So how will the lore actually progress?

abdollah56273·Sep 13, 2016·8 votes·1,393 views

Reading some of the lore the other day, I noticed some of these characters have clear goals in mind

Yorick wants to punish the Ruined King and reverse the ruination of the Shadow Isles Lucian wants to save Senna (At the end of Shadow and Fortune he actually got some hope of saving her) Nasus wants to redeem Renekton and stop Xerath Azir wants to resurrect his empire Taliyah wants to prevent that

Contrast this with the in-game dialogue with Lucian wanting to save Senna, and Yorick wanting to save the Shadow Isles.

But suppose that Lucian actually manages to save Senna, or Azir actually succeeds in reviving his empire, wouldn't that make their in-game voice-overs kinda moot? Especially if Gangplank one day manages to take back Bilgewater. I imagine it must be a painful effort for the Riot staff to make in-game changes to reflect the lore. They did that one time in Burning Tides, but I can't imagine Riot doing that for over 130 characters.

So will the LOL lore status always stay the same? Or will it just remain the same? I really love the LOL lore, but I'm kinda wondering if it has the same potential to evolve like in other mediums such as comics or movie

54 Comments

The WhamboozlerSep 14, 20164 votes

Ok, first of all... you probably MISSED the LoL lore worth caring about. The Journal of Justice was solid, if often goofy... and was telling a pretty sweet story about a Noxus civil war and Swain's rise to power there. I'm sure the new lore will get to that plotline SOMEday.

But the question you're asking is "what happens when the lore renders the in-game dialogue dated?". Nothing. Nothing happens. Not only is it highly unlikely that they ever really RESOLVE any of these dangling threads to a satisfying degree... but you realize that the game's "lore" doesn't actually include the game anymore, right?

I mean every match you play has NO place in the lore. It used to... if VERY loosely. But the new lore removed the game itself from it's own lore. Why would they need to change Lucian's lines if they run lore where he saves his wife? Nothing in the matches is canon at all or fits in the lore. BEST CASE you could hope for is they'll have something minor happen during an event that doesn't affect the setting overall or remove a character from it... and they'll make a new skin to reflect it happening. Like a "redeemed" Lucian or something. Then they'll sell it to you.... probably for 1850 RP.

Beyond LegendsSep 14, 20164 votes

JoJ was not worth caring about at all. It's story lack any clear direction or theme and was something Riot hastely tacked on when it had zero clue on what they were really doing. The whole summoner plot was the literally the uncarriable teammate holding the entire team down. Why is the leader country fighting in some dumb map build by super op mages that probably can defeat every nation in existence? Why the hell tryndamere travel from the southern part of the contenent to the north to form an alliance. Where all the rune magic go? Ionia war? Ionia rematch?? Kalamanda's ending??? Xin Zhao age???? Also three of the worst develop factions that was basicly set pieces Shurima Targon and Bildgewater. Thats's just the tip of the iceborg of the amount of just badly thought out ideas in Riot earlier days.

Sure maybe we don't have this “connection” to the lore but whe never affected the lore anyways. Ionia Noxus rematch was completely staged by Riot. I fail to see any reason to care about the lore. To me any of the lore before Varus was completely boring and felt like I was reading some lazy rip of fanfic for dota. I rather sacrfice this “connection” to the lore for some actual quality content.

The old lore was bad. I personally did theorycrafting for the old lore when I first got into league lore only to end up completely fustrated at the poorly thought of ideas( ie; why does the solari live on the top of the heighiest mountain in the worlds). Everything about it was just simply bad from the map to the lore, thats not to mention the edgy shoe horn ideas of why suddenly trudle forgive his tribe, Lux entire judgement, Yorick being half a shakespear refetence and lazy drag from another world trope.

Despitee most of the so call “critzism” can simple being not your personal taste and being zealously nippicky about stupid things ie (why did the lore focus on champion instead of this side character or me too lazy to read.) The only thing I would urge Riot to do is to translate and localize your lore better. Some of the chinese translation makes me cringe everytime I hear it.

The WhamboozlerSep 17, 20164 votes

I'm torn. On the one hand you linger in the area of a few decent points. On the other hand your grammar and spelling made my head hurt so much it's hard to take you seriously.

JoJ wasn't perfect, but it gave the game a point. Instead of scrapping it all and starting over they could have kept the idea of summoners, the league and all that... you know the basic premise of the game. They could have reworked it and improved it... instead of scrapping it all entirely. And in return we've gotten what? A handful of short-stories without any connection between them. We lost a world, even if it was an odd and sometimes poorly written one.. and we gained... ah... Miss Fortune taking over Bilgewater? The new lore isn't anything worth writing home over... and it invalidates the entire premise of the game. The game is LITERALLY named after a thing that no longer exists. The "summoner's rift" is as well.

By the old lore if you tossed someone into the game and they asked what it was about... story-wise, the answer was simple. "You're playing a guy who summoned the champion you picked in champ select and you're making him fight other summoned champions in what is essentially a magical arena". The new lore doesn't have an explanation. Not every game needs one.. but league USED to have one. They could have tweaked things rather than scrapping the entire idea behind the game.

And considering how long it's been since the lore "rework", we haven't gotten much. It's been years and there have been what? Four lore events? Five? Noxus and Demacia haven't even been featured yet and the Demacia vs Noxus thing is kinda core to the setting and a lot of the champions. Hell, some champions have lore that only makes sense with the old summoner's rift and it has YET to be updated years after the fact. Lee Sin, Jax and Fiddlesticks still just... in limbo. And that's what the new lore is. Limbo. It's not the story of league of legends, it's fan fiction. It's someone telling a little story about Olaf, MF, Lucian, Leona, Taric or whomever... it doesn't explain the WORLD at all. It doesn't show anything but small snippets of stories that are just as often limiting and absurd just like the old lore was. So far the ONLY effect the lore has had on the game was giving GP a new skin.

