Is Ivern the same "race" as Maokai?
What with the magics and the forrest? Does that mean we'll be seeing more of them later on? I think it would be cool to have a new faction created, honestly.
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Sharjo5 votesThey could definetly both be nature spirits, though any clarification about what Ivern actually is has yet to be revealed. I suppose it depends on how spirits conduct themselves in the League universe and how Ivern fits in to that.
A faction for spirits is highly unlikely. I feel like factions are irrelevant when discussing Ivern anyway considering how specific they are. Ivern likely doesn't belong to any particular nation and probably holds no affiliation to anything other than life and nature.
Sèx Craved Eve1 votesThey could definetly both be nature spirits, though any clarification about what Ivern actually is has yet to be revealed. I suppose it depends on how spirits conduct themselves in the League universe and how Ivern fits in to that.
A faction for spirits is highly unlikely. I feel like factions are irrelevant when discussing Ivern anyway considering how specific they are. Ivern likely doesn't belong to any particular nation and probably holds no affiliation to anything other than life and nature.
Forrest spirits Vs. the Shadow isles. Would be hype.
Sharjo1 votesBut neither of those are factions. One is a coalition of spirits while the other is a region of Runeterra.
Would be hype yes, but I'm just clearing the air about what a faction actually is, and Runeterra has...not very many that I can bring to mind.
Sèx Craved Eve1 votesBut neither of those are factions. One is a coalition of spirits while the other is a region of Runeterra.
Would be hype yes, but I'm just clearing the air about what a faction actually is, and Runeterra has...not very many that I can bring to mind.
HYPE AF
AntiSkillshot4 votesProbably not. I mean, Ivern probably isn't Oak.
What? You'll didn't know Maokai is an anagram for "I am Oak"?
Dominick Destine1 votesWhat? You'll didn't know Maokai is an anagram for "I am Oak"?
Whoa, I time traveled back to 2012 ?!
MEI 4 HONGKONG1 votesAnagram: Ivern = Riven?
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Anagram: Ivern = Riven?
Being as riven means "Was ruined or torn apart". Ivern does not appear to embody this word, so I doubt this was intentional. As such, his name isn't an anagram for anything.
MEI 4 HONGKONG1 votesYes. Riven was "ruined" by her experience in the Ionian war and "torn apart" by her loyalty to her command versus the injustice she was witnessing. "...on a quest to seek atonement and a way to save the pure Noxian vision in which she believed," Riven set herself in a self imposed exile severing ties with her gruesome Noxian past. Ivern, Friend of the Forest, is no stranger to the destruction caused by the arrogance of man. He too witnessed the consumption of death by wonton extermination. Perhaps Riven will find atonement in bringing justice to those whom destroyed his home....
xNykyrian 3 votesIvern= viner ?...a vinegrower.... HES GOT VINE POWAZ. (riot sovled)
Iwinatlife421 votesbut it is an amalgamation of Ivy and Fern
DwarvenGiant2 votesHe seems like some spirit sort of creature. But yeah, Maokai is a spirit (as well as Kindred, Bard, Skaarl and possibly Anivia), and they both seem to have taken the form of a treant.
He seems like the more lively, uncorrupted and possibly wiser (yet not innocent) counterpart of Maokai. We'll have to wait for his VO and lore to really see, though, I guess. :P
I love him already regardless. :>
Veraska2 votesit's possbile, those who read maokai's new lore know he was a nature spirit on the blessed isles that now lives semi corrupted trying to reverse the damage of the ruination.
you could argue if nature spirits existed on the blessed isles they could exist in other places.
YouCantClickThis2 votesRiot has eluded to other natural spirits in the past with Maokai's old lore but I wouldn't be so quick to attach the two spirits together. One has much more of a humanoid figure to him, and one has more of a tree-like look to him. Definitely don't think they are family. To better explain it, Ivern looks like a human turned into a tree, Maokai just looks like a tree became alive. Also, Maokai seems to get upset when any form of life whether it be trees or animals that are being harmed, Ivern seems to mostly care about these animals and less about nature itself. That's my take at least.
Corghan1 votesTo better explain it, Ivern looks like a human turned into a tree, Maokai just looks like a tree became alive.
I think you got that right. Sounds like Ivern was turned into a tree when he, "tangled with a God-Willow." Maokai was a nature spirit who inhabited an existing tree.
