the idea that fellow Ionian's are all ~~stealing~~ borrowing natural magick is kind of implied throughout lore.

Kashuri Armories are capitalizing on the abundant magick. Obviously Zed and the Order of Shadows are too. Perhaps the Noxians were while the war raged on. I wouldn't be surprised if Syndra was doing it as well in some capacity. Ahri's lore subtly mentions the Ghetu sea which is now referred to as a desert ... very suspicious.

I also think despite WAAARG's efforts this mysterious "Quinlon" thing is the same device from the cinematic, that has the means for which everyone is capable of stealing this magick.

Wrathof300Feb 4, 20186 votes

A retelling of the Ionian invasion. With Noxus lore coming up and potentially followed up by Ionia lore, a story similar to Shurima's Bloodline or Piltover's Progress Day, to retell some events of the Ionian invasion would be nice. One from Noxus' perspective maybe centered around Darius and Quill, maybe more info on Invetia could be revealed, and another from Irelia's perspective revealing the story of how she cut off Swain's arm and crippled him.

I would expect them to save updating Akali and Kennen 's lore (maybe even Zed 's as well) for when they reveal the Akali rework, maybe a video and some art on the Kinkou and the Order of the Shadows, similar to what they did with Mount Targon when Zoe was released.

Of all the champions Soraka is the most likely to not get updated imo, but depends on how much impact her new lore would have on whatever Riot is planning with the Ionia update. Basically if she still plays a role in Irelia 's lore or not.

HonestJohnTheConFeb 3, 20183 votes

Ezreal Who needs a map?

But seriously, I'm hoping we get some info on the spirit world and the Noxus-Ionia invasion (unless we get lore on that in the Noxus lore update).

moogle890Feb 4, 20182 votes

I wanna see Karma be a leader, or just anything at this point.

The Kinkou Trio, Shen Akali and Kennen interact with one another.

More info on Syndra and Zed possibly being allies/friends.

More MonkeyKing and MasterYi father son/master student moments.

and whatever Yasuo 's been up to since Taliyah left Ionia.

PokladnicaZlaFeb 4, 20182 votes

A RIOTer stated that 2 Ionia champions getting updated is just a lucky concidence,nothing more.

Tesla EffectFeb 4, 20181 votes

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A RIOTer stated that 2 Ionia champions getting updated is just a lucky concidence,nothing more.

With that many champions from Ionia, specially those in need of Champion Updates, that is hardly a statistical improbability.

PokladnicaZlaFeb 4, 20181 votes

They actually had a project before Akali,but found her theme/new ideas for het faster cause it just clicked.

GreenLoreFeb 4, 20181 votes

Doesn't change the fact that an ionian lore update is basically guaranteed.

PokladnicaZlaFeb 4, 20183 votes

It doesn't confirme or denying anything.Those 2 champions are next for VGU/reworks because it's either rather urgent,RITO found the direction for them rather quickly (like with Akali ) or they want a lore update. Irelia might be accompanied by a lore update,but Akali's a different story.

Hey,Varus just a lore shift and Aatrox is after Irelia.Darkin lore update. -logic

GreenLoreFeb 4, 20181 votes

The thing is that we got lore updates with almost every VGU in the last years(Taric came right after the targon update,Yorick came with a shadow isles update,Galio came with a demacia one,Warwick came with a zaun update and it looks like Swain will come with a noxus update,as we got the noxus icon already on the pbe) The exceptions were Ryze cause he isn't tied to any faction, Evelynn same reason as Ryze, Urgot because Zaun had already a lore update in the same year.

So it is really unlikely for us to not get an ionia update this year,when we have 2 ionian champs getting VGUs this year. Especially since Noxus(the faction that had the biggest impact on Ionia) is getting some focus right before these updates.

PokladnicaZlaFeb 4, 20181 votes

Not every release will or does future a lore update on a National scale.Since Noxus is the likeliest faction to have a lore update ,having Ionia the same year is a huge deal.They will likely update their lore,but having a huge lore update on a mass one after the other requires a lot of resources.

Not saying it wont happen,but basing your whole argument on VGU's (from which one was a confirmed to be a sudden addition) is not really credible IMO. RIOTAugust** is working a female champion update if it's an Ionian,a lore update would a great possibility.

