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GreenLore7 votes

Honestly its not as bad as dark star threshs lantern and Syndras regular spheres.

TheEdgeOfDestiny3 votes

Actually it worse if you think about it. You can have multiple spheres/eggs but only one lantern. Also color of lantern is more distinct.

Riotmoonstones5 votes

Hi hi!

Thanks for the feedback! We've been working throughout development to differentiate them, but I can sync up with the VFX artist and see if there's anything else he can do to push the differentiation further.

Valor Bot1 votes

Hi Katey <3 maybe you guys can distinguish them a bit more by pushing the purple gradient at the bottom of the eggs further, making it more of an ombre effect?

Riotmoonstones2 votes

Hello! <3 I'd be more than happy to toss the suggestion over - we have a meeting in ~10 minutes to talk about if/what we could do at this point!

Zerenza1 votes

Why not do what you did to Star Guardian Poppy and change the color? Star Guardian Poppy's animations were originally yellow but the comunity said it would make more sense if they were blue, so you guys changed it to blue.

Zyra's Dragon skin looks purple, so why not change the sphere's to Pinkish/ Purple instead? Or to the color of her hair.

Riotmoonstones4 votes

Skins are a case by case basis, and just because we did x on one skin, doesn't mean we'd do it to all. In the case of this skin, we're confident in the color scheme overall, but are discussing potential ways to differentiate the passive and the (W) eggs. There should be a WIP version on PBE in terms of design, but we're still pushing color variations.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

Hey! I know you. Kinda. :))

Problem isn't big. I'm more concerned about clarity and fear there could be situations that will lead to player's frustration. The thing is - in heat of teamfights there could be several issues: -miscalculation: opponents may feel that there are more Syndra spheres then actually are -wrong one: people may take Syndra spheres for Zyra "plants" (especially when covered by brush)

P.S.: Thank you.

Riotmoonstones3 votes

Heyo! :)

I totally agree, as does the team. We are working on design changes for the passive and (W). You'll see a WIP design on the PBE soon, but we're still working on differentiating the colors a bit more. I'm totally open to feedback regarding the shading/design, just keep in mind the actual hues will be changing, again, to make is distinct as to which egg is on the map/ensure they aren't 100% reading like Syndra orbs.

Penta Ace1 votes

Katey I had a quick question about Zyras new death animation. Was it at all inspired by the New Dawn Cinematic? Also, was there ever any discussion about whether a not a flower show grow in place of her body to signify a possible rebirth type of thing? Just wondering. :P

Riotmoonstones4 votes

Hiya! Nope, any similarity was pure coincidence. :o We'd discussed a few routes for what we could do for the death animation, and IIRC, a flower was considered, but we decided to take the route of her being brought back into the ground since she no longer has a zombie passive, and now simply dies. D:

devil hosting1 votes

WOT IN TARNATION IS THIS last time I checked up here we had a great discussion about the best skin ever to be thought of DRAGONSLAYER Mordekaiser but no we get this namby pamby dragon loving ex-plant creator and then what is even more DISGRACEFUL is this XinZhao creature gets A DRAGONSLAYER SKIN THIS SISSY IS SO TRASH THAT HE HAS TO KNOCK AWAY ALL ENEMIES TO KILL YOU GUY! My man Morde just 1v5's to victor. You have done Mordekaiser a dishonor ._.

Penta Ace2 votes

omg ty for the reply! Its cool how it was a coincidence since the deaths look sooo similar lmao XD

Sukishoo3 votes

They don't look at all a-like to me.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

See my comment to Vhan8765 below.

Sukishoo3 votes

I've seen what they look like in-game myself on the PBE back-to-back and didn't find any issues.

Syndra's even as you can see in the images are a swirling ball of water. Zyra's "were" a clear dome-like egg now a more solidified egg. I still don't see them as being too similar to differentiate in-game. One is also popped up from the ground the other is splashed upon it, so there is a pretty clear idea of which is which.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

Have you read my comment?

PBE is kinda mixed bag of players. It's not competitive.

Sukishoo3 votes

Yes, I did and again I've played it on the PBE and had no issues telling the two apart. You don't need a competitive environment to test things and see how they work out. I for one don't even play ranked that heavily, so there's no point in bringing anything competitive into this.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

The thing is there is a vast majority of player groups. You fit only one of those groups. I am thinking about possibilities of this affecting other groups of players also.

Trust me there is a big difference between ranked and normals in terms of competition and skill. And even bigger competition on pro scene. Even pro players make mistakes. And it wouldn't be fun for pro players to be deceived by a skin. I mean if skin would give a gameplay advantage - it's not healthy.

getrektnoobsGG3 votes

because of the animations it should be clear ingame i think.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

I was thinking about it. I feel it's more complicated when action happens. See my below response for details.

getrektnoobsGG2 votes

ye but ingame you should be able to tell instantly from the ray that comes out of the plants while the spheres are animated all around and in motion.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

Please read original reply before arguing further. It's pretty clear what can cause problem.

P.S.: Spheres are also animated.

Vhan87652 votes

Hmm... I want to say the size difference along with the difference in subtitle between the two should be enough.

Syndra's spheres are decently sized, plus they have all the various moving watery effects in/on them. Zyra's plant seeds dragon eggs are pretty small plus very subtitle on texture and movement.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

You a comparing static images. Or videos. Not ingame. Your brain won't have that much free resource at times. :)

Did you know that you can become colorblind for a moment when brain needs to process more information? When you're in danger for example. Did you know that when you read your brain doesn't read whole word but rather start and end part and figures out meainng using memory and context. I want to say there will be subtle but still be confusion when these objects happen to be in one screen.

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