Would Ashe know about Aatrox?

Ralanr·Jan 18, 2016·8 votes·5,152 views

Ok, I don't think knows name, but he at least knows what destroyed his home.

Now and are married. Married couples tend to share many things, but they also keep secrets from time to time. Since the main goal of is to unite the Freljord, she's more focused on peaceful solutions and has a lot on her plate with . Since 's goal is revenge for his clan. One clan seems pretty small in comparison to the rest of the freljord.

So would bother sharing his personal struggles of with ? Or would he keep it to himself?

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SharjoJan 18, 20164 votes

Ashe might know of the man with the living blade not from Tryndamere, but from legends spun about Tryndamere from before she met him. I imagine word of that event would have started circulating as he gained notoriety and rose through the ranks to eventually become the King of the barbarians.

She might've then asked him about it later, some time after their meeting, or perhaps she decided to respect his past and privacy. Either way she probably knows some stuff about Tryndamere's past, but depending on how stories about him have circulated may affect whether Aatrox as an entity is known to her or not, even in passing.

RalanrJan 18, 20163 votes

Personally I think it isn't a topic that is brought to the table often. I imagine Tryndamere sees this as too personal to really share with anyone and has to be solved by himself.

I really need to get back to writing.

RiotRiotJaredanJan 18, 201616 votes

Disclaimer: This is me on a Sunday night having a ponder on the thoughts given. Not anything in the works. In other words: prepare for some off the top of my head rambling that in no way indicates the direction of any story, or Narrative, or Riot, or ... stuff. We good? Cool!

Personally, and hypothetically, I think the closer Tryndamere would grow to Ashe, the more he would want to tell her and the less likely he would be to do so. If he came to truly trust her, and value her as a warrior (as well as his wife, lover, and leader), would he tell her something he wants to solve on his own, knowing she would want to help him?

We talk a lot about character wants vs. character needs when setting up story. In that vein, perhaps what Tryndamere wants is personal redemption through revenge, but what he needs is to finally trust someone else to share his battles with. Does he want to leave all that responsibility and leadership crap to Ashe? But does he **need **to learn to rely on others to fulfill his true potential? Perhaps he needs to learn that he has a more important role in things that asks more of him than just satisfying his need for revenge.

EDIT BEFORE POSTING: I just wrote six paragraphs that I now realize outlines a story I actually want to write at some point, so I'd better cut it. Yes, I'm a stinker.

What do you lovely folks think about Tryndamere's core motivation and the perspective of how it might have changed? Can he change?When I talk about not reading fan-fiction to avoid nicking stuff, but wanting to engage with you on characters, it's these kind of discussions that I adore. They speak to the heart of characters rather than plot, which I find both inspiring and more fascinating than talking about a possible story structure.

Thanks Ralanr and Sharjo.

Apologies for the less-than-stellar phrasing, I blame sleepiness.

SharjoJan 18, 20165 votes

I'll always be happy to include a Rioter in on the discussion; it adds a little something special when you get a bit of back and forth with one of the minds behind the very story you're hypothesizing about.

I feel like Tryndamere can change; although he's probably a bit of a stubborn old goat. I feel like a lot of growth for Trndamere can come in a sort of vicarious fashion by way of Ashe and how she makes things work. I've always wondered as to why Tryndamere agreed to a marriage with Ashe in the first place, I mean politics are nice, but Tryndamere's always been a warrior at heart and it begs the question as to how Ashe proved to him in the first place that she was someone worth taking seriously at all, let alone being someone he would marry.

I feel like Tryndamere at this point in this life has a part of him clinging to the past, clinging to his desire for vengeance, but the ideals of peace and prosperity through culture and community might be wearing down on that desire. Perhaps it didn't even start here, but when he was going solo as Barbarian King, and had to value the needs of his brothers and sisters in arms against his personal need for vengeance. This might sound weird for a fellow like Tryndamere, but I feel like he's reaching a boiling point, especially considering now he's involved in a civil war where on the one hand he can let loose and murder with his great warrior spirit, but there's the underlying conflict of this being a war for peace at the end of the day, and he has to balance internally what Ashe would think and what she wants, comparatively to what he thinks and wants in regards to these goals.

