I'm getting really worried about Evelynn's Visual Update

Linna Excel·Mar 6, 2017·5 votes·1,717 views

While there should be quality to it, I've got a feeling Evelynn isn't going to look identifiable after her rework.

Riot is going to change her visual theme, aren't they?

41 Comments

GreenLoreMar 6, 20175 votes

Well you say visual theme,but what do you understand under visual theme? I mean Galio is still a gargoyle made of stone,so by that logic he still kept the visual theme.

LanceworksMar 6, 20175 votes

Evelynns visual theme is pretty bad in that it doesn't exist.

She's a blue skinned human wearing spiky pink lingerie. Also she's invisible. People just hate change because they wear their nostalgia goggles too tight.

Linna ExcelMar 6, 20172 votes

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Also she's invisible.

I think this is more a problem of her gameplay UI than anything. Getting good UI is difficult and you have to be able to convey invisibility to the player is even more of an issue.

Linna ExcelMar 6, 20172 votes

A BDSM anime take on the sexy-blue skinned girl trope.

DrCyanideMar 7, 20171 votes

I mean Galio is still a gargoyle made of stone,so by that logic he still kept the visual theme.

So a champion being the same species they were before is all that's required for the visual theme to be intact after a rework? How does that make sense?

If they reworked Ezreal to have Braum's physique and made him a black guy that was down and depressed, would that be acceptable? Same species, changing the skin color because he's and adventurer out in the sun all day and black skin has advantages in that scenario. I'd argue that no, it wouldn't fly, because the personality is different as well as the visuals and how they carry themselves being extremely different.

Now, back to Galio. He's suppose to be a Gargoyle, but if the first teaser is anything to go off of they threw that out the window and made him a full fledged Golem that just happens to have wings. There's no possible way for Galio to perch on a building at his new size, he's bigger than almost everything we've seen in new Demacia!

GreenLoreMar 7, 20173 votes

Yes some champs are mostly defined by their species.I mean what makes Volibear stand out?Right the fact that he is a walking bear with armor.There is literally nothing else to his theme and the same pretty much goes for Galio.

This does obviously not got for champs whose species is unique to them,so this isn't really the case for humans or yordles.

Now you could argue that Galio is not just a gargoyle,but also a protector of demacia,however the new galio fills that niche as well.

And while the new Galio is technically not a gargoyle(like you said,he doesn't sit on buildings),he still looks enough like one to fit the theme,I mean Aurelion Sols theme is being a chinese dragon(with star powers),even though he isn't an actual dragon in the lore and he is only called a dragon,because he looks like one.

Last but not least I want to make clear that I'm merely talking about the visual theme of a champion,not his personality,because that is what the opener of the thread worries about.

OleandervineMar 6, 20174 votes

Of every champion, Evelynn needs a visual theme change the most. Demon Dominatrix covered in spikes and wearing lingerie is a 15yo wet dream and it's just stupid. She needs to feel like she's a part of the world, not just some angry stripper out to kill a pimp.

Linna ExcelMar 6, 20173 votes

Well, that's a very repressive opinion you've got there.

If anything, the BDSM subculture is bigger than ever regardless of anyone's opinion of it.

OleandervineMar 7, 20172 votes

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Well, that's a very repressive opinion you've got there.

If anything, the BDSM subculture is bigger than ever regardless of anyone's opinion of it.

This is irrelevant to BDSM subculture, which is still mostly considered taboo in most standard media outlets.

Evelynn by comparison to literally every other champion in the game does not fit at all. She wears lingerie and stiletto heels, and has one of the most ill defined themes and personalities in the game. She's utterly generic, and 100% teenage boy fanservice, and is nothing but perpetual sex jokes.

