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@Riot - Thank You For Varus Lore

Winterkill··12 votes·651 views

So many people are going to downvote this thread and not actually read it, just because of the title alone. What I love is that the people who haven't read the new lore and don't intend to actually read lore, are going to make comments about lore. If these people actually take the time to sit down and really read the lore, they would see that Varus is not homosexual but the human souls are. They will also see that it is a story about overcoming adversity and using love to do it. There is a internal conflict between the two souls and the Darkin. The Darkin half of the character is on a path of revenge and creating chaos.

Please stand firm on this lore change and do not change it. It seems to me from all the comments and hate being made, people who don't actually read lore prefer a straight man with a wife and kids is better representation than the new lore. When in reality the Darkin could of had a child and wife and lost them.

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PaffWasTaken4 votes

Yet again someone who believes that the problem is homosexuality... If you actually looked at the complains that people are making, you would've understand that the real problem is the fact that Riot just crossed big red X on Varus' old lore, which was definitely one of the community's favorite, just to replace it entirely with something way too different. All in all, it wasn't a reworked lore, but just a whole new character who replaced the old one. I can understand that Riot wants to get closer to the LGBT community for whatever reason, but they just destroyed something they already created to do it instead of just creating a whole new character who could've done the job too. But noooo, like a lot of rewritten lore lately, Varus just got erased from Runeterra's lore just to reappear as someone else, a someone else who's sole utility and interest community-wise is to appeal to a group of players who weren't directly able to identify to a character. It's great that they bring homosexuality to the lore, its something they never directly did before, but now they just chose a character randomly, erased it and replaced it entirely.

So let people complain, they deserve to do it. Most of them just lost a champion they really liked before and they want it back. Sorry for bad english

Rockman4 votes

Who gives a fuck about homosexual characters?

We care that a character that was a father figure turned into an amalgamation. His League Judgement was my favorite lore piece to come out of this game. Add in he constantly looks at a locket of his family and tries to control the corruption of his body and he was my favorite character in the lore.

Now try and explain why he has blight. Try and explain why he has corruption in any format. Varus made that body, why would he have demon pants?

Meanwhile Riot's lore team is running all over the place retconning the lore THEY JUST WROTE

Varus is the name for all 3 characters now. Um what?

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO2 votes

I really enjoy how this lore opens up a new layer of conflict in Runeterra: The Darkin Resurgence. Who's going to be on the trail of the Darkin? Are the Darkin all searching for eachother? How do they intend to bring about the end if there's only 5 of them? These are questions I'm excited to see answered.

Iota Theta3 votes

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I really enjoy how this lore opens up a new layer of conflict in Runeterra: The Darkin Resurgence. Who's going to be on the trail of the Darkin? Are the Darkin all searching for eachother? How do they intend to bring about the end if there's only 5 of them? These are questions I'm excited to see answered.

They’re also questions that could have been answered with minor tweaks to his previous lore.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO2 votes

Which is why I believe the new and old lores aren't very different at all.

Iota Theta3 votes

Yet they decided to give old Varus the X. Who he was, who people grew attached to, is gone. And it was an unnecessary change.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO2 votes

Honestly I don't think there's a huge difference between the two lores without really blowing it out of proportion. I'm sorry to the people who were attached to it, I don't care.

Iota Theta1 votes

It’s a huge difference.

  1. Varus was the temple warden. Now Varus is the name of the Darkin that somehow fused two bodies together to make his form.
  2. Varus’s wife and son were killed by an invading Noxian force. Val and Kai are both still alive and are actually together within Varus’s built body.
  3. Old Varus willingnly sacrificed himself to the corruption in order to both protect it and stop Noxus. Kai and Val were taken by the Darkin because Kai carried a dying Val to the pit hoping it would save him.
  4. Old Varus only wanted Noxus to be done (although the lore only states he sought those involved in the invasion), and at that time, Noxus was considered evil in the lore. Now they’re militaristic in a sense, but to an Ionian who had his home invaded, that is all he sees. Now, Varus basically wants all humans dead, and sheds no tears about killing innocents other than the fact that he says it makes Val and Kai rebel more. In fact, he travels to Shurima and kills a bunch if random people. Nothing to do with Ionia anymore there.
Rebonack3 votes

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I really enjoy how this lore opens up a new layer of conflict in Runeterra: The Darkin Resurgence. Who's going to be on the trail of the Darkin? Are the Darkin all searching for eachother? How do they intend to bring about the end if there's only 5 of them? These are questions I'm excited to see answered.

