I see what you're doing Rito: 7 Deadly Sins

Hexs Fortune·Sep 26, 2017·78 votes·7,127 views

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Evelynn is the Demon of Lust Tahm Kench is the Demon of Gluttony

I'm looking forwards to the rest of the cast!

131 Comments

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOSep 26, 201753 votes

Fun fact, the 7 deadly sins aren't considered by the church to be some sort of list of ultra sins, they're actually just a means of categorizing basically every other sin. The theory being that any sin should fall into one of the seven categories

Miror BSep 26, 201738 votes

Another fun fact: apparently when Las Vegas was first adopting their casinos and slot machines they were originally going to go with a "1" as the number on them (roll three 1's and you'd win the jackpot). Due to a painting error on the top of the ones, the first batch of slot machines looked like they had 7's and they've used them ever since, paying potential homage to the deadly sins and specifically greed in general.

SpecterVonBarenSep 27, 20173 votes

I thought it was because 7 is considered a lucky number.

Miror BSep 27, 20171 votes

Nupe, it was just a mere painting accident. The people who try to suggest that 7 is in any way associated with luck have no clue as to what they're talking about, as barring rainbows (which from what I can understand were considered "eclipse-like" in ancient culture) there is nothing in nature that could be associated with both luck and 7, unless nitrogen is somehow lucky now.

FearlessCreatorSep 27, 20175 votes

You have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to why 7 is considered lucky. There are Seven Seas, Seven Heavens, Seven Continents, Seven Colors in a Rainbow, Seven Notes on a musical scale, Seven Days in a week, Seven Wonders of the World and so on. This is why it's considered lucky

FearlessCreatorSep 27, 20175 votes

It was also already considered a lucky number in multiple cultures before casinos were even a thing.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 26, 20173 votes

But couldn't you qualify gluttony as another form of greed? It's good enough for DC's Lantern Corps, should be good enough for the church.

KotetsuTatsumakiSep 26, 201712 votes

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But couldn't you qualify gluttony as another form of greed? It's good enough for DC's Lantern Corps, should be good enough for the church.

Gluttony is specifically connected to over consumption and wastefulness. You could say it is considered a bad thing bad because of a lack of charitable nature. Even if you acquire what you have legitimately it might still be considered a bad thing to keep and consume all for yourself.

Greed is more tied to hoarding of material possessions, to the point of using unsavory means to do so. Thus it's more associated with theft and trickery of those trying to get what they want.

At least that is my interpretation of it.

FakeGravitySep 26, 20178 votes

so basically gluttony is "i dont want to give what i have, i want to consume it all" greed is "i just want to have alot of things" and envy is "i dont want you to have it"

AwoofSep 26, 20171 votes

Then Kench would fit more into greed than gluttony though, considering how he forms contracts to get people.

Jet SettSep 27, 20172 votes

Gluttony is more like over-indulgence while Greed is more so unsavory hoarding. Tahm Kench indulges himself on the desires of others, but since he doesn't really "keep" what he ate he's not really gaining anything material or abstract, and he only seeks to have others indulge themselves in their wildest desires as well as depicted in his taunts to other champions.

4th3t0sSep 27, 20172 votes

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Gluttony is more like over-indulgence

Chogath / KogMaw

Velzard of KozSep 26, 20172 votes

These were developed long time ago and without proper definitions - conteplating about their inaccuracy is like questioning concept of 4/5 elements and how they overlap or are not enough - scientific accuracy isn't exactly their point.

SSShutTheDuckUpSep 26, 201727 votes

0/7/0 LeeSin : Did you say 7 dead LeeSin s

KloqdqSep 26, 201720 votes

Nocturne and Shaco are also confirmed to be demons. Though they are both in need of work lore and kit wise XD.

Hexs FortuneSep 26, 20174 votes

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Nocturne and Shaco are also confirmed to be demons. Though they are both in need of work lore and kit wise XD.

Which of the remaining sins do you think work best for them? Greed, Envy, Wrath, Pride and Sloth remain

rtbf225618241Sep 26, 20177 votes

Pretty sure Nocturne is Wrath, being a nightmare and all.

