"She doesn't use wind, like the lore said, 'Yone spoke: “The Elder was killed by a wind technique. Who else could it be?”'!"
Meanwhile, Riven with her Wind Slash and Yasuo with his VO saying "Another wind blade?"
Totally can't have been Riven.
Salidfingers5 votesRiven has done things she is not proud of.
plus riven is in yasuo spotlight and usually when riot puts another champion in a spotlight they usually have a connection.
SaltyToplaneGoat4 votesNah, Riven was too busy commanding her troops on the battlefield at that time. The old guy Yasuo was supposed to protect was murdered away from the battle by some kind of assassin while Yasuo was out on a drunk killing-spree.
I get the feeling that there is another wind user and Ionia (I still say it was Ao Shin. That guy seems to have his own agenda for Ionia. I mean, he seems to be integal for lore as Riot is STILL working on him somehow...)
GreenLore1 votesIts not like there is just one battlefield. Yasuo left because he wanted to paricipate in a fight and after that battle was over he returned to the elders hiding place,implying that this battle did take place near the elders hiding place.
Dextix LT1 votesNo, but elder was not on the battlefield, and come on. RIven is not an assasin, she is a fcking female tank. For her to sneak and kill yasuos master and then get out while being undetected all time is an impossible feat.
GreenLore1 votesBut he was close to the battlefield. Its easy for rivens unit to simply stumble upon the hiding place of the elder,when they tried to go to/leave from the battlefield,or that they were ordered to search the surroundings for enemies and found him while doing that.
And no one said the elder was assassinated in a sneaky way. For all we know riven and her unit could have just marched in,killing all the remaining guards(if he had ones) and straight up kill the elder with her sword.
Think about it,if the elder had any guards that survived the incident,then they could have confirmed that Yasuo ran to the battlefield.
Dextix LT1 votesIf they wouldnt have assasinated the elder sneakily, dont you think that the ionians would then know about noxians doing this shit?
Also, as far as i remember in the story no guards were mentioned, there was only 1 body, the masters body. Meaning he had no guard, he was hiding, its easier to hide when you are alone.
The only way for yasuo to be blamed and noone else to be suspected is the assination being sneaky. Because riven and her squad is was the equivavalent of todays artilery strike. If you send her, the enemies will know what the hell it is. Riven isnt sneaky and if she isnt sneaky, she will be noticed.
Also remember that she was a front lines hero, she was an ace in the battlefield. Dont you think Ionian command would notice if one of the most important soldiers would just dissapear from the battlefield.
The pieces just dont add up. Riven would eb the prime suspect but she couldnt have done it. She would have no motivation to hunt for hidden masters, that is the job of assasins. Even if she would hunt for them, noxus would be instantly accused because when riven comes it would be impposible to say that it wasnt her. And even if that would happen, how would she manage to kill the elder in such a clean and DELIBERATE way that yasuo would be blamed?
RIvens fighting style is simmilar to yasuos but its completely different. Yasuos style is faster, more precise, it relies on agility. RIvens style is strong and devastating, it relies on brute strenght. If riven would kill the elder, yasuo would never be blamed, the wounds would be completely different.
And no, she wouldnt deliberatly make yasuo the main suspect, she is a soldier, a simple footwoman, not a spy or assasin.
TheDuelist9991 votesIt doesnt have to be sneaky if there are no survivors
Dextix LT1 votesFor yasuo to be blamed it has to be sneaky, because if riven and her squad would come and kill the elder ionians would be fcking sure it wasnt yasuo.
TheDuelist9991 votesKilling everyone that sees has the same effect as not letting anyone see. And if she used wind technique and Yasuo is the only non disemboweled guard who would you think killed the elder. The only argument that's it's not Riven is that it could be anybody who uses wind technique. So it could be a Riven Yasuo or Janna or an unnamed character. So out of the currently available characters who is your number one suspect.
Dextix LT1 votesNumber one is an unknown character. Janna wasnt even near the battle as far as we know. Yasuo is not guilty as we can gather from his story. Riven cannot be guilty because she has a completely different style of wind technique than yasuo (would be recognized) and she isnt an assasin which can quietly kill someone then shift the blame on yasuo.