Pardon me for not thinking highly of a story that takes years to tell, has no cohesion, and with wildly disparate tone... but that's what it is. The old lore was flawed, but it got me more into the game and the matches. The new lore does NONE of that, and isn't anywhere near a good enough story to justify what I feel was lost. Games should strive for immersion, not actively take it away to write edgy fanfiction involving the game's characters.

Beyond LegendsSep 18, 20164 votes

Did you read Shajro post on what we learn into 2014 and 2015. I assume no because you sound like an idiot. We have plenty Idea was the world is like in Runeterra, we don't have everything but we have more than you give credit for. We didn't have a world that is not completely developed but it's 100% better then the old one. To say it isn't, is almost objectively wrong.

Sounds to me your just bitching about not having a grand narrative. Let me in on a hint a world is not one story but a collectiom of many stories that may or may not collided with on another. Perhaps you were to ignorant or blinded by the world building that happen in the Burning Tides. If you are upset that Burning Tides didn't focus on say demacia then might was well said shadow and fortune should focus on refan instead. Highly irrational and stupid. The short stories that Riot gave us is very well crafted. Whether you like it or not is up to personal taste which differ person to person.

Also the magical areana thing wasn't even unique to lol. Dota's entire lore is that premise. Even if it was Unique doesn't equal good. League's premise was a lazy design, in fact the premise in general is horrible for story telling. People came to play a spartan, a tiny burst mage, a bear, and a small child who had a giant fire bear. No one came for the league they came to play the champions or heroes. It's matter donkey dick what the name of game is it's simply a marketing tool to get people playing a newly updated spin off of a dota sequal. The so call lore was a tack to the marketing of the game. It was lazily tack on the give minor color text to the champion if the game. There was zero thought put into anything.

Lastly about the issue of time let me give you a little something about those who bitch about. It took J.R.R token 37 years to develop the world of the Lord of the Rings took him 10 years to write about a dozen people. Now look at how big league roaster is and come back to me and bitch. I will slap your face into a canvas and sent you in and call in art. People seems to forget just how long it takes to write a story or is under the misconception that short story is some how easier to write. Riot aint Dc or marvel who lazy allow their writer to wipe away everything lazily and called it a reboot. Riot is working very hard to bring new things to this new reimagine old world. People seems to understand how much work it takes to make art. Don't take these things for granted just because you can't see the work and time people invested into it. A actual chinese proverb for you people: Minute of stage time, Ten years of prctice.

The WhamboozlerSep 18, 20163 votes

You're calling me an idiot over my OPINION and then you expect me to take anything you say seriously? Your post is an insulting pile of garbage and biased ranting because I dared to rustle your jimmies.

You're not expressing your opinion and stating why you feel it's a better one. You're just tossing insults and pulling unrelated things into the discussion as if that makes a point. Between that and how smugly you seem to act make me feel it's pointless to even continue talking to you. You're not debating this, you're just stubbornly saying "I'm right because I want to be and anyone who feels differently is stupid".

That my friend is how you lose a debate and come off like a fool. You make assumptions, bring up unrelated things as if they prove anything and basically fail to do ANYTHING to make this a sane discussion. Logic does not work the way you think it does. Nevermind that this is all opinion and neither of us CAN be wrong and... well... I guess I'll put it in words you'll understand.

You're an idiot and you fail at logic. Good day sir.

Beyond LegendsSep 18, 20163 votes

I'm calling you stupid because you blantantly ignore the fact that there was world building in the lore. I give jack pee pee on how you feel. Quite frankly I don't give enough of a damn on what your personal taste is. Your a retard for saying that things aren't there where it clearly is. You are a being stupid for being too blind.sided to understand why things are the things it is.

Also I didn't lose in logic your just being pissy like a bitch because you don't like my tone. Unfortunately I don't give real shit about how you feel. You can not like the new lore all you want, but don't put old lore on some bullshit predistal just because you don't like the new.one.

Quite frankly your the person that need to learn to logic. Attacking my tone instead of point shows just how pathetic weak your point was to start with ln

Tesla EffectSep 18, 20161 votes

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I'm calling you stupid because you blantantly ignore the fact that there was world building in the lore. I give jack pee pee on how you feel. Quite frankly I don't give enough of a damn on what your personal taste is. Your a retard for saying that things aren't there where it clearly is. You are a being stupid for being too blind.sided to understand why things are the things it is.

Also I didn't lose in logic your just being pissy like a bitch because you don't like my tone. Unfortunately I don't give real shit about how you feel. You can not like the new lore all you want, but don't put old lore on some bullshit predistal just because you don't like the new.one.

Quite frankly your the person that need to learn to logic. Attacking my tone instead of point shows just how pathetic weak your point was to start with ln

THIS, this whole comment speaks to me on a spiritual level.^^^^

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The WhamboozlerSep 18, 20164 votes

Your post basically could be summed up with "No, you" followed by a bunch of cursing. And I seriously doubt anytime someone says they don't care, yet bothers to reply... let alone rant on like you have.

But hey... anyone who disagrees with you is a big, stupid retard, right? Can't fault THAT logic.

