Aurelion Sol and Illaoi

XIII Vanitas·Mar 11, 2016·3 votes·13,139 views

Why does Aurelion Sol say that doesn't understand her god? Who is Nagakabouros and why does she want the cycle of life to continue?

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MasqureManMar 11, 20162 votes

Nagakaborous is essentially the cycle and reincarnation of souls with a will of its own. Think of a swirling vortex of energy with parts of it coming in and parts of it going out, and that energy is souls. Some weaker souls get bonded together in order to make stronger ones, and some are just naturally stronger than others. She wants the cycle to continue because that's how it should be. To stop the cycle, to try to exist outside of the cycle, is to pervert it and a crime against her and nature.

We don't know why Sol says this. I'm sure Illaoi wouldn't think she misunderstands her god, but she also might question some things if she was introduced to Sol. Perhaps Nagakaborous is one of the older entities that Sol has met before or come into conflict with.

RalanrMar 11, 20162 votes

That's what I thought. Though does this mean it's possible to draw Sol's power through an idol like Illaoi's God?

RiotFauxSchizzleMar 11, 20167 votes

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That's what I thought. Though does this mean it's possible to draw Sol's power through an idol like Illaoi's God?

How much can one truly trust a god's word?

RalanrMar 11, 20161 votes

I'm not a zealot of her God, but that blew my mind.

Illaoi's ultimate test seems likely the moment they meet.

WarlockLawMar 11, 20162 votes

Aurelion Sol doesn't have much of a reason to deceive her and considering how inconsequential her life is to him I'd say that line is fairly trustworthy.

RiotFauxSchizzleMar 11, 20166 votes

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Aurelion Sol doesn't have much of a reason to deceive her and considering how inconsequential her life is to him I'd say that line is fairly trustworthy.

Aurelion Sol is not a god, although I'm sure people worship as if he was one.

MasqureManMar 11, 20162 votes

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Aurelion Sol is not a god, although I'm sure people worship as if he was one.

Interesting! I wonder what our definition of gods is then.

QuephaMar 11, 20162 votes

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Aurelion Sol is not a god, although I'm sure people worship as if he was one.

He is powerful and a creator. Is that not the definition of a God?

SharjoMar 11, 20161 votes

God means different things for different people and in the Runeterran universe Aurelion Sol is really just another organism that inhabits the universe. He's mighty and wondrous but he's still as much a part of the universe as anybody else. What exists beyond him might seem like a God to him, but even that might not truly be a God either.

QuephaMar 11, 20163 votes

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God means different things for different people and in the Runeterran universe Aurelion Sol is really just another organism that inhabits the universe. He's mighty and wondrous but he's still as much a part of the universe as anybody else. What exists beyond him might seem like a God to him, but even that might not truly be a God either.

So to be a god you must be from outside of this universe? So every void creature is a god? Your definition has not cleared things up at all.

SkelenthMar 11, 20163 votes

I think to be a god, one has to stand outside of existence. Of course not in the way that everything that not exists is a god, but everything that is beyond existence. Think of it as circles: You've got a small circle in the centre; thats Runeterra Then, add another circle around it; that's the galaxy + universe Runeterra is in Then, you get another circle which represents the fabric of dimensions in the LoL-Universe (the Void is one of them) AND THEN, you finally draw a circle around that, and THAT is existence. Now you put a dot on the border of "existence" and thats your god. Truly beyond reality, but still able to interact with everything under it.

Now, Bard is to be put into the "fabric of dimensions"-circle, while Aurelion Saul is in the galaxy & universe circle (as far as we know), so Bard is actually a "higher" existence than Swole I actually don't think Nagakabouros has this status though, I think it is more of an aspect or force the way the Kindred are. It represents a "force of nature", in this case, Motion, Life or the Circle of Life

QuephaMar 11, 20161 votes

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I think to be a god, one has to stand outside of existence. Of course not in the way that everything that not exists is a god, but everything that is beyond existence. Think of it as circles: You've got a small circle in the centre; thats Runeterra Then, add another circle around it; that's the galaxy + universe of Runeterra Then, you get another circle which represents the fabric of dimensions in the LoL-Universe (the Void is one of them) AND THEN, you finally draw a circle around that, and THAT is existence. Now you put a dot on the border of "existence" and thats your god. Truly beyond reality, but still able to interact with everything under it.