TheDuelist9991 votesNoxian General: There is a manse on the hill 3 miles east of it. Go and secure it and I will command the battle there. Riven: Ok Rammus: Ok That weird tourist attraction/beach manager/captain guy from Phineas and Ferb: Ok
GreenLore1 votesRiven was not a frontline ace. her lore explicitly mentions how she did mostly the cleanup and slaughtered the helpless. I said the rest in the conversation above,so no need to repeat myself.
Dextix LT1 votesYea, after bombard of hextech she did the cleanups, but she is no pushover, and she didnt always go into clean ups. Because in her lore she and her suqad got surrounded by enemy forces, which wouldnt happen in cleaup scenario.
She also did frontline battles.
GreenLore1 votesWell it is always possible for the ionians to locate the location of her squad and attack them.
In the end Riven was no Ace like you describe her,thats a major plot point that Riven didn't experience the glorious battles that she hoped for and that her work mostly consisted of slaughtering those who can't defend themselves anymore.She wouldn't be someone that the ionians easily recognize or whom abilities are known among the ionians.
Dextix LT1 votesUmmm, she was the poster girl of noxus military. And the fact that ionians were hunting her and got her surrounded already says that she was perceived as a threat.
Also, cleaup operations are not the only ones she was a part of. Bombs were not always available as it can be seen in other episodes of noxian/ionian war where ionians won.
GreenLore1 votesShe was renown among the noxians,but why would the Ionians know her(or her fighting techniques)? Rivens lore doesn't mention that she herself participated in any real battles,even though the zaunite war machines weren't part of every battle,they were still a part of rivens job in the war.
And isn't it obvious that the ionians would target her unit(her judgement confirms that the ionians were the ones who attacked rivens unit)?Not only did her unit kill the helpless,which is a rather heinous act(especially for the ionians),but the war didn't go well for the ionians,so they needed every victory,they would destroy any noxian unit if they got the chance to do so.
Dextix LT1 votesWhat is the purpose of poster people in wars? What is the purpose of heroic stories? It is to instil courage and confidence in your own troops, but its also to show off to the enemy and potentially scare them. This tactic has been used in almost every war possible. There are always some "heroes", which are known.
Riven lore doesnt menton if she participated in any real battles, but neither does it deny that. This is the problem of ambigous lore. While her main job was clening up, she may have fought in battles.
Also, it is just a coincidence, that out of all the untis in awar torn Ionia, they targeted rivens? It would be hard to believe, especially with rivens involvement in the war.
GreenLore1 votesOf course her lore denies that. Her lore is basicaly all about how Riven DID NOT participate in any glorious battles and how her participation in the war was just about slaughtering the helpless.
And Ionians surely fought back at other places of the country,its not like Rivens unit is the only one that faced resistance.
Dextix LT1 votesNo it does not. You see a "glorious" battle is a really broad term with many meanings. FOr her glorious battle might be something like spartans did, defeating a large military force. She might not consider a simple battle a glorious one.
GreenLore1 votesHer lore says that her job consisted of cleaning up the messes.
So we can be sure that she rarely participated in any real battles,if she even participated in any of them at all. Also even if she participated in a few battles,that doesn't turn her into a war legend that fast.
RJ Jenson2 votesYou know, she killed tons of other pepole without any doubt. She made a lot of mistakes in the past, but realized this only when was backstabbed by her own country, that's why she exiled herself from Noxus and borke her sword.
HowPlayGAEM2 votesRiven was busy killing ionians and getting her squad killed in Singed's chemical attack.
Some other chucklefuck killed the elder.
GreenLore4 votesWho says the Elder wasn't one of the Ionians that Riven killed?
HowPlayGAEM5 votesWho says the Elder wasn't one of the Ionians that Riven killed?
Yasuo was charged with guarding an Ionian Elder, but, foolishly believing his blade alone could make the difference, left his post to join the fray. By the time he returned, the Elder had been slain.
Yasuo left his post to join the battle, meaning the Elder was NOT close to the action.
Riven became a leader amongst her peers, poster child of the Noxian spirit.