Beyond LegendsSep 18, 20162 votes

I don't care how you feel or you as a person. I'm correcting you for making retarded assertion. Your ignorance the of the issue on the delay, your blindness in not seeing the world building. You are retarded in your lack of understanding. If you don't like the new lore I don't give a shit, but when you make some petty remark about how the old lore was "better" you better be expected to be called out of your own idiocy. Your bashing of the new lore is not critizism. Your lack of a ability to pull information from text shows you need to go back to school and relearn how to properly read.

If you cannot see the point then I do not mind shouting you down

The WhamboozlerSep 19, 20163 votes

"If you do not agree with my opinion, I do not mind spewing insults at you and calling you names".

No, I can certainly see that. You're the sort of person who just screams and curses until people give up talking to you, then declares victory because they stopped arguing. I'd say to make a point... explain what YOU feel makes the new lore worthwhile and what you feel it's succeeded at, but honestly, I don't particularly care what you think. I'm sure you'll just say "It's just obviously better and you're stupid for not seeing that".

You have to make a point for people to see it. And so far you've said nothing save to call me a retard about five times... and you didn't even cite any proof for that, so... yeah. Now curse me out and tell me how you're too good to EXPLAIN your point of view, but not too good or busy to post angry, insult-laden shitposts. How I missed a point that I'm fairly certain you ALSO can't explain... and how that means that you're better, smarter and cooler than me because you've decided you are... and your word is irrefutable.

Beyond LegendsSep 19, 20162 votes

Cite any proof your an retard...you think you can fling shit here and expect not to get shit flung back? Are you that socially retarded that you can't see why people are angry at you? Go reread the points you wrote down.

You need to learn to fucking ask questions. You lost your own point in you passive agressive spewls that no one should have given you any respect to begin with. Learn to actually RESPECT people opinions and likes before your open lunacy of a mouth. Do some basic fucking research before being a moron on here. Do you even have a point other than muh feeling aint right? We're ain't your shrink and we aint your parent. Deal with your emotional problems.

Don't come in here like your asking for a fight and run away like a pussy when the first punch flies out. Common sense, something that you clearly lack. Ignorance is no excuse for stupidity much less in this age of information.

You want to know why I like the new lore? Bitch you don't deserve to know, but I'll humour you with sime damning flaws why the magical arena is stupid.

The world of the new lore is a much more logical one then the old lore. The remove all the plot holes cause by the insritude. The institude made zero sense as a organization. It was suppose to be a magical UN of sort but it broke the basic rules that makes what the UN the UN. The Institude of War had both an insanely strong political power to force other nation to it's will. Why would Noxu ever agreed to an Ionian rematch? Not only that it had insanely strong actual power that is able to stop time and lock away extemely dangerous being. Hell it's able to forcefully summon people like Ezreal. It had too much power for a human organization and it made no sense why it was able to obtain all the power.

The entire reason why the institude was so powerful was to forcefully fit the magical areana trope into the lore. The institude without it's power cannot facilitate it's power of a magic areana. There is no possible scenario to force thresh and Lucian to work together to kill Miss Fortune and 4 random people without overwhelming force. It makes creating champions super restrictive because you had to forcs them into the league and put them into a shitty narrative to work. Mobas was never design for story telling so forcefully “connecting” them is stupid. No one comes for the summoners they're here because the champion are interesting.

The WhamboozlerSep 20, 20161 votes

Oh my god. I can't have this conversation with you anymore. Not only because it's pointless and frankly just REALLY stupid... but because imagining the first part of your mad rant being spoken out loud reminded me too much of THIS GUY for me to even ATTEMPT to take you seriously anymore.

And he's arguing about a fantasy-themed video game and the merits of it's story. I... I can't even anymore. I literally laughed so hard I almost passed out.

Um... you win I guess buddy. I can't repel an argument so poorly spoken AND illogical. It's like trying to convince the guy at the bus stop that the FBI isn't spying on him through his fillings. I don't think I can get onto your level.

So congrats I guess. This is the first time I've ever lost an argument with someone because I was too busy laughing to come up with a counter point. You should go into politics, man. Tell the world about "facilitating the power of a magic areana" or how lame the "institude of war" and "Noxu".

Seriously... you owe me a new keyboard you bastard. I snerked soda all over mine.

Beyond LegendsSep 20, 20162 votes

Ohh I hurt your feelings didn't I? Nice act in trying to act high and mighty so you can feel good about.your pathetic self. You're a joke, so pathetic thats barely even worth laughing at. You may now cry in the corner now child. Nobody cares nobody cares.

You see you don't have a counter point because the only counter point is this aint going the direction I wanted. Other than that you have nothing to base of othet than I don't like it.

The fact you were too retarded to understand what people were saying to you. Openly lying about the new lore so you can make some bullshit justification on why your point is better. I don't have time to convince you, I'm simply returning the vile you brought into here. If you wanted disscussion your wouldn't have to make up lies that the new lore is somehoe not ethablished. You don't even have basic fact, what's the point to debate with a retarde like you.

No you deserve to be kicked out. Here is a advice: through away your computer too. Quite frankly most people here have given up on you, the fact people havd openly agreed with me shows more then your petty downvotes.

Your sin was never to have a different opinion, your was being a lying %%%% that was too stupid to realizd what it's typing.

The WhamboozlerSep 20, 20161 votes

I hope for your sake that english is NOT your first language. Because you handle it as skillfully as a dog trying to ride a unicycle.

Beyond LegendsSep 22, 20162 votes

I hope for you sake your were adopt. I refuse to believe your not a botch genetic experiment of human cloning.