GreenLoreFeb 4, 20181 votes

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Not every release will or does future a lore update on a National scale.Since Noxus is the likeliest faction to have a lore update ,having Ionia the same year is a huge deal.They will likely update their lore,but having a huge lore update on a mass one after the other requires a lot of resources.

Not saying it wont happen,but basing your whole argument on VGU's (from which one was a confirmed to be a sudden addition) is not really credible IMO. RIOTAugust** is working a female champion update if it's an Ionian,a lore update would a great possibility.

The thing is that we had 3 faction events and 1 race-related event in the last season(with 3 of these 4 events also happening in the same year),as we got updates for piltover,zaun,demacia and the vastaya. So pretty much the first 4 major releases in this season were all accompanied by a bigger event. And with riot not releasing another big lore update since april last year it is entirely possible that they have focused their resources on preparing the events of this year.

And honestly with us getting 2 ionia champs it is rather likely that one of them will bring an event(irelia would likely be more fitting for that,given that she is more central to Ionia)

Also I think the female champ that comes after Nunu is most likely Kayle (who will come with Morgana ) as it was mentioned that there is another "minor" VGU in the works(and it was said that Morgana doesn't need as much work as the recent VGUs) and both of them had changes to their WAD-files,just like Nunu and Akali.

Tesla EffectFeb 4, 20182 votes

Also solidify when the Ionian Invasion happened and why Noxians invade Pallas years after the invasion, as well as pinpointing when Bard: Mountain event happened.

Lady FacelessFeb 4, 20182 votes

I'm pretty sure Noxus invade Pallas on the beginning of the Noxian Invasion. That would mean that the events of the comics and Varus' Color Text have atleast a time gap from 5 years, but the timeline was already a mess before, I'm afraid.

Tesla EffectFeb 4, 20181 votes

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I'm pretty sure Noxus invade Pallas on the beginning of the Noxian Invasion. That would mean that the events of the comics and Varus' Color Text have atleast a time gap from 5 years, but the timeline was already a mess before, I'm afraid.

Well no, that would mean Shurima was restored 10-15 years ago. Its more likely it happened in the span of 9 years ago to the present, meaning after the Invasion Noxians attacked Pallas.

Lady FacelessFeb 4, 20182 votes

I don't wanna disagree with you since the Narrative team is clearly falling to deliver as a logical timeline, especially about the topic Noxian Invasion.

But I just gonna state my thoughts why I think it happened on the beginning of the events - Pallas is a haven city. If you gonna invade a foreign country, you will start on the haven cities and work through these into the heart of the country. This alone makes sense that Pallas was one of the earliest attacks. Second - nothing in the comic implies that Noxus already invaded Ionia. They sent their scots to Ionia, yes, but otherwise the first comic shows Ionia in the time of peace. Third - they did came for the temple and the weapon as well. As the second part of the comics shows it that they are trying to break through to the well. I believe Noxus was absolutly aware that the temple was guarding, so they sent their trops to get the weapon to use it against Ionia in the war.

Ofc, these are just my thoughts, but it only makes sense that the creation of Varus was a consquence of the start of the Noxian Invasion.

Feel free to disagree, tho.

Hovering HentaiFeb 4, 20181 votes

I want to know what my favourite bursty bitch Syndra is up to.

I also really want Zed to try and take her on cos he wildly underestimated her and get imploded....

Blue Moon WolfFeb 4, 20181 votes

I'd like to see a few things with MonkeyKing :

the return of Wukong's lore based decoys. The lore set up a cool concept with him not having decoys from the start and I hope Riot follows through on that as something like him gaining the decoys through training or something
Explaining why he's listed as friends with . Been a nagging question for years for me and Riot seems to be keeping quite on it and not removing it, so I ASSUME they do have plans to do something with it at some point.
More interaction with Wukong's tribe. Wukong's tribe looks interesting as they seem to be of a different mind set then Wukong on almost every level. It would be amazing to see how his tribe interacts with him and to learn more of their culture
Wukong finally gaining Wuju Mastery. This one is a bit far fetched and unlikely to happen, but I think it would be really cool to see Wukong finally gaining the rank of master and taking on a pupil of his own. Or they could just pull a star wars and let him take on a pupil, but not give him the rank of master :p

GreenLoreFeb 4, 20181 votes

Wukong got already a lore update,so I doubt he'll get another one.