For her to be taken seriously as an actual ominous player in the world, she's got to look the part. No one is going to be intimidated by her current looks. She's intended to be from the Shadow Isles, but she doesn't fit. Elise actually accomplishes the seductive killer role a helluva lot better than Elise, and Elise has substance of character and a believable place in the world. She looks like she fits in among the monsters and the creatures of the night. Evelynn, meanwhile, is a scandalous smurf with pink hair, talking about inflicting pain and cracking sex jokes. That kind of looks and personality is just out of place now. When she was created, the game was young, and extremely tongue in cheek. Now that the game has grown up and actually developed it's own mythos and world, they have been dropping a great deal of the excessive cheese for fulfilling characters that you believe could actually live in this world. Evelynn is still one of those characters who's like a bad cartoon, a blemish on the nature of the game because she comes across as a ridiculous caricature and completely over the top when champions in the game now have a more developed and streamlined personal story. So yes, Evelynn in her current state needs to go. She's an eyesore and just out of place in a world where creatures like Maokai, Yorick, and Thresh hail from the land she's supposed to call home.

ThunderSkelettMar 7, 20172 votes

But i hav to give him right her Theme is Sadisum enyoing to inflict pain to others so i hink her Visual theme just fits her Charakter to good.

GreenLoreMar 7, 20172 votes

But other champs are sadistic as well. Shaco Thresh TahmKench are all pretty sadisitc and none of them run around in bdsm clothing(insert picture of BDSM Tahm Kench here)

So if you consider Eves theme to be sadism,then thats already covered by several other champions and not unique to eve.

ThunderSkelettMar 7, 20172 votes

sure when you think that then would you mind saying me why thei are Sadists

GreenLoreMar 7, 20172 votes

Because they love to inflict pain and suffering on others?

You don't need to be clad in leather to be a sadist.

ThunderSkelettMar 7, 20172 votes

ok tham is a daemon who eats and kills poeple thresh just steals your Soul and shaco maybe dont know his lore.But all those three when you Play them dont feel like sadists.

GreenLoreMar 7, 20173 votes

Ok so you don't know any of these champs at all.

Thresh tortures and kills people for his own enjoyment. In fact the sole reason why he collects the souls of his victims is because he continues to torture them even in death.

And Tahm only cares about making others suffer(he even says "from suffering my banquet is born")

ThunderSkelettMar 7, 20172 votes

And so is the question who was first eve or tham and thresh?and even so when thei are similar why cant eve just stay like she is?

GreenLoreMar 7, 20172 votes

Because diversity is important,otherwise we could get 9 different versions of garen as the next champions. And honestly even though Eve was first,that doesn't change the fact that these champs are all in the game now.

ThunderSkelettMar 7, 20172 votes

That is devinitly true but when you ask Evelynn mains why thei main her thei will tell you two Things first her stealth and second her Character so it would just suck if thei Change her look because it fits just to well to her Character in my openion.

OleandervineMar 7, 20172 votes

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That is devinitly true but when you ask Evelynn mains why thei main her thei will tell you two Things first her stealth and second her Character so it would just suck if thei Change her look because it fits just to well to her Character in my openion.

Her look is not who she is, it's just her looks. When her mains play her, I'm sure a few say "OMG digitits on invisismurf" but for the most part, I dont believe having her in lingerie is critical to who she is as a character. Evelynn is actually incredibly mediocre at the moment, and is probably one of the worst characters in terms of personality development and lore. Even Amumu has more personality and lore than she does, and he's steeped in just as much ambiguity. Evelynn needs a clearer direction in terms of who she actually is, and lingerie and spikes are the farthest from where she needs to go. It's possible to keep her being sadistic, cruel, and a heartless killer, as well as being a femme fatale, without resorting to teenage wet dream/nightmare fantasy.

