Draven's new lore is a downgrade in my opion

ChunLii··8 votes·2,388 views

"In Noxus, warriors known as reckoners face one another in arenas where blood is spilled and strength tested—but none has ever been as celebrated as Draven. A former soldier, he found that the crowds uniquely appreciated his flair for the dramatic, not to mention the spray of blood from each of his spinning axes. Addicted to the spectacle of his own brash perfection, Draven has sworn to defeat whomever he must to ensure that his name is chanted throughout the empire forever more."

I know this is short bio but it implies some worrying things:

  1. Draven never deserted the army while giving them the middle finger. He just left? Just like that? Was he discharged? In the question and answer section for Draven when he came out they stated that Draven left because he wanted to and he felt that the army was destroying his individuality or "Draven-ness". He did not like the army nor was he respected there. Because of the fact that he left on his own accord, his reputation in Noxus was down the gutter and the only job that was available to him at that time was to become a low executioner, even though he would have made a fine gladiator he couldn't. A job that there was no glory, no crowds and you just chopped people's heads off and be done with it. Draven on his own revolutionized on what it meant to be an executioner and became the first of his kind. The new lore takes down his badassness by a ton. Also, because I fear that he left the army on good will..

  2. Before anyone says this new lore is less cruel because he fights warriors instead of prisoners and that makes Draven more morally gray, no it really isn't. Reckoners seem to fight each other for no other reason than to see who is stronger and it implies that it results in death... Draven was murdering prisoners before, this could have been spun that he was killing criminals and traitors to the empire which is way more morally gray than killing fellow non-criminal Noxians...

  3. Old lore: He decided that the glorious exploits of Draven should be put on display for the entire WORLD. New lore: throughout the EMPIRE forever more. Old lore Draven was aiming for the world and not just within Noxus.

In conclusion, I do think that this new lore is a downgrade unless his longer biography explains some things.

18 Comments

ChunLii3 votes

I wish people would discuss with me instead of downvoting me. ;-;

Talos of Altmora1 votes

I feel you.

Hey, does anyone else think that Noxus is a little but too evil? Like, is there a champion from Noxus not named riven you could see yourself hanging out with?

ChunLii2 votes

I'm going to wait for the full update but yeah things are already not looking too good now. Riot did say they want to make Noxus more morally grey but I am not seeing that yet.

Anu3isII1 votes

Sincerely, I don't think Noxian soldiers and Assassins are evil, just manipulated.

Darius in his new comic showed that he wants to make Noxus great. Sion is just a great warrior that unfortunately got resurrected to become a mindless killing machine. Katarina is an assassin and daughter of a royal family, so the better Noxus does, the better she does. Talon just follows Kat.

They are like Tau Empire from Warhammer 40K, where their action are for the "Greater Good", but it actually means the better for their empire.

The only truly evil characters are the Black Rose I believe. The main four leaders are LeBlanc, Swain, Elise and Vladimir. Based on their emblem, people question wheter there is a fifth important member based on its crest: https://www.google.ro/search?q=the+black+rose+crest&client=ms-android-samsung&prmd=imvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRt57ypL7XAhWCyhoKHQYnD7MQ_AUIEigB&biw=360&bih=612#imgrc=1ica7uuU3kz4EM:

Oh, and sorry if I repeat myself, but in the Darius comics was revealed a Noxian character that I would note as totally good. If I had the insurance that Noxus doesn't want my head, I would gladly hang out with any champion from Noxus.

Talos of Altmora1 votes

Darius in his new comic showed that he wants to make Noxus great. Sion is just a great warrior that unfortunately got resurrected to become a mindless killing machine. Katarina is an assassin and daughter of a royal family, so the better Noxus does, the better she does. Talon just follows Kat.

Darius was always like that, but He also repressed a faction that saw Swain rise to power and gave him power of Noxus on the first place. He supported the gas attacks that wiped out Riven's group. From Riven's perspective, which is implied to be a traditional Noxian perspective. the attacks were a cowardly way to win; She and her fellows would have gladly died, because her nation has had a history of Social-Darwinism and if she died, it merely meant that the opposing force was stronger, and there would be no shame in it.

Darius thought process went somewhere along the lines of "Victory at any cost." Draven is a executioner (or was, he's some sort of gladiator now) and killed as a specticale for the sake of his ego. Katrina murdered Demacian officers, Talon is loyal exclusively to Katrina's father and killed a friend during his childhood. Even Riven has not abandon her Noxian Ideals, merely trying to bring back her true ideals.

They are like Tau Empire from Warhammer 40K, where their action are for the "Greater Good", but it actually means the better for their empire.

That describes Demacia more if you ask me, best said by Garen; "WE DO WHAT IS RIGHT!" Demacia used to require Mandatory military service, and always had a grandiose sense of justice and glory. Noxus is a meritocracy, and doesn't really care what you do, so long as you do it well. That's how Swain became so popular; he rose through the ranks being a tactical genius in spite of being a cripple.