Velzard of KozSep 26, 201712 votes

And Shaco is Envy. Because enemy Shaco is always better and you envy the enemy team.

Mindworm JimSep 26, 201710 votes

I actually feel like Shaco is a shoe-in for Pride. Not because he is prideful. No. He is Pride's foil. Look at him. He looks like a clown and attacks people with jack-in-the-boxes. He treats everything like a joke. He doesn't take anything seriously, even the way he walks (look at his splash). He is the demon that tears down Pride.

RikirieSep 27, 20171 votes

Nocturne should be sloth as a punishment. Those who shirk their duties and sleep away are haunted by the demon of dreams,

TerozuSep 27, 20171 votes

But Eve and Tahm want you to experience their sins. That wouldnt make sense.

RikirieSep 27, 20172 votes

Tahm goads you into induging your desires, then consumes you

Eve goads you into sex, then reks you

Maybe Nocturne goads people into sleeping, then torments them.
They could always make sleep a new CC that works like in WoW where it's long lasting CC as long as they aren't damaged (long here would be like 3-4 seconds)

Celestial Lion12Sep 26, 20174 votes

fiddlesticks is also kind of in need

OleandervineSep 27, 20172 votes

When were they confirmed? The one time I saw where someone asked if Evelynn's VGU would make her a demon like Shaco, Nocturne, and Tahm, Reav3 quite poignantly replied "We're making her like Tahm," which was odd, considering the post he replied to listed Shaco and Nocturne as well. If anything, that response deliberately left Shaco and Nocturne in the dark as to what direction Riot is going with them, considering that Reav3 is head of pretty much everything.

ToppienSep 26, 201718 votes

and that teemo is the devil itself

OHminusSep 26, 201711 votes

Greed: TwistedFate Wrath: Aatrox Sloth: me

DrugothSep 26, 201710 votes

Draven = Pride he should get a pride demon skin. I can't think of any other champion that fits the pride sin more than Draven Draven Draven Draven

The DrBonjigolloSep 26, 20177 votes

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Nocturne and Shaco are also confirmed to be demons. Though they are both in need of work lore and kit wise XD.

Running off of this I'm thinking: Evelynn Lust TahmKench Gluttony/Greed Nocturne Wrath Shaco Sloth A lot of his kit does the work for him (W and Ult) which could be considered lazy though the player IS doing work

I'd like some new champs to fill in the other 3 especially envy which could be interesting imo. Shaco and Noc could use a Visual update to make them better look the part.

Hexs FortuneSep 26, 20179 votes

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Running off of this I'm thinking: Lust Gluttony/Greed Wrath Sloth A lot of his kit does the work for him (W and Ult) which could be considered lazy though the player IS doing work

I'd like some new champs to fill in the other 3 especially envy which could be interesting imo. Shaco and Noc could use a Visual update to make them better look the part.

I feel Shaco might fit well into Envy. He's so pleased taking life from others and also desires attention while doing so. Maybe in his heart the clown burns with envy for his victims.

The true face of envy being a psychotic clown madman feels right in some ways. [sg-syndra]

The DrBonjigolloSep 26, 20173 votes

I like it, I like it, Riot could take this route to actually give him a lore, or keep him mysterious. Shrug

TerozuSep 27, 20172 votes

Thought the same thing.

TattersallSep 26, 20175 votes

Riot has said that they're trying not to use judeo-christian archetypes in demon champions. That is, they said that with Tahm Kench. Each demon champ in the future probably won't be as cookie-cutter as the seven deadlys. It's already confirmed that Tahm represents both greed and gluttony, but not those specifically. He more represents desire and how it can be used to cause misery.

What exactly Evelynn represents is currently unknown (I think), but if Tahm is misery (emotional pain) than Evelynn is probably agony (physical pain).

The Last BalladSep 27, 20172 votes

She is "Agony's embrace".