ThunderSkelettMar 7, 20172 votes

I Play her alot and i don´t think "wow dam those big tits" and have a wet dream i think this is just my thought if she is based on a sadistc kind of succubus/Vampire a other look would not fit (did you ever see a Succubus fully clothed) and what is wrong with having a character who shows a lot of Skin on the other Hand I can see why it would bother some poeple that she shows so much Skin . A Little bit Backstory would also definitly not hurt. Does a character really need to have a 20 site fleshed out lore to be interesting why not keep her a mysterious heartless Assasin who no body knows who she really is. (i mean Rammus only line is OK)

OleandervineMar 7, 20172 votes

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I Play her alot and i don´t think "wow dam those big tits" and have a wet dream i think this is just my thought if she is based on a sadistc kind of succubus/Vampire a other look would not fit (did you ever see a Succubus fully clothed) and what is wrong with having a character who shows a lot of Skin on the other Hand I can see why it would bother some poeple that she shows so much Skin . A Little bit Backstory would also definitly not hurt. Does a character really need to have a 20 site fleshed out lore to be interesting why not keep her a mysterious heartless Assasin who no body knows who she really is. (i mean Rammus only line is OK)

Rammus is also old as hell and due for a VGU too.

But as for your points, you don't know if she's a succubus, nor do you know if she is a vampire. In fact, you know nothing of Evelynn, just like all of us. She has pretty much 0% back story so you can't particularly make conjecture about how she should or should not look based on a mythical monster she may or may not be. In terms of succubi, this is another, if not the most popular, succubus in modern media: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/s89o-zb9wEg/maxresdefault.jpg She doesn't resort to lingerie, and yet still manages to come across as a seductive character. This is another character who is a femme fatale. She is most likely the inspiration for Evelynn, and while she does show skin, the lack of clothing is not detracting to her overall appearance. This is seduction and skin done right. http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/7188b3dbb641786a821ce9e26dd7b779.jpg Below are a few more femme fatales, some of them mystical or monster based. As you see, they can do seductive without dropping their entire wardrobe 24/7: http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/36/590x/secondary/Kate-Beckinsale-as-the-vampire-Selene-291267.jpg http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/bayonetta/images/7/71/Bayonetta_Alt_SSB4.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/Ada_Wong.png

Hell, even Mortal Combat moved from this in their early years: http://www.fightersgeneration.com/nx/chars/mileena-mk9klassic.jpg To this in recent years: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/mkwikia/images/c/cd/Kitana_MKX_Render.png

This just goes to show that looks like Evelynn's are just dated and in many instances immature. Since League has been moving towards a more moderate in-between of their early early camp factor and the more modern, serious lore driven characters, characters like Evelynn can't really call themselves at home in the new world that Riot is designing.

WhoraThaExploraMar 6, 20173 votes

I am scared myself. I can only hope she isn't changed too much.

Linna ExcelMar 6, 20172 votes

Yeah. I personally would only change the technical aspects of her while keeping her fully identifiable post VGU. In other words, her outfit and skin color aren't broken, just the date they were made is an issue.

TyrekGoldenspearMar 6, 20173 votes

I have no clue why you say this.

Galio's still a gargoyle.

Linna ExcelMar 6, 20173 votes

He doesn't look like Galio though. That's what I don't like.

It's good, but it's not Galio.

KuroCaliberMar 7, 20173 votes

He fit Old Demacia's standards and aesthetic. Considering new Demacia's architecture, he no longer fits and the rework made him actually look like he belongs there. Although, I guess non-lore heads just see the drastic color change and shift away from a hunchbacked demonic body.

Linna ExcelMar 7, 20172 votes

I stopped caring about the lore when riot started retconning everything I liked. Why should I follow it if its going to be flushed down the toilet again in a few years? There's zero reason for me to be invested in the world's lore at this point because rito.

KuroCaliberMar 7, 20176 votes

Then you won't properly understand why he was changed the way he was. You only liked what he looked like, and didn't care why he looked like that. That's why to you, the change was illogical. It seemed pretty normal to me that a gargoyle that carries its champion's ideals would look like he's from the city of origin. I can't say I'm unbiased though, I really never understood why a gargoyle would be colored blue in a city with buildings of white, or why he just wasn't Gray like stone. I guess being a painted gargoyle would make sense, but given how old galio was supposed to be, why is paint not peeling?

Linna ExcelMar 7, 20171 votes

When was the last time I saw Damancian architecture in game?

Never.