GreenLoreSep 18, 20165 votes

You act like the old world was sooo established,when it really wasn't.

Many places had barely any characterization. Bilgewater for example was simply "pirate-town",there was really no information about how it looked like,who ruled it,how the people lived there and what they believe in.

Similar the shadow isles were just the undead-isles with no real story,demacia was said to have strict laws,but this was never shown,Shurima was just an empty desert with some floating pyramids,sejuanis winterclaw tribe and lissandras frostguard were basically nonexistent(granted the freljord lore was updated before the big retcon was announced,but it was among the first retcons in general),Targon was just some big rock with rakkor and solari who didn't fit together at all,etc.

And summoning magic,the concept on which everything is based on,was really vaguely described. On the one hand it was said that summoners can't force champions to do what they want,on the other one they did exactly that with Nocturne. Not to mention that it was ridiculously broken since it was shown to have the ability to summon the real body of the champion against their will,pretty much meaning that there was nothing stopping the summoners from summoning a specific person into a deathtrap whenever they wanted.

The WhamboozlerSep 18, 20163 votes

Er, I didn't say the old world was "well established". Did... you not read my post?

I'll sum up my argument again here, since I ramble and often don't get my point across clearly. I said "the old lore made the game a part of it's lore, which I feel added to the immersion. I'd have preferred they update the old lore with summoners and the league matches and try to make it make more sense and have more depth than they discard it entirely and toss that fun immersion out with it. I don't feel the newer stories make up for the loss of the old lore making me feel more immersed in the game by making me "summoner" a character in the world and my matches an important part of that world."

I also mentioned that the new lore comes out at a snail's pace and adds nothing to the game beyond a few moderately interesting short-stories that don't really seem to connect. I'd rather be a character in the game again and have the matches mean something in the game's "plot" than know a short story about how Jhin shot a guy once while Zed and Shen talked about him. One gets me into the game, one makes me go "huh.... neat" and then stop giving a crap because it doesn't affect anything about the game and it will probably be months to YEARS for that story to resolve any more... and even then I doubt it will get any real closure.

GreenLoreSep 18, 20164 votes

You didn't say that the old lore was well established,but you complain about how the new lore isn't well established enough in a post where you argue that you like the old one more than the new one.

The WhamboozlerSep 18, 20163 votes

Again... if you would listen. I said I preferred the old lore because the game we play was a part of the old lore. The new lore renders the actual game non-canon. I said this... twice. I don't think that what we get from the new lore is worth the long wait between lore updates and the loss of the immersion when matches and players were PART of the world.

For the record... AGAIN... I did not say the old lore was amazing. I said "I wish they'd increased the quality of the old lore rather than scrapping the idea of summoners and the league entirely, because being part of the lore made the game more fun.". That is IT.

But hey... apparently a pile of people disagree and I've not started cursing you out and calling you all foul names like everyone seems to feel I deserve for DARING to express an opinion. No matter my opinion that just makes everyone doing it seem like an asshole... or at least incredibly immature. Disagree with me all you want, but I haven't heard a single person actually debate the issue with me... just call me names and act like jerks over it.

So screw it. I'm not going to even bother trying to discuss this with you unless you ACTUALLY want to discuss it. If you just want to act smug and curse me out I'll do what EVERYONE does when you approach them like that about their opinions. Flip you the bird and move on, because that immature BS is not worth my time.

GreenLoreSep 18, 20163 votes

The thing is that the moment you mention the "the new lore doesn't establish stuff"-arguement you are already implying that the old lore did a better job in that regard.

I mean why did you bring that arguement up at all if it has nothing to do with your main gripe?

I can understand that you dislike the fact that they rendered the previous lore invalid,but the only reason why you brought up this point was to make the new lore look bad in an aspect where it was actually doing a better job than the old one.

The WhamboozlerSep 19, 20163 votes

That's a matter of debate... and one I still disagree on. I got far more involved in Swain's ascent to power or in the implication that LeBlanc staged a fight to make Demacia look bad than I have in any of the current lores. Bilgewater was the best one and it didn't really change anything. Not really.

And it never will. With the game being separate from the lore now they could make bold moves. Kill champions... tell big stories that drastically alter things in the world. But it's been years since they started and they haven't even finished DEFINING the world. We still have no map. We have no idea what several factions in the world are like. We know... very little about the new lore and despite the grand stories it teases at... nothing happens. Azir rose from the sand and is rebuilding shurima... time to move on to something else! MF took over Bilgewater... but GP is alive and mad about it. Mordekaiser is an undead jerk... surely we'll resolve something someday.

They're not. They're telling short, moderately interesting character stories that mostly all exist independantly of each other. I feel this is not worth losing the idea of the league as an entity in the world and that tossing away the idea of summoners and matches was a mistake. They could have written characters who were champions in the league... the game didn't NEED star dragons and everyone and their mother being a god-being to be fun OR interesting. At this point the sheer gap in power and scale is gonna cripple their stories more than anything else. Can you imagine a story involving Garen, Katarina and say... Bard? You can't write for Bard. He just shows up and does things. He's alien... he's unknowable.

The old lore did establish things... poorly. The new lore has established a handful of places more in depth but the world as a whole is still VERY blank and poorly defined.

GreenLoreSep 19, 20163 votes

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That's a matter of debate... and one I still disagree on. I got far more involved in Swain's ascent to power or in the implication that LeBlanc staged a fight to make Demacia look bad than I have in any of the current lores. Bilgewater was the best one and it didn't really change anything. Not really.