Blue Moon WolfFeb 4, 20181 votes

It's not like they don't add in more lore for characters over time. Champs aren't supposed to be a one off story and be done and Wukong and Master Yi's story is honestly just starting. There is all sorts of things that can be done. On top of that, that's exactly what it was. an update. it was pretty much putting him into the universe by rewriting his old lore for a new lore that is more up to date and did far from add content to his lore (it actually removed more then added to be honest).

It's more likely that Wukong will get more lore as he needed for events is what I'm guessing. for example, Garen got updated already and you wouldn't expect him to get more right now, but if they had a Demacian update involving the big name players in Demacia, he would need to be there. Wukong and Master Yi are not currently very big characters but at the very least Master Yi should be as he is the last remaining master of Wuju, which was looked at as the countries militia while they were around. Any big event that would likely come up in Ionia he would be a part of and Wukong would obviously tag along as he is his apprentice.

GreenLoreFeb 4, 20181 votes

Its just that Wukong isn't a major character in the ionia lore and I really doubt that they'd give us much of an expansion on him.

He will probably appear in Master Yis lore update,but I don't expect him to be even on Riots radar as they likely put their focus on the champs that still didn't receive a lore update after the retcon.

Blue Moon WolfFeb 4, 20181 votes

We've seen Riot updating lores for champs who have gotten updates all the time. It's not that far fetched to believe Wukong would get the same treatment, especially when he's pretty much their Chinese marketing tool most of the time. It may not be in the direct lore, but they have been doing multiple things to update other champs lores since then, including comics, short videos and stuff like that.

On top of that, the very fact that he isn't a major character in ionia is exactly why they should use him. Yi alone is a character who should be VERY important in Ionia as seeing as he's pretty much the last of what is considered Ionia's militia and would end up including Wukong by proxy.

Riot has been working to make Wukong feel more like he belongs in the world rather then having him feel like a guest character and there is no reason to say they won't continue that. Finally, Riot can't "update unretconed lores" forever. Eventually everyone will be up to date and that is when we REALLY can start seeing new lore for every champ and to say that he will never get new lore is just trying to give my hopes up. He's a character in this game. every character gets new/expanded lore eventually. It's not wrong to expect the same for Wukong. It's wrong to act like what's there is all he needs cause quite frankly if that was all we were ever going to get It would be a huge waste, no matter how good it is now.

GreenLoreFeb 4, 20181 votes

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We've seen Riot updating lores for champs who have gotten updates all the time. It's not that far fetched to believe Wukong would get the same treatment, especially when he's pretty much their Chinese marketing tool most of the time. It may not be in the direct lore, but they have been doing multiple things to update other champs lores since then, including comics, short videos and stuff like that.

On top of that, the very fact that he isn't a major character in ionia is exactly why they should use him. Yi alone is a character who should be VERY important in Ionia as seeing as he's pretty much the last of what is considered Ionia's militia and would end up including Wukong by proxy.

Riot has been working to make Wukong feel more like he belongs in the world rather then having him feel like a guest character and there is no reason to say they won't continue that. Finally, Riot can't "update unretconed lores" forever. Eventually everyone will be up to date and that is when we REALLY can start seeing new lore for every champ and to say that he will never get new lore is just trying to give my hopes up. He's a character in this game. every character gets new/expanded lore eventually. It's not wrong to expect the same for Wukong. It's wrong to act like what's there is all he needs cause quite frankly if that was all we were ever going to get It would be a huge waste, no matter how good it is now.

The thing is that faction lore updates usually only contain bio&color story updates for most of the champs of the faction and one additional lore piece. So for Wukong to get any expansion(aside from the fact that he'll most likely appear in Yis lore pieces),he'd have to be one of the central champs of the additional lore piece,even though he isn't even among the champs getting bio updates.

Also you say that they should use him BECAUSE he isn't a central champ....but why? What reason is there to go for a champ who is less central for ionia,when they want to establish ionia?