I'm sure not. I've despised the Darkin as a concept ever since Aatrox was released. The name, visuals, everything about them is just so unimaginably cringe worthy. I was able to cope with Rhaast because he's hilariously self-aware of how bad he is. But I can't stand the Darkin being played straight, they're just so awful.

Why do we need another otherworldly threat? We already have the Void for that. Why do we need another race of eeeeeeevil spiritual beings? We already have the demon for that. Why do we need some shitty OCs as champions? I sure don't know.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO2 votes

Well when you describe it like that yah I guess it sounds redundant and stupid, but so does anything. I think the difference between the Darkin and the Void is that I don't see the Darkin as personally leading an army to conquer the world. What I would like to happen is that they begin influencing conflicts in a way that perpetuates and magnifies that.

Rebonack2 votes

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Well when you describe it like that yah I guess it sounds redundant and stupid, but so does anything. I think the difference between the Darkin and the Void is that I don't see the Darkin as personally leading an army to conquer the world. What I would like to happen is that they begin influencing conflicts in a way that perpetuates and magnifies that.

Varus' lore specifically talks about the Darkin sending an expeditionary force to conquer Runeterra. They're an otherworldly threat that's black and red instead of black and purple.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO1 votes

Well that's the old Darkin threat, I was talking about the new one.

Iota Theta2 votes

A technicality. When people refer to Varus, they mean the host, because that’s who Varus always was. They don’t mean the Darkin, as the Darkin was just given that name recently.

I find it interesting that people love the idea of using love to overcome the adversity of the Darkin, as I find that even more cliche than a man who sacrificed then goes on a vengeance streak until the power takes over.

I read his old lore, and it could have showed a different aspect of the Darkin transformation:

Aatrox - already consumed his host Kayn/Rhaast - battling for control Varus - accepting his fate but trying to do what he can with the time that he has left.

Plus, having been a father for a year now, I connected with his old lore much better. It would take immense faith and willpower to not go beserk on the guy that lead to my family’s death. The thought of losing a child is immensely tragic and, as others have stated, we have a severe lack of parents/former parents in League. Azir and Varus are the only confirmed parents (or Varus was), while Darius is assumed to have a child. That’s it. And one was taken from that group.

His lore was X’d when it was not necessary to do so. That is why people are mad.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO2 votes

League of Legends could use some more compelling love stories is what I think.

Iota Theta2 votes

Possibly, but they could’ve done it without removing a beloved anti-hero.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO1 votes

He wasn't an anti-hero, he was a rising villain.

Rockman2 votes

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He wasn't an anti-hero, he was a rising villain.

?_?

If the Punisher is an anti-hero how was Varus not an anti-hero

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO1 votes

Because Varus wasn't killing criminals, he was killing Noxians, Soldiers, and I very much doubt he would've spared non-combatants.

Rockman1 votes

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Because Varus wasn't killing criminals, he was killing Noxians, Soldiers, and I very much doubt he would've spared non-combatants.

Yeah because the Noxian's killing non-combatants doesn't make them villains.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO1 votes

Did every Noxian kill a civilian? Does every Noxian feel completely unrepentent over this? Does killing civilians make you a villain? Varus wasn't an antihero, he was an origin story of villainy.

Besides if you can't see how the Punisher is supposed to ride the line between bad and good then you need to re-read punisher.

Rockman2 votes

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Did every Noxian kill a civilian? Does every Noxian feel completely unrepentent over this? Does killing civilians make you a villain?

using child soldiers and chemical weapons makes you a villain lmao, you have to actually do something about that shit thats going on like Darius' love interest to be even slightly redeemed.

Besides if you can't see how the Punisher is supposed to ride the line between bad and good then you need to re-read punisher.

Almost like... wait for it... an anti-hero.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO1 votes

But civilians in Noxus don't make any of those decisions. They're just trying to live their lives. If you're truly about to paint the entirety of Noxus as evil then you haven't gotten the message behind any of the latest Noxus updates.