What began as war quickly became extermination. Noxian soldiers followed the terrifying Zaunite war machines across fields of death. It wasn't the glorious combat for which Riven trained. She carried out the orders of her superiors, terminating the remnants of a beaten and fractured enemy with extreme prejudice. As the invasion continued, it became clear that the Ionian society would not be reformed, merely eliminated. During one bitter engagement, Riven's unit became surrounded by Ionian forces. They called for support as the enemy closed in around them. What they received instead was a barrage of biochemical terror launched by Singed.
All the lore states is that she was a frontline powerhouse, killing everything that moved. I guess its possible she could have been sent as an assassin, but Noxus has REAL assassins, such as Kat and Talon. Trying to pigeonhole Riven's unsubtle brutality into a single-target assassin is kind of silly IMO.
If you want to use the justification that she uses wind techniques, then you'd have to immediately explain WHEN did she learn Ionian techniques? She became disillusioned with Noxus AFTER the war; she wouldn't be learning Ionian techniques beforehand.
Yasuo was the only student in a generation to master the legendary wind technique.
This doesn't sound like an easy to learn technique; unless Riven is a fucking genius, she wouldn't have time to learn it during her career in Noxus.
GreenLore1 votesOf course Yasuo left his post. I'm not saying the battlefield took place just outside of the elders house,but it still had to be close for Yasuo to leave his post and still arrive at the battlefield before it was over,meaning that if you left the battlefield you could probably reach the hiding place of the elder within an hour or 2.
It was never said that the elder was assassinated by some kind of sneak attack.For all we know rivens unit could have went to the elders house,killing every guard that was still there and just straight up kill the elder. I mean if the elder had any other guards who were still alive after all of this,wouldn't they have seen how Yasuo left his post and rushed to the battlefield?
Also Rivens wind technique is not necessarily the same style as yasuos,just because there is only one wind style in Ionia,doesn't mean that other countries can't develop their own wind techniques.
Dextix LT1 votesOf course Yasuo left his post. I'm not saying the battlefield took place just outside of the elders house,but it still had to be close for Yasuo to leave his post and still arrive at the battlefield before it was over,meaning that if you left the battlefield you could probably reach the hiding place of the elder within an hour or 2.
Not necceserally. This is not the modern world. Battles in the old days and in the fantasy worlds take at least 12 hours at minimum (big scale ones). This is not like in strategy game where you can move all your untis strategically and win in thirty minutes. Real war situation is different.
It was never said that the elder was assassinated by some kind of sneak attack.For all we know rivens unit could have went to the elders house,killing every guard that was still there and just straight up kill the elder. I mean if the elder had any other guards who were still alive after all of this,wouldn't they have seen how Yasuo left his post and rushed to the battlefield?
Look, if rivens unit would go with riven to assasinate the elder, the bodies would instantly show away that yasuo had nothing to do with it. Rivens unit were not using the wind technique. Also, how would ionians miss an ace squad, a strong squad like that? Like i said before, riven is not an assasin, sh is not sneaky. If she went to kill someone with her squad she would be noticed.
Also Rivens wind technique is not necessarily the same style as yasuos,just because there is only one wind style in Ionia,doesn't mean that other countries can't develop their own wind techniques.
Yes, they could, but rivens technique is completely different from yasuos. Ionian elders could make a difference, especially since riven was using all she had on the battlefields. Ionian inteligence wouldnt suck that bad.
GreenLore1 votesReallife battles could vary in lenght(keep in mind that fighting in a full armor for several hours is absolutely insane,you wouldn't last that long),while there are battles that lasted for a full day,there are also battles that only lasted for a few hours,so for yasuo to be confident to still make it to the battlefield(heck for him to be even aware that a battle was taking place close to his location) means he couldn't be that far away. So the location had to be accessible within a few hours.
And the elder was at a hiding place,most likely without many guards(if he had any others at all,Yasuos lore never mentions any other guards). If Rivens unit killed everyone,then there is no one who could talk about seeing them. And its not like Yasuo doesn't have a sword,so if her unit just killed the others with their swords,then that wouldn't cause any problems.
AlsoRivens technique is still a wind cut.Do you really think you can differentiate between the wounds of 2 wind cuts based on the way they are created?It makes no difference if a cutting wind is created by the runes on rivens sword or yasusos style,the result is still the same.
It is also likely that the trial for yasuo was rushed considering that yasuo wasn't even told why they suspect him and I doubt they had the time to gather the elders to analyze the situation since they were still in a fricking war with an enemy that tried to exterminate them.
