The real questions lore should answer: who invented the Tactical Combat Spin?

MrSc0tty··76 votes·6,619 views

Edit: ok we've got some good discussion going below. I'm going to hypothesize that in the world of league of legends it is common martial Knowledge that a spinning object will always deal more damage than a non spinning one. With that in mind, I will add a few champions.

Thesis: upon examining the available source information I have come to the conclusion that SPINNING IS IN FACT A POTENT SOURCE OF MAGICAL POWER IN RUNETERRA. Spinning on most champions actually costs them magical energy (mana). But some, the true "spin masters" of the league of legends like Garen, Riven, Katarina and Tryndamere actually use frequent combat spins to power their moves and enable them to launch massive magical attacks without the need for mana at all.

Conclusion: Garen is indeed the most powerful wizard in Runeterra.

Spinning for combat effect clearly has some deep roots in Runeterran culture. We see spins in champions across all nationalities implying that permutations on the Tactical Spin are employed and practiced as accepted military tactics across Valoran.

Notable combat spin users:

Demacia: Garen (continuous damage mobile crit enabled multi-spin) and Xin Zhao (a variation on the Ionian style utility spin single rotation)

Noxus: Darius (AOE single spin damage rotation coupled with the tight-body single target "flourish spin") Katarina (A single rotation spin as well as a ranged variation on the continuous damage spin-perhaps hinting at an affection for the demacian style spin?, Warwick (Single target flourish spin as well as a critical hit spin) and of course

Draven: Draven (a double continuous ranged damage amplifying aerodynamic-enhancing spin)

Freljord: Tryndamere (a quick mobility spin used for swift repositioning and damage) and Sejuani (uses a weapon clearly designed for the sole purpose of spinning around her head which , when thrown spinning, causes great devastation)

Ionia: Akali (single rotation simple spin) Zed (another simple spin), Irelia (whose spinning blades grant her a utility spin for a powerful stun) and Wukong (the true spin master of Ionia employs the signature utility focused Ionian style spin coupling it with mobile continuous application spinning)

It's clear that combat spins have a deep history, as Ancient shuriman warriors Renekton and Amumu both employ the more primitive single rotation spins which we can also see reflected in the ancient ninja arts practiced by Akali and Zed. The Yordles with their insular culture seem to have disregarded the spin as a valid tactic and indeed the more modern empires of Piltover and Zaun disdain spins-so combat spinning is an ancient traditional art.

One can also use spins to form clues as to the origins of some champs. Jax, the grandmaster, appears to have pioneered a dual-stage defensive to offensive spin, but note that the offensive portion is a traditional single rotation Ionian utility spin. Also worth noting: what is the only type of melee combat technique not block able by Jax's defensive spin? Yeah. You guessed it.

The spin also clearly has roots in the nature of Runeterran magic as well. Many champs spin to manifest magical energy, including: Ahri, Lulu, Janna, Velkoz, and Twisted Fate.

Can someone at Riot enlighten us on the significance of the spin in Runeterran martial history? Who initially pioneered the trick of the continuous spin? Has the need for rotational balance influenced the design of heavy armor in the nation states of runeterra? It's clear from Darius' joke that the mobile continuous spin has not been mastered by Noxus, how has this technological deficit affected their plans for expansion?

51 Comments

ModThe Djinn12 votes

{quoted}The Yordles with their insular culture seem to have disregarded the spin as a valid tactic and indeed the more modern empires of Piltover and Zaun disdain spins-so combat spinning is an ancient traditional art.

Not entirely! Look at Tristana's critical hit animation: she spins around before firing off the shot.

You also forgot Katarina (mistress of not one but two spins).

MrSc0tty14 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uhpKpAWb,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2014-12-25T07:07:03.966+0000)

Not entirely! Look at Tristana's critical hit animation: she spins around before firing off the shot.

You also forgot Katarina (mistress of not one but two spins).

Tristiana spins AFTER the shot. That isn't a willful spin, it's an accidental spin as the recoil sends Trist reeling. However, due to the Law of Spins that shot will cause more damage.

Also I did not forget Katarina.

Yulen Xoshxius9 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPj6viIBmU This kid. Everyitme I see a character doing the dorky spins I think of htis kid.