Blue Moon WolfFeb 5, 20181 votes

Who exactly IS central to Ionia? Irelia? Karma? There is actually very few champs that could really be considered central to Ionia and most of them have a very well defined story as is (especially counting . Wukong hardly has anything going for him in his lore even after the retcon they gave him which actually took away more then it added in.

But that's just fine because of how they are making Wukong in this lore. He's not a character who has seen battle, made himself well known and has legends told of him around camp fires. He is just starting out his story and we should be seeing as he makes himself known in the world. By leaving him out it not only takes away from this fact, but it leaves him in this spot where we don't know what his overall purpose is in the lore. We KNOW what Karma is about. We Know what Irelia is about. We have no idea what Wukong is even fighting for at this point. The end of his lore was literally left at a cliffhanger where him and Master Yi go on a quest to "look for a purpose to fight". That is not satisfying and from what you are suggesting, that's how his story ends. You don't see a problem with that?

If Riot wants to establish Ionia, they NEED to establish ALL of Ionia, not just pick out who they think are the main characters and toss away all the other characters. That takes away what makes League's lore so good, which is ANY character can be looked at as the main character in their own way. If they did it the way you are suggesting, We'd never have any lore for anyone aside from a champs like Garen and Darius and everyone else would be side characters that serve no purpose in the story.

GreenLoreFeb 5, 20181 votes

Central to Ionia would likely be champs like Irelia (who also gets a VGU),since she is a high ranking ionian general, Karma since she is one of the ionian leaders and maybe LeeSin cause in the old lore,he was actually essential to defeat Noxus(though we don't know what'll happen with him in the new one)

Though maybe they could also focus on MasterYi since he is one of the more iconic ionia champs(in which case Wukong could actually get some development)

And they just can't focus on ALL of ionia,they don't have the resources for that,as they also have to focus on other aspects of the lore. We are lucky if they update the bios&short storys of all the ionian champs who still didn't get a new one after the retcon,but even that is unlikely.

If they did it the way you are suggesting, We'd never have any lore for anyone aside from a champs like Garen and Darius and everyone else would be side characters that serve no purpose in the story.

Funny how you mention Garen and Darius,when they were actually among the first to get additional lore pieces(heck Darius got an additional lore piece before he got an updated bio&short story). Garen was featured in the demacia bonus story(as well as Lux,who is also pretty important) and Darius was the main character of one of the comics.

Overall I'm not saying that they'll never get to Wukongs lore,just that he is unlikely to be among the first ionia champs to get additional lore.

Tesla EffectFeb 4, 20181 votes

Map of Ionia, that would be great.

MountainHallFeb 4, 20181 votes

Seeing how Riot will retcon something important and are met with appropriate backlash, followed by them giving vague statements that essentially tell the fans that their criticisms are invalid and that they will try better next time.

Raven RedeemedFeb 4, 20181 votes

I’d like to know about Ionia’s government. It’d be neat if they had a less powerful central government and instead self-governed by region/tribe/city. I’d also like to know how Syndra and Zed know each other assuming their relationship (in whatever form it takes) is still canon. And anything on Jhin would be interesting.

EvsteaFeb 4, 20181 votes

I want to see a different color shade of Yasuo Yasuo skins, maybe expand his lore a bit more.

NylisaFeb 4, 20181 votes

As others said so as well , Karma , Soraka , Irelia , almost all champions of Ionia are long overdue for a good lore update, the region itself as well.

i find Ionia to be the most interesting region of Runettera as its culture kinda resembles eastern asian countries as well.which i love way too much. would love to see more of Ionia as well just like the Targon update. its history, the people's clothing, some of the breathtakings views.

GreenLoreFeb 5, 20181 votes

So now with the noxian lore update we actually know that riot plans to keep the faction updates smaller,while giving us more of them in exchange.

With that in mind,I think it is likely that we might get 2 ionia updates this year,1 with Irelia and one with Akali .

The Irelia one would likely cover some of the more central/iconic champs of Ionia( Karma LeeSin MasterYi ?),while the akali one would likely focus on the kinkou( Zed Kennen lore updates?)