Dextix LT1 votesReallife battles could vary in lenght(keep in mind that fighting in a full armor for several hours is absolutely insane,you wouldn't last that long),while there are battles that lasted for a full day,there are also battles that only lasted for a few hours,so for yasuo to be confident to still make it to the battlefield(heck for him to be even aware that a battle was taking place close to his location) means he couldn't be that far away. So the location had to be accessible within a few hours.
You dont count in reserves. Any good army had reserves and back up squads, they didnt blow all their load instantly. Also, fighting has its breaks.
And the elder was at a hiding place,most likely without many guards(if he had any others at all,Yasuos lore never mentions any other guards). If Rivens unit killed everyone,then there is no one who could talk about seeing them. And its not like Yasuo doesn't have a sword,so if her unit just killed the others with their swords,then that wouldn't cause any problems.
I dont think anyone would miss a group of noxian troops with one of noxian poster girls marching. THese are no stealth troopers. They make a lot of sound while moving. Also, people would hear a loud battle in case of the squad clashing with the guards.
Also yasuo has a sword, but ionians would recognize what wounds were made by noxian blades and style of fighting and the master swordsman that is yasuo.
They after all aught him the way of the sword.
AlsoRivens technique is still a wind cut.Do you really think you can differentiate between the wounds of 2 wind cuts based on the way they are created?It makes no difference if a cutting wind is created by the runes on rivens sword or yasusos style,the result is still the same.
Wrong, different style leaves different wounds. Have you seen rivens wind slashes? Compare them to yasuos. Yasuos are stabs, quick and efficient. Riven slashes, with strenght. THese kind of fighting styles would leave different wounds. Not to mention that the swords are of different size and unleash different ammounts of energy.
It is also likely that the trial for yasuo was rushed considering that yasuo wasn't even told why they suspect him and I doubt they had the time to gather the elders to analyze the situation since they were still in a fricking war with an enemy that tried to exterminate them.
Of course it was rushed. He was basically court martialed, but riven is not guilty either.
GreenLore1 votesYou dont count in reserves. Any good army had reserves and back up squads, they didnt blow all their load instantly. Also, fighting has its breaks.
Even with Reserves there is no guarantee that the battle will last that long.
I dont think anyone would miss a group of noxian troops with one of noxian poster girls marching. THese are no stealth troopers. They make a lot of sound while moving. Also, people would hear a loud battle in case of the squad clashing with the guards.
Are you even reading what I write?The elder was located at a hiding place. The only people who could have noticed rivens unit were the remaining guards(if he had any) and they are most likely dead now. They probably refused to leave the hiding place hoping that rivens unit wouldn't find them.
Also yasuo has a sword, but ionians would recognize what wounds were made by noxian blades and style of fighting and the master swordsman that is yasuo.
They after all aught him the way of the sword.
You really count on the ionians being accurate here after they didn't even give Yasuo a fair trial?And in the end we don't know how many other guards the elder had and even they could have been killed by riven with a wind technique.
Wrong, different style leaves different wounds. Have you seen rivens wind slashes? Compare them to yasuos. Yasuos are stabs, quick and efficient. Riven slashes, with strenght. THese kind of fighting styles would leave different wounds. Not to mention that the swords are of different size and unleash different ammounts of energy.
Yasuo has a variety of wind moves,he can create a wind stab,he can create a wind wall,he can create a tornado,covering his sword with wind(his ult) and he can also create a wind slash(think of his E-Q combo),we also can't be sure that their in-lore abilities are exactly like they are in the game,just look at how Ekkos Z-drive works in the lore and how it works in the game. Also we don't know if those who found Yasuo guilty knew his exact abilities. And even if they would,there is no way for Yasuo to prove that he can't do a windcut similar to rivens as well,considering that he has such a huge arsenal of wind techniques,they could assume that it is a technique yasuo simply never used in the presence of anyone else.
Dextix LT1 votesEven with Reserves there is no guarantee that the battle will last that long.
Considering the strenght of the armies, the fact that noxus didnt have its bombs and the skillfullness of ionian troops i would say that such a battle would last long. Noxus is on Ionian turf, they have the numbers. The only logical plan of war for any general would for ionia to fight in short bursts. This tactic requires a lot of time to be succesfull but it allows for a superior force to be defeated by inferior one.