I feel like he might end up eventually bursting and hurting Ashe at some point, both physically and emotionally. Ashe is young but wise so I feel she'd be able to at least try to push past such a thing and get to the heart of the matter, and maybe help Tryndamere come to terms with any inner conflict he's got going on. How that affects him later down the road is debatable, but I feel like of all of Freljord's cast, Tryndamere's the guy who's going to be the most conflicted and bogged down; he's got the warrior spirit of a tribesman of the Winter's Claw, and yet fights for the cause of the peace-mongering (is that even a word?) Avarosan. Actually that exact point is something I feel like would be a point Ashe would bring up; do you fight for peace or conquest?

Just some ramblings on my part, although I should put a big disclaimer up that personally I want Trundle to be the victor in this great Freljord conflict, so I may not have the best intentions for every Freljordian out there!

RiotRiotJaredanJan 18, 20164 votes

That all makes a lot of sense to me, and there are questions in there we've pondered about those two at quite some length.

Well, except for the Trundle part—it's obvious he won a long time ago.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

SharjoJan 18, 20162 votes

You can't deny the Troll King!

WarWorkJan 18, 20161 votes

i think it would be cool if Trynd told her and she didn't believe in Aatrox. She thinks he's personifying his rage and using a legend as the basis. Trynd feels hurt and they split only for Aatrox to stir up trouble in the freljord, Ashe feels bad cuz Trynd was right but his heart is now cold as his wife didnt believe him.

And this could lead to a Freljord themed Aatrox skin.

RiotRiotJaredanJan 18, 20164 votes

Hmm, nice! She thinks he was young, terrified, half-dead. Ashe also knows Trynd isn't a fan of admitting weakness, so sure, that's what he thought he saw.

That would drive him up the bloody wall (blood provided by some unfortunate passer-by).

Fun stuff!

RalanrJan 18, 20164 votes

Personally I think it would be after a moment where Tyrnd almost lost control.

I keep imagining him having PTSD due to the horrors he experienced as a child.

I should really be writing a fanfic. Gotta beat you guys to the punch!

Rito StaffJan 18, 20161 votes

{quoted} We talk a lot about character wants vs. character needs when setting up story. In that vein, perhaps what Tryndamere wants is personal redemption through revenge, but what he needs is to finally trust someone else to share his battles with. Does he want to leave all that responsibility and leadership crap to Ashe? But does he **need **to learn to rely on others to fulfill his true potential? Perhaps he needs to learn that he has a more important role in things that asks more of him than just satisfying his need for revenge.

Wow I relate to this in my life, my eye got watery but I didn't let the sucker out.

EDIT BEFORE POSTING: I just wrote six paragraphs that I now realize outlines a story I actually want to write at some point, so I'd better cut it. Yes, I'm a stinker.

See, it means that answering posts a day keeps the creativeness not away.. so it was said by .. someone

turkeyBACONJan 19, 20161 votes

lovers

Is that confirmed then? I kinda liked the idea of them being a more political marriage than that one of love. It'd be an interesting atypical experience to explore.

RiotRiotJaredanJan 19, 20163 votes

Nope, not confirmed, more a possible direction. I like them as politically aligned too. There is absolutely a possibility that they would remain in a loveless marriage. In fact, a union where they grow to respect each other and trust each other without going down the path of romantic love is an interesting one. Think House of Cards but less Machiavellian. Again, just possibilities.

KING ATTILAJan 19, 20161 votes

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Disclaimer: This is me on a Sunday night having a ponder on the thoughts given. Not anything in the works. In other words: prepare for some off the top of my head rambling that in no way indicates the direction of any story, or Narrative, or Riot, or ... stuff. We good? Cool!

Personally, and hypothetically, I think the closer Tryndamere would grow to Ashe, the more he would want to tell her and the less likely he would be to do so. If he came to truly trust her, and value her as a warrior (as well as his wife, lover, and leader), would he tell her something he wants to solve on his own, knowing she would want to help him?

We talk a lot about character wants vs. character needs when setting up story. In that vein, perhaps what Tryndamere wants is personal redemption through revenge, but what he needs is to finally trust someone else to share his battles with. Does he want to leave all that responsibility and leadership crap to Ashe? But does he **need **to learn to rely on others to fulfill his true potential? Perhaps he needs to learn that he has a more important role in things that asks more of him than just satisfying his need for revenge.