It didn't change anything except for the fact that GP almost died and lost an arm,Bilgewater lost its leader and sunk into chaos,MF believes she got her revenge and TF&Graves are friends again....

The WhamboozlerSep 20, 20161 votes

Nothing much changed in the game. GP got a new base skin and MF got a new one for purchase... If you really wanna stretch it, TF and Graves got skins off it too. This is why I said Bilgewater was the "best" of the lore updates... because it actually affected the game a bit.

But end result... all the characters involved are still alive and the stage is the same as before. What changes if I make up a story where Ekko messes up his time powers and blows up half of Zaun? Nothing... because Zaun wasn't even defined before I said that. What's the half that's left? What effects does this have on the world? Well... none... the world isn't defined yet and everything's been kept vague. There were no stakes.

Hell, Riot killing GP would have given the story SOMETHING from a story perspective. It would show things can happen and change... as in things IN THE GAME. Saying "now MF is in charge of Bilgewater" means nothing because Bilgewater isn't in the game. It's just a slight tweak to the fluff. Saying "GP is now dead in-universe" doesn't really change much either... but it FEELS like it does. It shows that things can happen in this story. It means the next time there's a lore event there's a reason to care... because it might do more than just show a few characters from the game doing their "thing". MF being a pirate hunter... Lucian brooding about his wife... Olaf trying to die. We already knew that they all did that and were like that... and it changes nothing about their characters. TF and Graves got a LITTLE development, but Riot has 150+ champs to write about, so they might not get any more for YEARS.

League is a GAME. It's lore can't do the same job as a book can. It can't tell stories like that. It's too fractured and bizarre and ever-changing with the addition of new champs... yet also stagnant because no one's story ever REALLY resolves. Trying to turn it into something akin to a comic or graphic novel seems doomed to fail in the long run.

But regardless... that's just my opinion. I miss feeling like runeterra was a world and all of us players were a part of it. It was goofy but it worked fine as a plot for a GAME. There isn't a game in the lore anymore... it just reminds me of someone's edgy fanfiction that they're trying to have taken seriously. But I don't take it seriously... because at the end of the day, it's still about a hamster with a blowgun shooting a dragon while a magical girl fires lazers at a robot.

GreenLoreSep 20, 20162 votes

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Nothing much changed in the game. GP got a new base skin and MF got a new one for purchase... If you really wanna stretch it, TF and Graves got skins off it too. This is why I said Bilgewater was the "best" of the lore updates... because it actually affected the game a bit.

And what changed so much thanks to the JoJ? Oh right Swain got one skin and the new boots were called ionian boots.

But end result... all the characters involved are still alive and the stage is the same as before. What changes if I make up a story where Ekko messes up his time powers and blows up half of Zaun? Nothing... because Zaun wasn't even defined before I said that. What's the half that's left? What effects does this have on the world? Well... none... the world isn't defined yet and everything's been kept vague. There were no stakes.

Hell, Riot killing GP would have given the story SOMETHING from a story perspective. It would show things can happen and change... as in things IN THE GAME. Saying "now MF is in charge of Bilgewater" means nothing because Bilgewater isn't in the game. It's just a slight tweak to the fluff. Saying "GP is now dead in-universe" doesn't really change much either... but it FEELS like it does. It shows that things can happen in this story. It means the next time there's a lore event there's a reason to care... because it might do more than just show a few characters from the game doing their "thing". MF being a pirate hunter... Lucian brooding about his wife... Olaf trying to die. We already knew that they all did that and were like that... and it changes nothing about their characters. TF and Graves got a LITTLE development, but Riot has 150+ champs to write about, so they might not get any more for YEARS.

Because it would be stupid to kill off characters this early. "Oh hey your favorite character finally gets a role in a lore piece,but he dies and is never seen again" Like you say about zaun,they need to establish the stuff first. They didn't do it in the old lore,which is why they do it in the new one.

And again,where did the old JoJ do anything in that regard?No character in the old lore ever went through any kind of character development. You complain about stuff in the new lore that was even worse in the old one...

But regardless... that's just my opinion. I miss feeling like runeterra was a world and all of us players were a part of it. It was goofy but it worked fine as a plot for a GAME. There isn't a game in the lore anymore... it just reminds me of someone's edgy fanfiction that they're trying to have taken seriously. But I don't take it seriously... because at the end of the day, it's still about a hamster with a blowgun shooting a dragon while a magical girl fires lazers at a robot.

Well if you can't take it seriously,then why are you discussing this in the first place?

The WhamboozlerSep 21, 20161 votes

It's been years since the retcon and they haven't put out much... But whatever. I see your response to everything will likely be "JoJ didn't either, so I'm right". Yeah... JoJ didn't do much back in the day when league was smaller and not sitting on buku money. All it did was get people into the game. The biggest period of growth... the time when this little game was going from a small-scale DotA clone to the force it now is. THAT was the lore that so many people got into the game with. The campy stories about Janna's phone sex line. The Mundo memes. Garen in every bush. Everyone was a summoner and the game was fun. They even managed to tell a few cool stories despite all the absurdity. Swain's rise... Ionia's battle with Noxus... Malzahar throwing Kassadin's daughter into the void... LeBlanc imitating J4 to start a war. Things people got REALLY into and wanted to see more done with.

Instead of taking their new resources and ideas and making that old premise better... instead of giving the fans better versions of the stories they liked while keeping them a part of the world... they tore it all down. And this wouldn't be so bad except they haven't replaced it. Lee Sin, Fiddle and Jax no longer even HAVE lore. It would take an hour, tops to type up something for say, Lee... but nothing's been done.