Are you even reading what I write?The elder was located at a hiding place. The only people who could have noticed rivens unit were the remaining guards(if he had any) and they are most likely dead now. They probably refused to leave the hiding place hoping that rivens unit wouldn't find them.
I will make myself clear then. First of all, if rivens unit indeed did this, they would have need to know elders location. If noxians know elders location, then others too, because noxians in ionia werent equiped for find and destroy operations.
Secondly. This is also related. If riven knows where the hiding place is this means others surely do as well, ionians know their turf, its their homeland, someone would know.
Third. Any kind of elder or a wise man would have lookouts or people which hide in the shadows looking from afar. These would just simply report in.
Four. Ionia isnt shurima. It is a small island nation with no technological advancements. This means that the vilages are near eachother and it would be quite hard to find a completely uninhabited location. It is next to impposible that noone would hear a squad of noxian troops marching and fighting.
You really count on the ionians being accurate here after they didn't even give Yasuo a fair trial?And in the end we don't know how many other guards the elder had and even they could have been killed by riven with a wind technique.
In our eyes its not fair. In theirs, it was. They believed that yasuo was the only windmaster, and the wounds on the elder were the same that yasuo makes. It was the same as someone would catch a person with a bloody knife near a body.
And thats the point isnt it? Why did they accuse yasuo and not anyone else? If someone else like riven would have done it, i can guarantee there would be some evidence left. These are soldiers, not assasins, they couldnt completely clean their tracks.
Yasuo has a variety of wind moves,he can create a wind stab,he can create a wind wall,he can create a tornado,covering his sword with wind(his ult) and he can also create a wind slash(think of his E-Q combo),we also can't be sure that their in-lore abilities are exactly like they are in the game,just look at how Ekkos Z-drive works in the lore and how it works in the game. Also we don't know if those who found Yasuo guilty knew his exact abilities. And even if they would,there is no way for Yasuo to prove that he can't do a windcut similar to rivens as well,considering that he has such a huge arsenal of wind techniques,they could assume that it is a technique yasuo simply never used in the presence of anyone else.
Indeed he does. But all of them rely on agility and precision, not brute strenght. RIvens fighting styles relies on brute strenght and determinations. Wounds left by these two fighters would be different as night and day.
Alsothe game argument doesnt hold up. When you have champions that are godlike or use technology, you have to take some liberties with their skills and abilities. With swordfighters its different. When you create them, you give them a fighting style, no matter the skills, their fighting style is relayed.
And about the difference between yasuos and riven abilities and if it could be proven. Easily. You see, a swordsman grows and when he learns, his style is his own. Yasuo couldnt physically make the wounds riven does. He just doesnt have enough physical strenght or muscles to do that.
His style is refined. He focuses on agility and precision to cut the most important parts of his opponents body. Riven couldnt replicate that. Her strenght would not allow for such precision, and the fact that she was not even trained properly also points to this.
Neither of them could replicate each others techinique, and they are not as close as you think.
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Considering the strenght of the armies, the fact that noxus didnt have its bombs and the skillfullness of ionian troops i would say that such a battle would last long. Noxus is on Ionian turf, they have the numbers. The only logical plan of war for any general would for ionia to fight in short bursts. This tactic requires a lot of time to be succesfull but it allows for a superior force to be defeated by inferior one.
yasuo couldn't be sure that zaunite war machines weren't in waiting and the noxian military is a powerful foe even on its own(there is a reason why noxus is usually seen as one of the 2 strongest nations alongside demacia).Also its not like the whole ionian military force was gathered there in one point.
I will make myself clear then. First of all, if rivens unit indeed did this, they would have need to know elders location. If noxians know elders location, then others too, because noxians in ionia werent equiped for find and destroy operations.
Secondly. This is also related. If riven knows where the hiding place is this means others surely do as well, ionians know their turf, its their homeland, someone would know.
Third. Any kind of elder or a wise man would have lookouts or people which hide in the shadows looking from afar. These would just simply report in.
Four. Ionia isnt shurima. It is a small island nation with no technological advancements. This means that the vilages are near eachother and it would be quite hard to find a completely uninhabited location. It is next to impposible that noone would hear a squad of noxian troops marching and fighting.