General TherittSep 27, 20175 votes

TahmKench Gluttony. Lets be real, eternal hunger, sly and eager to endless consume all emotion and physical being of a person until they are a husk, ripe for the picking.

Evelynn Lust. Vicious and tenacious, she hounds after men and women alike, revealing clothing and always in for the thrill of a kill, she revels in this state of temptation and deadly arts.

Jhin Pride. Jhin believes he is the BEST, and not in a good way like Wukong, or moronic and egotistical like Draven, who only cares for his social standing. Jhin believes he is the height, the pinnacle of all that can be or will be, a god depicting actors of gruesome, bloody deaths in the name of himself, and the pursuit of art. In his eyes, there is no right or wrong, only his own perfection.

Exemplifies wrath. Anger and hatred burned Gangplank into this monster of man, who even when spirit, body, and mind sunken to the depths of bilgewater's vile tide, he came back up, only fueled by his burning fury. He had his arm cut off, and he still took the pain and had it replaced. Nothing would stop him.

Rammus is sloth. Yes, he moves fast, but rammus, rather than placing effort into his attacks, has his opponent impale themselves on his shell, rarely ever finding it necessary for himself to need to focus on actually hurting his enemy. He moves slowly without his powerball, and simply decides to answer in most one line sentences and responses, to minimize his use of communication and social interaction. He'd probably take a nap rather than fight an opponent if he could choose.

Kled Well, he could give GP a run for his money, Kled represents greed. He claims everything as his, and if it isn't his, it still somehow belongs to him, and he is entitled to it. His long line of names in the military earns him that much.

Ahri Envy. Ahri wishes to be human, and know the pleasure of the mortal world, but is limited by her own type of mortality and need of souls, and so she wants what she could never achieve, and so desperately seeks for, which is exceptances.

I mean, these are my 7, but the void could easily fill this up: Malzahar (sloth; witnesses the terror of void, chooses not to stop it), Khazix (envy; wants constant evolution) KogMaw (Gluttony; LITERALLY ENDLESS HUNGER INCARNATE) Chogath (Pride; Known as the world consumer, and believes to be the pinnacle of food chain) Kassadin (Wrath; Embodied anger and defiance) RekSai (lust, pred instincts to lead clan as a female, proves her power as queen 'bee', ideal mate) Velkoz (Greed, Wishes all knowledge of the world be his, and his alone, that everything belong to his infinite database of knowledge and materials be stowed as memory for him and him alone)

RalanrSep 26, 20174 votes

I think Tahm is actually supposed to be greed. I always get confused though.

The DrBonjigolloSep 26, 20172 votes

He somewhat works for both, he himself is a greedy glutton and in lore he offers fortune to others and those that take the bargain lose everything they get, including their lives. [sg-ezreal] Overall, Glutton can be seen as a form of greed anyways.

Meep ManSep 26, 20177 votes

The definition of Gluttony is: habitual greed or excess in eating. or over-indulgence and over-consumption of food, drink, or wealth items.

So Gluttony is sort of like a different version of Greed. I would say Tahm is closer to Gluttony however, since he devours everything. I would say that even the gambler story falls in since constant gambling is often a sign of greed and wanting more and more, even if it ends up destroying you. Constant gambling is actually one of the best examples of habitual greed.

Serika ZeroSep 26, 20173 votes

you can say that lust is just greed for sex and pride is just greed of the ego and that sloth is the total lack of greed and that envy is the greed of someone's else belongings and that wrath is greed for punishing someone else

BârdSep 26, 20173 votes

How do Nocturne and Shaco fit into this?

ahferroin7Sep 28, 20173 votes

Hmm...

I wonder if Wrath will be a little kid whose ult negates all damage and reflects it multiplicatively.

Or maybe Sloth will float around on a pillow that turns into a spear...

KotetsuTatsumakiSep 26, 20172 votes

I mean, there's still the debate over whether or not the Darkin are supposed to be the 4 horsemen or not... this seems a bit more legit though given the Kench interaction.

Wondering if we are gonna see more additions via new champs or reworks. Assuming Morgana is still on the long term rework list maybe they will make her pride? May or may not conflict with the plan to do a duo rework with her and Kayle though.