It doesn't matter though. The new lore is here to stay and plenty of people seem fond of it. I'm not. That's my opinion. I think we lost a lot of immersion and Riot spit in the face of a lot of the people who got them to where they are with the sudden retcon. They literally retconned their fans out of the setting. That's gotta be symbolic. Riot feels like it's not doing things for the fans anymore... not like it used to. THAT'S what feels lost. We used to be part of this game... and now we're not. We used to be part of this story... and now we're not.

And the replacement for us that will make it all worthwhile is taking a LOOOOOONG time to get anywhere.

GreenLoreSep 21, 20163 votes

I really doubt that the JoJ had that much to do with it. I joined the game around the time when the JoJ was a thing and basically no one i knew cared for it.(I myself only started to get interested in the lore around the time of the freljord event)

But anyway,in the end I doubt that this discussion will go anywhere and it went already on for too long,so I think it is a good idea to stop here.

Beyond LegendsSep 19, 20163 votes

If you don't underdtand why they remove the institude go reread to what Riot told you exactly why they decided to go through with the retcon.

Perhaps you should do a basic level research before you open your mouth.

But since you obviously lacked the ability to comprehend basic reading here is a TD version for you.

The institude and the whole magic areana trope was removed because it was limiting in story telling. It was hastely put gimmick on the early stages of the game where Riot clearly didn't care too much about lore. An example of this is Yorick who was basicly a bad shakespaer reference. There was no potential in the magical areana trope and limits way too many story because of it

When all champions lore can be sum up in the end they join the league of legend, you know that it just become a cheap gimick. Moba who use this gimick have silly lore Smite, Dota. It does nothinh but hold down the the lore in general. The arrow that was killing the lore, why did you think joj stopped?

The WhamboozlerSep 19, 20163 votes

Ok... now pause for a moment... step outta your ranting dickishness and crank back on the insults and listen very closely.

I know exactly why Riot chose to do the retcon. And I DISAGREE WITH THEIR CHOICE, you fucking moron. The magical arena idea had PLENTY of potential to me... and that is a perfectly valid opinion to have. But no... because it's not YOUR opinion, you've been making personal attacks and talking down to me like you're some enlightened spokesman of sense and logic. You're not. You're a rude, arrogant shithead and you've succeeded in reducing the talk to your level. Congrats.

I preferred the old lore. They retconned it so they could make more outlandish champions but I don't LIKE those outlandish champions. I think Riot will realize pretty soon that writing stories when you've littered your lore with god-beings, celestial dragons and whatever the hell bard is will be just as awkward and impossible as writing new champions that could conceivably have joined the magical arena to fight for a cause. The difference is one was immersive and one is not. I don't know how else to explain this to you, so I'm done trying. Given how rude you've been with EVERY post you've made, I don't even feel you deserve it. You never wanted to talk about it or explain why you think the current lore is a good thing or does a better job of getting people into the game. You just want to flame, insult and twist words to try and imply I'm an idiot while making NO points yourself and then act like that means you've won something.

It's opinions. No one will win. All you've done is act like a huge dick.

Beyond LegendsSep 19, 20163 votes

Well Riot didn't so fuck off. If it had so much potential go write it yourself go create it with you own two hands. But you can't you? You lack the skill to do so. It's entertaiment move the fuck on if you don't like it. I don't agree with alot of things other people made either but I don't go and openly bash them.

You don't endlessly harrass a pizza place because you didn't like their pizza. Move to somewhere else you mororn, if you don't like it move the fuck on. Many people like the new lore and the direction it's going your not going to convince anyonen

In the end you never wanted a discussion. You wanted a self circle jerk of hate on the new lore. Hidden behind passive aggressive bullshit that so see through it's quite pathetic to read. It's been far too late to have this disccussion, being civil is as pointless and not worth the heart ache. Their are reason why people don't want to join your so call “disccussion” because it just some bullshit you say so you can feel good about yourself.

You think your special in holding this view? Fuck no. Hell I've been properly more civil to you then you deserve any credit for. Your little topic or disscussion have been discuss till the cow comes home. Its been two years, you ownly causing shit to stir.

Go enjoy your dillusion that Riot will bend down to your demands. I'll be here to scoffsr you when your post I'm quitting league because of lore pops of. I'll enjoy seeing your voice gone, I'll enjoy this newer world Riot has push out.

Their no winner in here is bullshit, because I have already won. I'm getting what I want and your not. You are hopeless in getting anything your way . The retcon has been firmly set in stone and you may scream till your lung collapse.

SaltyToplaneGoatSep 20, 20162 votes

Amen.

Seriously, old lore apologists can all fuck off in my opinion. It's even worse in the RP community over on tumblr. People act like their headcanons are law. The thing is: for old, shitty designed character with barely any lore there is a lot of open space for headcanons.

However, Riot is fixing some stuff right now, giving characters an actual story. However, that clashes with the headcanons and so they whine and whine and whine. Riot is the author of the characters. And the author decides what happens. The reader can accept that or fuck off.

Beyond LegendsSep 20, 20163 votes

Other then personal taste these people barely had any solid ground to stand on.

I'm actually surprise other people came out in support. Normally I'm the one setting fire to their venom. Guess they really annoy people enough that people actually came out to counter them.

Very sad state indeed...groan I don't even want to know the shit storm that will stir in the Yordle update.