Dreamspitter3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Yulen Xoshxius,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uhpKpAWb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2014-12-25T06:01:21.773+0000)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPj6viIBmU This kid. Everyitme I see a character doing the dorky spins I think of htis kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxVf8_aeFS4&spfreload=10

Mahnigguh9 votes

i think Rammus is proof the the Tactical Combat Spin has roots so far back as too even be found in nature...his powerball and tremors are two of the most deadly combat spins in the game, and found in nature no less...

Maple Crusader6 votes

You forgot to include Jax's Counterstrike.

LordHippoman4 votes

Gotta be Garen. Noone spins like Garen. And while, we're on the topic, Yi is the original Dunkmaster, despite what a certain impostor might want you to believe!

Celio Hogane HD1 votes

Yi does not dunk, what Yi do is Dribbling

LordHippoman5 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cw7DTvrdfA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cw7DTvrdfA

I put it in twice so noone scrolls past it. This is League History.

supes the lost1 votes

Rip Revive and Wriggle's Lantern

Blitzidious2 votes

Wiggle's Lantern*

Earthlord Jazz3 votes

Here are some other guys you may want to include: Ahri corkscrews when she ults, though I wouldn't really call it a "true" spin. Perhaps she took inspiration from it? Aside from that, she spins with her W. Nocturne spins with his passive. Sejuani can be included in the Frelijord with her W. Yasuo spins as well when he q's while dashing. Am I missing any others?

Ariel the Cruel3 votes

I don't think Ahri's corkscrew or the Sejuani's whirling ball-and-chain rely count.

The Nocturne one is interesting though, since he's not actually from Runeterra.

Earthlord Jazz1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uhpKpAWb,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2014-12-25T07:47:44.235+0000)

I don't think Ahri's corkscrew or the Sejuani's whirling ball-and-chain rely count.

The Nocturne one is interesting though, since he's not actually from Runeterra.

mmm...good point. It should be the champion spinning definitely, so I guess Sejuani is out. Draven being the exception naturally since he's DRAAAAAVEN and has the freaking spinning axes of doom.

Edit: Oops, Draven spins when he crits I think

MrSc0tty2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Earthlord Jazz,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uhpKpAWb,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2014-12-25T08:03:51.053+0000)

mmm...good point. It should be the champion spinning definitely, so I guess Sejuani is out. Draven being the exception naturally since he's DRAAAAAVEN and has the freaking spinning axes of doom.

Edit: Oops, Draven spins when he crits I think

Actually my running theory includes spin-designed weaponry as well.

Rinky Dinky1 votes

Warwick spins on his critical strike as well

IMTOOJUICY3 votes

Rammus is at his most powerful when he's dancing. Try it, he deals 900 (+ 2% Max HP) AOE dmg per second while dancing.

Tis a nice day2 votes

Somehow Yordles have been left out of the tactical combat spin.

Yulen Xoshxius3 votes

It must be a man thing.

MrSc0tty6 votes

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It must be a man thing.

Of course not! Many females employ combat spins.

Yulen Xoshxius4 votes

Meant man as a race XD sorry, I used to play LOTRO and it was called the race of man

stabby himiko1 votes

'Men' Not man. But close.

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

Tristana's Crit animation.

MrSc0tty1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tis a nice day,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uhpKpAWb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2014-12-25T06:15:30.486+0000)

Somehow Yordles have been left out of the tactical combat spin.

Probably has deep roots in human military history.

Frikgeek1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tis a nice day,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=uhpKpAWb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2014-12-25T06:15:30.486+0000)

Somehow Yordles have been left out of the tactical combat spin.

Not True. Tristana employs the powerful Yordle single spin when critting. By spinning around her own axis she can accelerate her shots but they'll fire diagonally, so she must be firing a bit before facing her target.

Sooko2 votes

Rammus? Although it might not be a combat technique but more of a natural prowess armordillo thing :/

Vauren1 votes

I'm not sure if a roll would be considered just a roll, or an spin that was rotated to become perpendicular to the x-axis instead of parallel to it. It depends on the defining nature of what constitutes a "spin" and if it must be along the x-axis and not the Y.

As far as I'm concerned though, it follows the basic rules of the other spins, which are to increase damage and mobility.