1.&2.It doesn't have to mean that rivens unit was actively searching for the elder,they might have been just securing the area.
3.The whole country was in a mess,the elder might have lost some of his men already before Yasuo was hired to protect him/he might have decided to only take few men(maybe even only Yasuo),so that the others can be useful on the battlefield. After all we have no information about the elder,he might have been rather selfless.
4.Near is relative and there are surely some regions where the villages are further away from each other(it would make sense to hide at a less populated area,because noxians are less likely to be around there).Also the war probably destroyed some of these villages(after all the noxians didn't leave any survivors) and even if rivens unit was seen in the surrounding,doesn't mean that anyone recognized riven or knew that she has a wind technique(or that those who judged yasuo even cared to ask the villagers)
In our eyes its not fair. In theirs, it was. They believed that yasuo was the only windmaster, and the wounds on the elder were the same that yasuo makes. It was the same as someone would catch a person with a bloody knife near a body.
And thats the point isnt it? Why did they accuse yasuo and not anyone else? If someone else like riven would have done it, i can guarantee there would be some evidence left. These are soldiers, not assasins, they couldnt completely clean their tracks.
Indeed he does. But all of them rely on agility and precision, not brute strenght. RIvens fighting styles relies on brute strenght and determinations. Wounds left by these two fighters would be different as night and day.
Alsothe game argument doesnt hold up. When you have champions that are godlike or use technology, you have to take some liberties with their skills and abilities. With swordfighters its different. When you create them, you give them a fighting style, no matter the skills, their fighting style is relayed.
And about the difference between yasuos and riven abilities and if it could be proven. Easily. You see, a swordsman grows and when he learns, his style is his own. Yasuo couldnt physically make the wounds riven does. He just doesnt have enough physical strenght or muscles to do that.
His style is refined. He focuses on agility and precision to cut the most important parts of his opponents body. Riven couldnt replicate that. Her strenght would not allow for such precision, and the fact that she was not even trained properly also points to this.
Neither of them could replicate each others techinique, and they are not as close as you think.
But who saw Yasuos growth as a swordsman?It isn't known if his master is still alive or was even asked about that matter and no one else mastered that sword style. The trial was rushed,it is quite likely that if there were inconsistencies with the wounds and yasuos sword style,they were simply overlooked. I mean what is more likely? That Yasuo learned a powerful wind strike and didn't show it to anybody or that there is someone who also has mastered the wind style(besides yasuo there are probably only 2-3 others who can use that wind style and they were all probably at a completely different place) killed the elder when Yasuo was "conveniently" not at the location where he was supposed to be?
Dextix LT1 votesyasuo couldn't be sure that zaunite war machines weren't in waiting and the noxian military is a powerful foe even on its own(there is a reason why noxus is usually seen as one of the 2 strongest nations alongside demacia).Also its not like the whole ionian military force was gathered there in one point.
That was not the point. The point was that yasuo might have taken more time than usual and that the elder wasnt near a battlefield.
1.&2.It doesn't have to mean that rivens unit was actively searching for the elder,they might have been just securing the area.
3.The whole country was in a mess,the elder might have lost some of his men already before Yasuo was hired to protect him/he might have decided to only take few men(maybe even only Yasuo),so that the others can be useful on the battlefield. After all we have no information about the elder,he might have been rather selfless.
4.Near is relative and there are surely some regions where the villages are further away from each other(it would make sense to hide at a less populated area,because noxians are less likely to be around there).Also the war probably destroyed some of these villages(after all the noxians didn't leave any survivors) and even if rivens unit was seen in the surrounding,doesn't mean that anyone recognized riven or knew that she has a wind technique(or that those who judged yasuo even cared to ask the villagers)
1.2 a military group such as rivens wouldt just "stumble" upon a hiden location. Also, this doesnt make any sesnse. What would be the purpose of sending one of your best soldier groups into fck knows where instead of them helping with the battle (which by you is nearby).
Doesnt matter what was in mess or not. Any sensible general/elder or important person would do this, no matter how selfless they are. Having a watch out is even more selfless than having none by the way. Because the watcher can save himself.