MEI 4 HONGKONG2 votesOk so, apparently I'm really psyched by this champ cause I think I figured out a couple more things about him. On his "gauntlet" there appears to be either the image of or the growth of the Amanita muscaria. This is a type of psychotropic mushroom, an entheogen (Fully matured, it looks just like the ones in Mario Bros., red cap white dots "warts"). An entheogen is any chemical substance used in a religious, shamanic, or spiritual context to induce a transcendent state. In western Siberia its use was restricted to the shamans. This held true for the sorcerers of the Sami people in Inari, Finland as well reportedly some Native American tribes of the Sub-Arctic. (Vikings were also known to consume it before battle and go into a berserker rage. Apparently the consumption of 15 meant death. So where am I going with all this?...
- Shaman Treant
- Possibly one entheogen ability (Maybe something like Teemo's Toxic Shock?)
- Ult does 100% damage at Lvl 15
- Riot artists love Mario Bros.
- This guy might just be pretty bad a**
Well, that's all I got for now. See ya in the Rift! GGHF
GULAG 4 U1 votesSpecies is a better word, just saying.
Sèx Craved Eve1 votesSpecies is a better word, just saying.
that too
GULAG 4 U1 votesWell talking about the thread, I think maokai is from the blessed isles while I don't know, isn't the new champ not from the blessed isles? So he's technically NOT the same species of maokai?
Sharjo1 votesWe don't know where Ivern's from at all, though he's likely not really from anywhere and is more of a wanderer, or perhaps someone who can manifest itself in different areas of Runeterra as he pleases.
GULAG 4 U1 votesWell in that case we can conclude that they are just beings that are a bit similar then?
Sharjo1 votesYeah the likelihood is, given his appearance and powers, that he's of the same kind of existence as Maokai.
Ok let me rephrase that so it's not weird. Ivern's probably a nature spirit like Maokai.
GULAG 4 U1 votesWell isn't Maokai some monk who became a tree?
Whyte Lyon1 votesYou talking about Maokai or Yorickai?
GULAG 4 U1 votesMaokai, I don't remember his lore but i'm pretty sure he;s that guy who became a tree.
Whyte Lyon1 votes
Ralanr1 votes...why?
The Black Warden1 votesNo, he was always a tree. I logged in just to say that you're completely wrong.
GULAG 4 U1 votesOh lol woops
Whyte Lyon1 votesThat sounds like a description for Zyra.
OurLestrade1 votesDoubt it.
Mordepool1 votesForest spirit. Could be just different geographical locations. Or te same who knows we dont have a map
Weathered1 votesMost likely not. Maokai is part of the shadow isles.
Tesla Effect1 votesIf you can even call natural spirits as a race....then yes, kinda. It doesnt work the same as it does with directly organic beings. There is no such thing as a Race when you are a spirit.
Dominick Destine1 votesI thought Maokai was cursed into being a Treant.
This guy seems to be a natural Treant.
The Last Ballad1 votesThat was the old lore, new lore has him a treant that created the blessed isles forest, and was almost destroyed by the black mist, save but for the nodule of healing spring water he holds inside him.
Hige1 votesConsidering that Maokai was a Tree magically brought to life on the shadow isles and that Ivern seems to live in some sort of jungle, I'd say they are very different species of tree :P not to mention that they were brought to life by different methods... possibly.
YouCantClickThis1 votesConsidering that Maokai was a Tree magically brought to life on the shadow isles and that Ivern seems to live in some sort of jungle, I'd say they are very different species of tree :P not to mention that they were brought to life by different methods... possibly.
No, he was always a magical tree but the shadow isles made him a corrupted magical tree.
MEI 4 HONGKONG1 votesIvern: Friend of the Forest...
He definitely seems to be a treant and judging by the "gauntlet" on his left arm, possibly of Maokai's lineage. I must say, he's quite breath-takingly majestic and seems to be more of a shaman than Maokai. From the video it seems his abilities may include something similar to Zyra's Grasping Roots (soldier being strangled by roots) and possibly also her Stranglethorns (at the end of the video he seems to summon the growth of the brush at will). I also believe he will be capable of granting buffs to monster camps as he looks to be protecting the cubs of a murk wolf. Waiting with bated breath for this one. On another note, it would be FANTASTIC if he and Mao had boss interactions (voice as well as gameplay) when played either on the same team or 1v1. Riot....please? 
Corghan1 votesI can't wait to hear his full lore. So far we can confirm that Ivern & Maokai are both treants, but they became treants in opposite ways. Maokai was once a peaceful nature spirit who escaped the cataclysm by animating a great tree, and is now a creature of rage and vengance. Ivern was once a cruel (man?) who was transformed by a great tree and is now a loving protector of forest creatures.
The Tolkien geek in me sees them very much as Tom Bombadil (Ivern) and Old Man Willow (Maokai). :)
temp1241251 votesDoes that mean new side quest like the RenKha one?
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