EDIT BEFORE POSTING: I just wrote six paragraphs that I now realize outlines a story I actually want to write at some point, so I'd better cut it. Yes, I'm a stinker.

What do you lovely folks think about Tryndamere's core motivation and the perspective of how it might have changed? Can he change?When I talk about not reading fan-fiction to avoid nicking stuff, but wanting to engage with you on characters, it's these kind of discussions that I adore. They speak to the heart of characters rather than plot, which I find both inspiring and more fascinating than talking about a possible story structure.

Thanks Ralanr and Sharjo.

Apologies for the less-than-stellar phrasing, I blame sleepiness.

I'm a huge Tryndamere fan. He was the first champion I decided to main and after 5-6 years, I still desire to pretty much play Tryndamere. He is the shit.

I think that Tryndamere's story can go multiple ways with complexity. Aatrox gave Tryndamere the bloodlust that he has, but why? Does Tryndamere become enthralled in the Freljord war and Ashe, yet Aatrox returns at the time of peace and Tryndamere is consumed again with revenge? (Makes me think of Tryndamere being similar to Sasuke) Does Tryndamere ultimately become Demonblade Tryndamere because of Aatrox?

I'll talk myself in circles but Aatrox's personal interest in Tryndamere is, without a doubt, the most interesting thing in the entirety of League, to me.

CHEAT ENGINE ssdJan 20, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Disclaimer: This is me on a Sunday night having a ponder on the thoughts given. Not anything in the works. In other words: prepare for some off the top of my head rambling that in no way indicates the direction of any story, or Narrative, or Riot, or ... stuff. We good? Cool!

Personally, and hypothetically, I think the closer Tryndamere would grow to Ashe, the more he would want to tell her and the less likely he would be to do so. If he came to truly trust her, and value her as a warrior (as well as his wife, lover, and leader), would he tell her something he wants to solve on his own, knowing she would want to help him?

We talk a lot about character wants vs. character needs when setting up story. In that vein, perhaps what Tryndamere wants is personal redemption through revenge, but what he needs is to finally trust someone else to share his battles with. Does he want to leave all that responsibility and leadership crap to Ashe? But does he **need **to learn to rely on others to fulfill his true potential? Perhaps he needs to learn that he has a more important role in things that asks more of him than just satisfying his need for revenge.

EDIT BEFORE POSTING: I just wrote six paragraphs that I now realize outlines a story I actually want to write at some point, so I'd better cut it. Yes, I'm a stinker.

What do you lovely folks think about Tryndamere's core motivation and the perspective of how it might have changed? Can he change?When I talk about not reading fan-fiction to avoid nicking stuff, but wanting to engage with you on characters, it's these kind of discussions that I adore. They speak to the heart of characters rather than plot, which I find both inspiring and more fascinating than talking about a possible story structure.

Thanks Ralanr and Sharjo.

Apologies for the less-than-stellar phrasing, I blame sleepiness.

Is there more lore coming down the pipe for us Aatrox fans?

RiotRiotJaredanJan 20, 20161 votes

Eventually, yes, I have no doubt. However, there's nothing specific I can speak to, sorry.

Crys3sJan 20, 20161 votes

In reference to character's with relationship dualities, ever think about a skin set for couples? Closest I could see is the Garen/Lux Steel Legion Skin's (Brother/Sister).

lolipopevelynnJan 18, 20163 votes

aatrox is kinda like this games God of War is he not? im pretty sure everyone who has been in many wars knows him.

whats also interesting is that kindred knows aatroxs "real" name and they do not "fear" him, as if he should be someone to be feared. that is very very interesting.

ExecutorDillJan 19, 20161 votes

:o this is getting good. Been away from consistenly playing league for like a month or 2 now (sometimes I just log in play a game log out and don't come back in days) and I've been away from boards and lore dicussions even longer. Been playing warframe :/ but since the shen rework I think I'll be back for a very long time :3

WotainWintermoonFeb 2, 20161 votes

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aatrox is kinda like this games God of War is he not? im pretty sure everyone who has been in many wars knows him.

whats also interesting is that kindred knows aatroxs "real" name and they do not "fear" him, as if he should be someone to be feared. that is very very interesting.

how does kindred know aatrox's real name?