Also, even if the stuff is white today it could be another color tomorrow because ritocon. So again, there's no point in continuity if it isn't good or you haven't earned it. Rito didn't earn it like the DCU. Even if they did, it's not a part of their game.

Galio was something I saw in game and now I won't. That trumps everything else hugely.

KuroCaliberMar 7, 20176 votes

Then you don't care about Galio's thematic. If you don't care about where he's from, or what he represents, then his only real measurement in your eyes should be his gameplay. That hasn't been shown yet so sit tight. If you think lore isn't part of the game, Warwick would never have gotten mechanical enhancements tying into Zaun. Even if you don't care, Riot does, and in the end, it's their final call.

Linna ExcelMar 7, 20171 votes

No, I care. He fails the eyeball test, that's the problem.

A theme from a place I never see in game doesn't really count when compared to what I have seen in game. As far as I'm concerned, that thing is not galio. It looks nice, but it's not galio. Random stuff that isn't in the game itself is just that, OOG (out of game). It doesn't count as a source.

Take the star wars canon. The EU stuff wasn't in the movies, thus they didn't matter and disney jettisoned them.

KuroCaliberMar 7, 20176 votes

If you are so determined to dislike visual changes, then I have no incentive to try and further justify why Riot has made the choices it has. I think it was justified, and you have every right to disagree, but I am not trying to convince you that your vision of Galio is not right, it's just what Riot considers when changing Galio as is much more than just what he is in game, if his appearance does not fit his place in Riot's current universe, then he is going to be changed.

If you are only concerned about what is in Game, then you cannot properly judge his appearance as it is so ingrained with his Lore. If what is in game is you "Eyeball Test" then you have every authority to judge his gameplay, but appearance changes aren't something you would be likely to understand or care for the context for.

TyrekGoldenspearMar 7, 20177 votes

Are you serious?

It's fine if you don't like the new lore, but for goodness sake they retconned the lore once.

So stop thinking they are going to do this every few years if they just did it once please.

RalanrMar 7, 20172 votes

I really hope there's some connection to bdsm fetishism with her update. I don't care if it's generic.

QMightyMar 7, 20172 votes

God I hope so. Currently she has nothing in terms of thematic except 'sexy'. I'm picturing a change to her visual theme on par with what Karthus got a couple years ago. Of course, she's gonna get Yorick-level changes to her kit, too. I'm super excited for her.

SherogarthMar 6, 20171 votes

U will get something named Evelynn. Thats it.

Linna ExcelMar 6, 20171 votes

Yep. And that's why I hate the VGU teams. Sometimes they do a good job but other times not so much.

Take poppy. Her oversized hammer is a bit ridiculous but she still looks like Poppy. Galio on the other hand doesn't look like galio. Warwick is... well there are changes I like about him but there are changes I don't like.

Same thing with the kits. Sometimes they get the kit dead on (warwick) and sometimes they don't.

midnight oil24Mar 7, 20171 votes

Well sometimes the kit needs a full overhaul. Sion had RNG and busted lifesteal for days, Poppy basically got "you are unkillable" for an ult, and Galio had a weird kit. Shields, lasers, tornadoes, and a taunt that forces enemies to do something that hurts them? Weird kit.

Linna ExcelMar 7, 20171 votes

Sometimes yes, but the problem is riot goes too far. Or too weird. Or gives a support an ult that requires them to hit level 16 when it's very difficult for a support to keep up in levels. And it's not always the kits riot screws up. Sometimes they get those right but mess up the visuals.

Yes Poppy needed a new ult. She didn't need what she got. It's got too much power budget for a full charge and realistically a full charge on it is often a mistake. While the old one needed to go, the new one probably will need to be fixed or replaced in the future.

midnight oil24Mar 7, 20171 votes

Things could definitely be better, but most of the time they rework these champs becasue they're bad for the game as a whole, or don't make sense thematically.

VelvetCrotchMar 6, 20171 votes

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While there should be quality to it, I've got a feeling Evelynn isn't going to look identifiable after her rework.

Riot is going to change her visual theme, aren't they?

Duh! ofc! i am soooo curious and impatient.