Please. A group of noxian soldiers would be recognized anywhere. These were standart issue soldiers, not assasins.
But who saw Yasuos growth as a swordsman?It isn't known if his master is still alive or was even asked about that matter and no one else mastered that sword style. The trial was rushed,it is quite likely that if there were inconsistencies with the wounds and yasuos sword style,they were simply overlooked. I mean what is more likely? That Yasuo learned a powerful wind strike and didn't show it to anybody or that there is someone who also has mastered the wind style(besides yasuo there are probably only 2-3 others who can use that wind style and they were all probably at a completely different place) killed the elder when Yasuo was "conveniently" not at the location where he was supposed to be?
You still dont get it. Yasuos style is delicate, it doesnt use strenght, he cant have another style. If you for example learned to do everything with your right hand for your whole life but then needed to use your left for a month, would you do a good job? No you wouldnt. If you learn a certain sword style it is simply locked to you. You cant change it on the fly if its completely different.
Wound were made by a wind blade, a blade that yasuo uses, the exact one. They didnt rush, it was obivious.
TheDuelist9991 votesAlso yasuo has a sword, but ionians would recognize what wounds were made by noxian blades and style of fighting and the master swordsman that is yasuo.
They after all aught him the way of the sword.
Wrong, different style leaves different wounds. Have you seen rivens wind slashes? Compare them to yasuos. Yasuos are stabs, quick and efficient. Riven slashes, with strenght. THese kind of fighting styles would leave different wounds. Not to mention that the swords are of different size and unleash different ammounts of energy.
Of course it was rushed. He was basically court martialed, but riven is not guilty either.
If you found someone killed by a bear in the woods would you spend the time to figure out if it was black bear or grizzly bear that did it. Would you even know how. I dont know why your expecting CSI level investigative spells from essentially an 11th century society.
Dextix LT1 votesWhat is with these comparisons? A bear doesnt use a sword, yet alone having different fighting techniques.
There is no need for CSI. These guys are swordfighting masters. They are the ones that taught yasuo. Its their job to know about swords and fighting. They would for sure know and see what wounds can be made with what blade.
GreenLore1 votesWho says that the sword fighting masters judged Yasuo? For all we know he could have been judged by some guys he never met before.
Dextix LT1 votesWho else judged him and hunted for him? The hunters send after him were people he learned with, it is quite easy to tell that the masters send them.
GreenLore1 votesThey were in the midst of a war. Contacting yasuos master,or his brother and getting them to the crime scene could have taken days.And they couldn't even be sure that they'd make it to the crime scene alive.
Not to mention that skilled fighters were needed at the front,so withdrawing them to investigate a crime scene that seemed obvious to those who investigated there,would have been seen as a waste of fighting power.
Vistha Kai2 votesThe thing is, while Riven is an obvious suspect, she isn't using any kind of wind technique.
You'd think "the best wind user of his time" should tell a difference between an enchanted sword and controlling wind.
Ironclad Dragon2 votes
actually did it. It was revenge against Yasuo for leaving her to raise their kid 
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ShuffledPancake1 votesHaven't heard anyone saying it cant be her. no one.
GreenLore1 votesThere are some people arguing that Rivens wind slash looks more like an energy attack than a wind attack,there are also some people who think riven couldn't be the killer because she is a soldier,not an assassin disregarding the fact that it was never said that the elder has been assassinated.
Overall I think Riven is pretty much the best candidate that we currently have,though she might turn out to be a false lead.
Xeruon3 votesEh, Riven is using some form of magic on her Wind Slash. While the lore clearly states that the elder has been killed with a wind technique.
And if anybody makes a statement about Yasuo's quotes, who says Yasuo can't be mistaken?
Dextix LT1 votesThose quotes in fact do not directly state that riven did anything. He is just noticing the simmilarities in techniques.
GreenLore1 votesWhy does everyone refer to the elder as Yasuos master?
Shroom Junkie1 votesWhy does everyone refer to the elder as Yasuos master?
Eh, just something that pops to mind. bcuz psychology!
Mannysmoker1 votesMaybe 
was drunk and decided to kill his master....it happens..
Matezoide1 votesQuestion:
Who cares? That was 2 years ago, Riot is clearly not going to do anything with that plot point. It could have been Singed the entire time and nothing would change.