SaltyToplaneGoatSep 20, 20162 votes

Yepp, they are annoying. Worthless self-proclaimed elitists who thinkl they are the "superior fans" because they remember the garbage that was the JoJ.

I really hope for Riot to just pull through with their changes. As long as it is high quality I am not going to complain. And these kinds of fans will hopefully leave...

The WhamboozlerSep 20, 20161 votes

Well, I guess you won because you said so. You showed me. Fuck me for putting an opinion down. And I don't know how you knew I thought Riot would cater to my desires for the lore. I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case, but the angry, rude cursing guy is USUALLY right... so I can't argue with ya.

And oh man... expecting people to calmly discuss their opinions without being jerks to each other? That's absurd! What is this, pussy-class? Nah, you got me there too. The only point of posts is to scream "fuck you, you're stupid and I'm right" at each other. I thought I would slip that one by you, but man... you're good!

And all my "screaming"? Damn... got me again. I had thought that I posted in this thread originally in response to the OP... but you saw through that farce to the fact that I was really trying to bait you, some guy I do not know... into coming in here and wasting your time ranting at me about how little my opinion matters and I don't deserve respect or civility because I DARED to post something online to.... someone who wasn't you? I'll admit, I'm not entire certain how that last part worked out, but I'm assuming you do since you're the smart one here.

I couldn't slip a single thing past you, you charming rogue you. So I shall simply thank you for the sport and be on my way. I'm afraid you'll have to find other people to pointlessly insult with me gone, but I know when I'm beaten, and I respectfully bow out to a superior opponent. I can never and will never be able to stand on level ground with you as both a jerk, a tool and an arrogant shitposter. Some of us just aren't destined for that kind of greatness.

Claim your trophy, my friend... and in the manner of your people, shove it RIGHT up your ass.

Beyond LegendsSep 20, 20163 votes

Be gone then? I wouldn't miss you a slight bit. I much perfer you and those too much of coward to hide behind the downvote button to pack up and leave. I certainly wouldn't miss you.

So you final see that your opinion doesn't matter? Good now leave I quite frankly don't find your point of view useful in any meaningful way anymore. Old lore is dead buried it. Beside don't try to act like a saint your not.

Beside being right means jack dick to me. Point is I won and you lost in what you want. I'm just shutting things down because this discussion is always going to be a waste of peoples breath. Telling fuck you is more is than the logical solution(much less an idiot who is blinded by nostalgia) . I ain't set out to convince you anymore, that time has long past. You may now leave and go do not miss you.

Perhaps next time you can come here with more than muh taste as a backing point. But you don't have one do you? Your a salty little shit because Riot didn't curve to you, tough luck mate but you can kindly just fuck off with your shit.

The WhamboozlerSep 20, 20161 votes

Masterful. You don't so much speak the language as chew it up and spit it like a chunk of gristle. I kinda want to keep you going just to see how much more mad, poorly written ranting you have in you.

Beyond LegendsSep 20, 20163 votes

Aww I like you too.Never have I met someone so retarded and idiotic.Can I keep you in a cage? It's great deal! You get a 24 hour of abuse everyday and I promise I wouldn't even feed you. I see no down side to this since you seem to enjoy being an idiot.

The WhamboozlerSep 21, 20161 votes

Barely even a full paragraph. You're even teetering on the edge of proper grammar too. Boring. Did you have someone else type this up for you? Explain to them how spaces work, otherwise they're doing well.

In any case... this got boring and it's not really much fun laughing at you anymore now that you're not madly rambling an incoherent mess of typos and poor logic at me, so I'm gonna head out. Thanks for the laugh, man. You've certainly convinced my of... um... I'm actually not sure what point you WERE trying to make.

I suspect you didn't have one beyond tossing out random insults like an angry kid with something to prove. So... I guess, just pretend you proved your point. You seem to pretty badly need that validation.

Beyond LegendsSep 22, 20162 votes

Sure whatever but when are you going to put on your piss cloth and go back to where you belong?

Valaran NaraSep 19, 20161 votes

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Just for the sake of curiosity and proper understanding, let me try and sum up a few points I think you were trying to say

Immersion (via lore) is better than disconnect

Overarching world narrative > individual regional events

Current Lore is "good", but the choice made to get there was "bad"

That's mostly what you're saying, right?

The WhamboozlerSep 19, 20163 votes

Kinda. And thank you for trying rather than just tossing insults like half the people on here.

I feel that the choice to render the game itself non-canon in it's own lore was a REALLY bad call that crippled immersion. The game is called league of legends for fuck's sake. The entire premise of it is gone now. Matches no longer have any place in the story of the lore. That's a small thing to most people but a big thing to me.

Yes, I also feel a well-developed world with room for fans to get into the characters is better than a VERY narrow story showing only a small snippet of the world and which has no connection to the stories before and after it. The old lore got people really into things. There were a ton of fan stories, fan arts and so on filling in the blanks about people's favorite characters.

The stories we are getting I don't even feel are terribly high caliber. I'd have much rather they take the old lore that they have already had for years and that many fans are attached to... and instead of SCRAPPING it, improve it. Re-tell the story of Fiddlesticks being summoned by some careless summoner and update his skins to make him a terror. Do an event where he disappears from his chamber one year for halloween and write a story about what happens before he's caught or even killed. They were building towards a Noxus civil war in the old lore... that would have been cool to see. Stories of corrupt summoners rigging matches or political problems from some nations not wanting to abide by the league's judgements could make for interesting stories. They scrapped the lore to write characters that could be anything, but the story of the game suffered because now there IS no story for the game. It's just a vaguely defined world where random stuff happens in places. Beforehand it was a world with a history and some weight to it, even if not every character fit into it neatly.