4th3t0sSep 27, 20172 votes

Eh, the 4 horsemen thing was more of a Shadow Isles gimmick IIRC.
Mordekaiser : Conquest Hecarim : War Karthus : Death Thresh : Famine

ZarZufSep 26, 20172 votes

Aatrox is pride I think (or maybe wrath?)

Also to be noted: Aatrox Evelynn TahmKench all are demons in the lore, so we just miss the other 4, which may or may not be released in the future.

CetriSep 26, 20178 votes

Aatrox isn't a demon, he's a darkin (like Rhaast). Nocturne is a demon, though.

That said, I don't really think league's demons fit into the 7 deadlies pattern.... Eve certainly has a relationship with lust, sure, but Tahm seems to cover both gluttony and greed, and Nocturne's deal is still up in the air. I feel like they're more... nuanced, I guess, than that.

KotetsuTatsumakiSep 26, 20172 votes

Sloth would probably be really hard to represent as a champion now that I think about it? What are the active abilities of a champion that symbolizes laziness supposed to be...

...

First champion with nothing but passive abilities confirmed.

Wind234Sep 27, 20172 votes

I've always enjoyed using the Seven Deadly Sins thematically in fictional works, especially when villains embody them. I really do hope we get one demonic character for each sin, if only because I enjoy complete sets. lol I've seen people say Nocturne and Shaco are both demonic entities as well and I think I'd agree with that, so if that's the case, then we have four of the seven. That leaves three, and I wonder what they'll be like if Riot is going down that path after all.

Honestly, I think Sloth might fit Nocturne rather well as opposed to Wrath. Not that Wrath doesn't fit him, but the fact that he attacks people in their dreams is notable. He could lull people into slumber, then basically kill them in their own minds a la Freddy Krueger. He could prey on the lazy and the timid, kinda like that little boy who he possessed in that one story. As for Shaco, I'm not sure what he'd be, but I did see someone say that they thought he'd be like a demon who pursued the prideful in order to feed off their pride, since he'd basically be screwing with them the whole time. Mind games to break the haughty and make them go nuts, then go in for the kill.

If Nocturne and Shaco end up being demons in their VGUs, though, then I hope the next few demons aren't assassins. XD

JarPoop IVSep 27, 20172 votes

Isn't tahm both gluttony and greed?

The Last BalladSep 27, 20172 votes

He seems to be the personification of people's greed, but if you look at his quotes, what he deals with is hunger and gluttony. Every quote to other champs has to do with either him recognizing and calling out what they long for, him offering a solution, or talking about things being a river too. Or just insulting them in a clever manner.

"Every heart has its own hunger." - TahmKench

Wayward KilljoySep 27, 20172 votes

Also I'd like to point out Shaco was never confirmed as a demon, and Nocturne is of unknown origin and born of dreams. If they were in fact demons Evelynn would have had interactions with them similar to her interaction with Tahm. I only say this because Riot's M.O. on tying champs together are much more explicit in V.O.s. They never go out and say it but its never a stretch either. Nocturne and Shaco sort of are. (Shaco's title was determined before this trend started so it's not a valid argument)

Like with hinting that Varus carries a Darkin, Rhaast was very clear he was familiar with that. Also if we tie them in with the four horsemen it should go like this:

Pestilence: Varus War: Aatrox Death: Rhaast We're missing famine.

P.S. There are two versions of the four horsemen. The original version is the theological one, the secondary is the one used by fantasy material.

This distinction only exists because one of the horsemen in the theological version ARE NOT ACTUAL BEINGS. They are representations of events and time periods similar to the cows in the dream Joseph interpreted. We can discern this from the typical appearances of things in the scriptures.

The type used in fantasy material is composed of ACTUAL DEMONS. This only happened because one of the horsemen in the theological text is a representation of the sexond or third coming I can't remember which. Its not fun when the good guy is one of the enders of the world so media rearranged them in order to create a fourth antagonist. Riot is clearly using this model.