Rainbowgasm2 votes

since Wukong's spin is clearly the most intricate, I think he might have a history with it that dates back before he turned to stone.

Unlike his dunk move and fighting technique, he clearly did not learn it from Yi. Cyclone and a few of his other moves had to be learned from some one else (decoy). How long ago was he imprisoned, and who was his first master?

BLU Medic2 votes

Kog'Maw spins while idle. It may just be him playing, but perhaps he is learning from what other spin-based champions do?

Celio Hogane HD2 votes

Obviusly the thactical combat spin was invented by a winner. because you only can spin to win

KidSpectre2 votes

Something that somehow failed to be noticed: The Twin Dragons in Karma's Mantle of Decorum are constantly spinning! This constant rotational movement passively supplies Karma with constant Spin-Power without wasting extra energy. Activating Mantra causes a brief moment of very rapid spinning to charge up her next spell. This innovative spinning technique, however, seems to the sacrifice raw power and versatility of the single rotation Ionian Utility Spin for consistent energy.

Zilean is another known user of a "Spin Mechanism" to power his spells. Hecarim is a potent Spin User from the Shadow Isles, indicating that the fundamental properties inherent in spin are not limited to living beings. Evelynn uses a spin to gain a burst of movement speed as well.

Hoactzin1 votes

Amumu's is more along the lines of breakdancing imo.

DeathByWaffle3 votes

{quoted}

Amumu's is more along the lines of breakdancing imo.

What do breakdancers do?

That's right.

They spin.

Earthlord Jazz1 votes

So much this

Nagirah1 votes

Spinning is just an easy way to give a champ a circular aoe around them. I doubt the explanation is any more complex than that.

Lunar Propaganda1 votes

You're no fun :(

Noam Braumsky1 votes

Almost all of Wukong's abilities are based off things he presumably learned fighting others, so I'd say he didn't invent it.

ShadowNinetails1 votes

Well the entire basis of different fighting styles is taking things you learned from fighting others and combining them in different ways. Kung fu itself is commonly said to originate from monks watching different animals in nature fighting. Wukong being such an animal, it could just as easily be argued that everyone else copied him.

Well, everyone except Yi lol.

Vauren1 votes

Draven: Draven (a double continuous ranged damage amplifying aerodynamic-enhancing spin)

Best. Thing. Ever. Draven Draven Draven

Stompburger1 votes

lol :)

FusionSuit1 votes

All this spinning reminds me of Steel Ball Run

Best KhaZix Void1 votes

Rek'Sai's Q!

Kha'Zix's W fires a cluster of spikes that corkscrew or "spin" while in flight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKLK9zFiVII evidence

Velivolo1 votes

This thread is amazing.

I am also interested in what you technically define as spinning. Does Vayne's tumble count? Rengar's bola? When Nami casts e on someone, three orbs rotate around the target. Is this a spin?

Edit: What about Renekton's q and e? Q is definitely a spin, so it may have also been used in ancient Shurima.

MrSc0tty2 votes

{quoted}

This thread is amazing.

I am also interested in what you technically define as spinning. Does Vayne's tumble count? Rengar's bola? When Nami casts e on someone, three orbs rotate around the target. Is this a spin?

Edit: What about Renekton's q and e? Q is definitely a spin, so it may have also been used in ancient Shurima.

I think you'll find Renekton and Amumu are already in the thread as examples of ancient usage of the venerable combat spin technique.

My current theory is that, were newton alive in Runeterra, there would be an additional law of motion:

Law 4: an object in spin will cause greater harm than a non-spinning object of equivalent kinetic energy.

Hence why Vayne's tumble causes her next attack to be amplified despite being fired from presumably the same crossbow she was using before. Or why Syndra, the most powerful champion in lore terms, has harnessed the power of spinning ball magic, having no less than three balls in continuous spin around her at all times-the magical energy of the spin causes her to float with NO mana expenditure required.

Stars Shaper1 votes

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Dies to Wolves1 votes

wow, this thread is great and I should have stumbled upon it earlier

steelblacksky1 votes

maybe runeterras creators were just gurren lagann fans.

Amélie Cauchemar1 votes

Evelynn Uses the ancient power of spinning to go faster.

Morgana Has no idea what she is doing.

Mordekaiser Uses telepathy to spin

RekSai Entire combat is based on twirling around

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