But now I'm ranting and repeating myself. In short, yes. I think they did the fans of the game a disservice by throwing away the old lore that they loved instead of building off of it or revamping it into new stories while keeping it intact and relevant to the game itself. The old lore was flawed as hell, but there was a world in it and we were all a part of it. The new lore reminds me of an edgy graphic novel.. the kind you buy, read once and never give a second thought. I don't even think it's very good. Well-written in places, but ultimately forgettable as a whole... and it does less to get you into the game than the simple premise the game USED to have was able to.

Valaran NaraSep 19, 20161 votes

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Aw, alright. Sorry about the negative feedback you get for your opinions. I am guessing part of the negativity is in part because it's an "old opinion" that caused problems before, but (for me mostly) you like to write swears a lot in there. Like, a lot a lot. I honestly thought you was just raging blindly until I was able to read part of a post where you said you "understood" how the new lore is.

Right now, I think the difference between the old lore and new lore (and we're not speaking of quality or caliber because you already expressed yourself on that) IS in fact the League.

While some things MAY have been possible, like what happened in Bilgewater (I still believe things would have occurred very differently if the champs had to worry about summoner interference), but at the same time, some stories shouldn't require direct interference from another. By that, I mean things such as Bilgewater's story being directly influenced from, say, Mt. Targon if the Aspects have nothing to do with the pirates. And as that "one-guy-who-does-nothing-but-cuss-you-out-like-his-word-is-law" mentioned before, Mt. Targon and Bilgewater weren't even factions. They were just land markers. The story of League mostly revolved around Noxus vs Demacia. Ionia was just caught in the mix because Noxus invaded. Everything else in the game prior occurred to either justify new champs existences or to give them a random "a day in the life of." Also, yordles count as "Day in the life of" because I'm pretty sure they were around purely to give us a non-human species that weren't a bunch of "monsters".

For the most part, I'm thinking this is like DC or Marvel comic universe. There could be an event which effects EVERYONE elses comics (such as the League, thus their is an overarching world narrative at the moment) like Marvel's Civil War or DC's Divergence. Those events, I equate to what it would be like if League was around: a giant world-changing event to which nothing else truly matters but the resolution of that story.

What League's story is now is just the DCU or MU having putting out issues or a "volume 1" for a super group or individual character interacting with the situation before them and not what is currently happening on the other side of the country.

Superman is not always there to fight of Batman's villains for him, nor would he know that Bats was in the midst of combat unless he was searching for him. (and lets ignore that Superman should, in theory, know what is happening everywhere in the country, or, at the least, most of it)

Neither is bad, necessarily. Just one includes everybody in something that would change the world. The other would include individual or a small group of characters dealing with their hometown (Spidey focused in Manhattan, Batman Gotham City, Howard the Duck in Cleveland)

Beyond LegendsSep 20, 20162 votes

I don't eat babies you don't have to vague post about me... regardless I don't think I'm acting my words are law. He was being an ranting idiot. There are ways to start a disscussion but he came in and ask for a fight but immediately cried when he got punched. If he want a disscussion he should have organize his point instead of going tagent on how the new lore doesn't establish thing when it clear does. Why should I go through his shit to find his points? Quite frankly I told him exactly why he is being dumb and irrational. Perhaps I could have been more civil but honestly I don't think this disscussion can be civil. It's simply not worth the heart ache anymore ever since the targon update. Seems like rationality is useless to old lore people.

But onto the main point wouldn't you say his gripe simply comes down to taste? Can you even have a valid critizism if your entire point is I liked that better? Is it valid that I think Star Wars is a bad movie because I didn't think it was dark or realistic enough?

Ebonmaw DragonSep 14, 20163 votes

Graves wanted to kill TF... but guess what? the lore progressed.

PraetorAmalthusSep 13, 20162 votes

From how I get it, Yorick does not really want to revert the Isles. He wants to bury them, like, in his eyes, when his Task is done, the Isles are nothing but dead rock. No Magic, neither holy and sacred nor dark and twisted. Maokai on the other Hand seeks to restore the Isles former Beauty.

MatthewRT2Sep 13, 20161 votes

the necklace he wears is a vial full of magic water that will revive the island

SharjoSep 13, 20162 votes

No it keeps him alive; its waters are far too depleted to restore anything.

Yorick wants to destroy the Isles all together, Maokai wants to save it.

abdollah56273Sep 14, 20161 votes

Well regardless, what will happen to Yorick in-game if he succeeds in his goals in-lore? Theoratically, once he has laid Shadow Isles to rest, he can finally have his eternal rest

Which theoratically means, he would no longer be in the game, since he's dead

Tesla EffectSep 14, 20162 votes

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Well regardless, what will happen to Yorick in-game if he succeeds in his goals in-lore? Theoratically, once he has laid Shadow Isles to rest, he can finally have his eternal rest

Which theoratically means, he would no longer be in the game, since he's dead

Yes because that makes sense for a game that has very little to connect it to the lore of the characters in that game...What we do in the MOBA should not hinder the lore of the world that the MOBA revolves around.

SharjoSep 14, 20162 votes

I mean we have HotS, another game where gameplay =/= lore, where long dead characters like Arthas, Tychus and Anub'arak fight alongside the other heroes there.

SomethingUnknownSep 19, 20162 votes

I hope we get more progression, but some champions are doomed to monotony like Kindred, Tahm Kench and Bard who serve one purpose only and will have almost no interaction with other characters.