Anu3isII1 votes

"The philosophy of the Greater Good now guides the Tau in their attempts to conquer the rest of the galaxy and unite all the intellignt races in pursuit of the Greater Good. The philosophy forces the Tau to both desire to expand their empire for the Greater Good, and to absorb other intelligent races and their cultures into their own, which could ultimately have disastrous effects upon their ability to actually keep their newborn interstellar empire united." - warhammer40k.wikia

This very same thing happens to Noxus. People are indoctrinated with the idea that expansion is for the "Greater Good". Both empires seek to conquer all the world. Both assimilate the nations they conquer. And when their armies come to you, they will from the start ask you to surrender and become part of them. And both particularly recruit mercenaries from all parts of the world to work for them (Taliyah lore suggests that).

The thing that makes me think they are similar is that both believe they should rule the world. One for the Greater Good and another for the Greater Good of Noxus, which eventually will be the whole world if they succed. Their history is also similar. They just have different philosophies of life, but the same target: to unite all nations under their rule.

What I wanted to say is that outside of the Black Rose, I don't really see who is evil. Some are absorbed by their ideals, while others just do their job as soldiers.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

Every thread gets downvotes the first few hours. Sometimes they get upvoted.

ThePikol3 votes

I'm not really fan of any of these new lores

ChunLii1 votes

I worry for the Noxus lore update..

ChompyWulf2 votes

Frankly, the way I see it the Draven changes are nuanced details. While some stuff like the how and why he left the military are left out, he has generally stayed the same. I don't see it as a downgrade unless you are super attached to the character, while personally I don't like the champ, his lore, or the hyped love he gets.

If you want to talk about butchered lore, Aatrox and the Darkin having a lot of their mystique stripped away, or Volibear being changed from a warrior shaman to a raging warmonger demigod are examples of Riot ruining their lore.

GreenLore1 votes

1.When was it ever said that he deserted?In fact I'm pretty sure that Draven would have been killed if he had deserted.

2.Well who says that he didn't start as an executioner?Keep in mind that these short intros cut out a lot of important stuff(for example C isn't mentioned in Caitlyns lore and Pixs origins are never mentioned in Lulus).And tbh,it would make sense that Draven executes victims in the arena as well,I mean thats pretty much like the romans who threw prisoners into the arena to die.

3.Old Draven had the possibility to get an audience across the globe,as the league essentially broadcasted the matches to the other nations,thats not possible in the new lore(in general information about the world is a lot more scarce within the new lore)

ChunLii1 votes
  1. http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2206936&page=5

I honestly don't think Draven would have been accepted. I see the job of an executioner as sort of a low-end job for a hired axe. I think Draven's attitude and ABANDONMENT of the military really gave him a bad reputation. He had to work to turn that grim occupation into the setting of his spectacular success.

  1. Because it implies that he was a soldier turned reckoner. He is just one of the reckoners and not someone who revolutionized anything..

  2. It is possible though if he was a headsman like Urgot where he would travel outside of Noxus to preform executions which is how Urgot ended up in Zaun.

GreenLore2 votes

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  1. http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2206936&page=5

  2. Because it implies that he was a soldier turned reckoner. He is just one of the reckoners and not someone who revolutionized anything..

  3. It is possible though if he was a headsman like Urgot where he would travel outside of Noxus to preform executions which is how Urgot ended up in Zaun.

1.Thanks for the link,though its not really him deserting,but just leaving in a really disrespectful way.And the new lore piece doesn't say anything about how he left.

2.Like I said,the new lore piece is just a short intro,it tells us where draven started and where he ended up,it doesn't give us any info about the inbetween.

3.Well Urgot was sent to Zaun to die and I really doubt that it is common for the headsman to leave Noxus.(most other nations are enemies of noxus anyway,so why would the headsman be send there?)And even then Draven likely has never seen half of the nations of the world.

Killaburn1 votes

and to mention the new darius comic, it was stated by tamara that dravens works was an executioner in the gladiator arena. which means he can be a soldier and an executioner at the same time.

ChunLii1 votes

Hmm I can see that and to be honest I didn't mind Draven in the Darius comic the way he was written (for the most part, I didn't like that he was well respected in the army because abandoning and rebelling the army to do his own thing is something I really liked) but this new short biography I don't like.

Galactic Mayhem1 votes

So is gladiator draven base draven now?

6FlagsFunnelCake1 votes

I doubt that Draven is just a glorified gladiator now. Urgot specifically refer's to Draven as his "replacement". Perhaps he began as a gladiator, but became Noxus''s executoner when Swain took control.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

Lets be honest, looking at the size of Noxus, it IS literally the whole world.

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