I actually don't think Nagakabouros has this status though

And what lead you to this definition? What lines from champions make you believe that they are thinking about metaphysics when they use the term "god" instead of merely thinking "something more powerful than our race who was responsible for creating something we recognize as a foundation of our experience"

SkelenthMar 11, 20164 votes

I just pointed out how I think the LoL-Universe is built up, going from the standpoint what the different realms are and what power the Champions from those realms possess. I am sorry that I have this understanding of the term "god", while not thinking of how Illaoi (since she is the only champion mentioning a god) would define it. Anyways, Illaoi describes her god as the ultimate being and the one part "above everything that exists", fit the term quite well.

SharjoMar 11, 20161 votes

I actually tried to figure out a way to better explain it, and I couldn't actually formulate the words, so just disregard what I said as inane ramblings. Sorry for adding confusion to the conversation.

MelledoneusMar 11, 20161 votes

The God of this universe is the one who started creation. Aurelion Sol was just one of those born during the first moments of creation.

QuephaMar 11, 20161 votes

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The God of this universe is the one who started creation. Aurelion Sol was just one of those born during the first moments of creation.

THE God, not A god. Many beings on Runeterra use the term "gods" meaning they are not purely monotheistic.

MelledoneusMar 11, 20161 votes

The God of this universe is the one who started creation. Aurelion Sol was just one of those born during the first moments of creation.

I don't see the problem here.

RalanrMar 11, 20161 votes

Then...what is he to Ilaoi's God?

LankPantsMar 12, 20161 votes

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Aurelion Sol is not a god, although I'm sure people worship as if he was one.

My question here would be, is Illiao's god actually a god or just a powerful being similar to Aureion that wishes to be treated as a god?

Stars ShaperMar 11, 20161 votes

More like, how much would you trust a jehovah witness?

MasqureManMar 11, 20161 votes

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That's what I thought. Though does this mean it's possible to draw Sol's power through an idol like Illaoi's God?

Maybe, that's an interesting thought. I mean since his backstory said he created Runeterra's sun, they are already drawing on his power since the Ascended get power from the Sun Disc which draws on the Sun's power, and they are pretty much demigods. We'd need more knowledge of what Nagakabouros actually is and how it lends its power to Illaoi, but it'll probably be awhile before that happens.

I will say that the idea of Aspects, since they started out as a regular civilization like the others, is probably a perversion to Nagakabouros and Illaoi. They take over others bodies or bond with their souls to share a body, but they themselves defy the cycle by jumping around to different bodies.

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I'm not a zealot of her God, but that blew my mind.

Illaoi's ultimate test seems likely the moment they meet.

I'm pretty sure if Illaoi tested Sol, he probably wouldn't have a soul in the sense she's thinking. She probably should also hope he's amused or else she'll be dead.

Sol has a line about everyone being a little bit of stardust or something like that. I'd be interested if the concept of souls was linked to Sol and his stars somehow, but we honestly need more detail on Nagakabouros and alluded to gods like Sterak to go that far.

RalanrMar 11, 20161 votes

I meant that she'd be tested upon meeting him. As in a test of her faith.

XIII VanitasMar 11, 20161 votes

Nagakaborous is essentially the cycle and reincarnation of souls with a will of its own.

I thought the same thing, but then why does Aurelion Sol say that Illaoi doesn't understand her?

Either Illaoi misinterprets the will of Nagakabouros, or Nagakabouros is not what Illaoi think she is (meaning that she's not a real goddess, but a cosmic entity with a creepy obsession for the life of human beings).