Let me reiterate. Varus would definitely kill civilians, making him a villain, an antagonist, a bad guy.

Rockman1 votes

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But civilians in Noxus don't make any of those decisions. They're just trying to live their lives. If you're truly about to paint the entirety of Noxus as evil then you haven't gotten the message behind any of the latest Noxus updates.

Let me reiterate. Varus would definitely kill civilians, making him a villain, an antagonist, a bad guy.

Name a civilian role in Noxus. Noxus is literally designed to have EVERYBODY become a soldier, and the people who do not agree die. There is no room for negotiation, no quarter. You become a part of the Noxian War Machine. Where in the hell did you get that Noxus wasn't evil? Every single piece of new lore that comes out of it is painting the entirety of it evil.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO2 votes

Farmers? Bankers? Traders? Noxus isn't some total war warhammer race of demons. It's an expansionist empire, it's like the Roman/Persian Empire. One of the big points with new Noxus is that it isn't just the evil counterpart to Demacia, it has its own culture and society.

People who don't want to be soldiers are considered weak, we know you don't have to be a soldier, as Draven demonstrates. Noxus isn't about only the strong surviving, that's Urgot. Noxus is centered on the idea of the superior of merit ruling inherently over the inferior. With Noxus we see how that idea's influence on a society affects it.

Rockman1 votes

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Farmers? Bankers? Traders? Noxus isn't some total war warhammer race of demons. It's an expansionist empire, it's like the Roman/Persian Empire. One of the big points with new Noxus is that it isn't just the evil counterpart to Demacia, it has its own culture and society.

Its culture is built on taking others culture. They stole the capital from Mord. Their flags are the combination of flags from the different conquered armies. They don't have a unifying culture aside from fear of stepping out of line. Like the only reason they trade is to get funds for war so they can take over the people they trade with. They don't trade because a civilian decided to become a trader. They trade with Piltover, where they also send warmasons in to plan the invasion.

Its also cute you think that Noxus would have something as stupid as a bank or wages. And before you bring up the Ivory Ward District, I will kindly remind you that the Journal of Justice is non-canon.

People who don't want to be soldiers are considered weak, we know you don't have to be a soldier, as Draven demonstrates.

... Draven became the executioner of Noxus. What the fuck are you talking about.

Noxus isn't about only the strong surviving, that's Urgot. Noxus is centered on the idea of the superior of merit ruling inherently over the inferior. With Noxus we see how that idea's influence on a society affects it.

Yeah I'm sure a culture that engages in The Fleshing where they pit prisoners of war against each other isn't about the strong surviving.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO2 votes

Read the new Draven Lore (new bio has him leaving the army and becoming a "reckoner"

Cassiopeia's new color story mentions taverns and money, so I don't know where you pulled that whole "no wages" thing besides your ass.

They send warmasons everywhere because the Empire is built under expansion, they don't send armies to places that willingly capitulate.

You're making it seem like the Noxian empire is like brainwashing people into a sort of hive mind when that is so far from the truth. Have you read any of the new Noxian lore?

The Fleshing isn't confirmed as a thing besides the Reckoners (Volunteer gladiators), which is likely where Xin will end up.

Having gladiatorial games isn't about the strong surviving its about entertaining people. Noxus doesn't care if you're weak, it only (theoretically) cares if you are in a position of power you didn't earn. You rise through the ranks in Noxus by being strong, not just of body but in mind, in cunning, in sense.

Iota Theta1 votes

Varus before this update was said to be seeking out those involved in the invasion..and killing them in a twisted sense of justice and vengeance. Sounds very much like an anti-hero to me.

SeedyVirtuoso1 votes

If he was already more than one soul in a body, i wouldnt give 2 shits if they were all transsexual golfballs ffs. I care that instead of expanding on lore, they just change it. Varus was a man who gave up everything for vengance. He wasnt what theyre saying now. Ive been upset with some of the lore changes for awhile now. When they reworked WW's lore, that basically made soraka a useless goat zebra who did nothing heroic to stop his rampage for he was a man before and raka changed him to reflect his inner self. The point of the matter is it feels very thrown together to match OW's tracer. We knew she was a lezbo it was so obv. But idgaf. I care they completely change lore.

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