Shadow Isles and Death, Why Morde's title feels wrong and More (Making everyone happy, kinda)

Malicious Metal··219 votes·55,525 views

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Now that the initial outrage about Mordekaiser's title change has calmed down I'd like to seize this opportunity to try and spark a civilized discussion on why Morde's new title just feels so off and why/how Metal needs to be included in his character concept.

I understand Riot's sentiment to change Mordekaiser's title, I really do, and I'd be fine with it if it wouldn't include him lose his afflicition to metal since I, amongst a lot of people, find it essential to the character but I'm digressing. Morde needs a new title to make him less of a walking joke in Riot's eyes but he has to be kept heavy and metal at all cost.

So, let's jump right into why the new title of Lord of Death is a bad idea.

Death and the Shadow Isles What do all Shadow Isle champions have in common? They're dead, undeath being their primary attribute but NOT their sole characteristic making them the characters we all know and love;

Hecarim, The Shadow of War Hecarim is undead like the rest of the SI roster but like the rest he gives his own little spin to his affiliation with death; He is death brought by WAR, he tramples the living under his hooves, he's the herald of death on the battlefield. He's the militaristic aspect of death and this makes him unique, he could be named the Herald of Death but death being the primary attribute of any SI champion would make it seem bland and unimaginative. This is why he's the Shadow of War, the death brought by conflict!

Thresh, the Chain Warden Thresh is dead, period! But he's way more wicked than any other shadow isle champion. He's sadistic torment, he revels in the slow, agonizing death and the torment of one's soul beyond the grave. He could be named the tormentor of the dead but he's the chain warden! He's a wicked version of a prison warden, he locks the living away only to break them apart bit by bit and adding their souls to his growing collection of prisoners to torment.

Karthus, the Deathsinger Whereas Thresh is torment and damnation and Hecarim is death by war, Karthus' element is the reverence of death, accepting it, no embracing it even. He represents death as a new beginning, not an end. He may be the lord of death but he's far more. He's somewhat religious, praising undeath and spreading the word of it like gospel. He's the deathsinger, singing of the glory of death

Hope you see the pattern here; Every other Shadow Isle champion is Dead but they all bring their unique spin to the concept of death/undeath as well as adding flavor with their own character and aesthetics, be it a chorus of singing souls, chains and sickles, spectral riders and cavalry. They're all Lords of Death but with their own little spectrum and with their own ways to spread death.

Mordekaiser's new title doesn't reflect that. It's just bland. He may be dead but there are aspects of his being that are far more essential to him being undead than the simple fact that he refuses to die; **Mordekaiser is conquest, domination/submission of the very essence of life and the soul! ** His sheer will bends the fabric of life and death and not even death can save you from his dominion over your spirit! He's got power over death but it's not as simple as "Lord of Death", no. He has his own ways, which should be appropriately shown with a fitting title and not this bland one.

Mordekaiser's new lore and how Metal could be included

''All things must die... and yet I live on.'' The baleful revenant Mordekaiser is among the most terrifying and hateful spirits haunting the Shadow Isles. He has existed for countless centuries, shielded from true death by necromantic sorcery and the force of his own dark will. Those who dare face Mordekaiser in battle risk a horrific curse: he enslaves his victims' souls to become instruments of destruction.

This has so much potential! He's basically league's version of Sauron, who refuses to die even though his body already succumbed to the sands of time. His malice, his will to dominate, his undying force of resolve, his grim purpose, it keeps him alive, sustains him, it's his driving force.

This is where Metal could come in! His Armor serves as a prison! They tried to lock him away in a state of pure agony and pain. But instead of succumbing to it HE BENDS IT TO HIS WILL. His sheer determination and resolve makes him overcome the confinements of his metal shell as he harnesses its power for his own gain. The cruel irony of it! Only with his dark will he managed to use the power that should keep him at bay against his enemies, harvesting the pain it inflicts unto him as his well of power, using its metal as an extension of his force of will. -> Metal wasn't his primary attribute but due to him being a prisoner in an iron maiden-like armor, tormenting his very essence, he managed to overcome its restrictive and tormenting dominion over his soul to bend it to serve him! Truly a testament of how much grim resolve he harbors, how powerful his spirit must be in order to turn the subject of his own suffering against those who oppose him. True conquest! His power over metal having been a failed attempt to cage his malicious essence only for it to serve as "The One ring". A vessel for his power which he uses in order to maifest his dark dominion over death and in a lesser extent Metal!

I see that Riot thought Metal would be a limiting factor as it truly inhibits Morde from being something else than a walking, talking Metal reference. They have to think outside the box! We all love Morde, The Master of Metal, but Riot has other plans for him, his lore building up to this malefic force of darkness, a true Murder Emperor. Metal has to be included in some way, even if not prominently. This was shown by the outrage over his title change but it mustn't become his sole attribute. Morde has always been defined by his passive and ultimate, Metal and Undeath, Dominion over the cold, inhuman metal and the curses of the unliving.

Metal is important to him like DEMACIAAA's essential to Garen. Yet it shouldn't be the only focus of his lore. Even Garen's redeeming character traits are loyalty and bravery so why can't Morde be the master of Metal BUT MORE? You can get a title that reflects both his imposing metallic stature and his mastery over undeath, a true Iron Revenant.

I hope Riot finally comes to realize that Metal as an iconic element to Morde could be used to differentiate him from his undead homies, to spice up his appeal, to please those who love him as a Metalhead, to even further stress the importance of his unyielding will to dominate and conquer and to truly make Mordekaiser be the pinnacle of both Riot's and the Community's visions coming together to form the perfect champion background and appeal.

Thank you for reading, Malicious Metal out!

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165 Comments

Veraska121 votes

The iron revenant?

It's got references to metal while also conveying strength and assertion (iron is often viewed as a tool of power, like the iron thrown) and revenant are people who have returned (from the dead ussually)

The iron revenant sounds like the name of a legend war veterans tell of a baleful king in a giant suit of armor that could steal their allies souls l

I like it at least, and I enjoyed your analysis of morde Title but I do think the "morde names are all heavy metal songs so he should just be the master of metal" argument is a little gimmicky, with that logic yorick should be the harbinger of the apacolypse. But I don't play morde so take my opinion here with a grain of salt.

I really like the sauron comparison too.

Malicious Metal24 votes

Yeah, I like them actually conveying what Morde's supposed to be; A grim revenant with unyielding spirit seeking eternal conquest of the living.

The Iron Revenant or maybe even the Templar of Steel, something that fits his theme of league's version of Sauron, a being so malicious and powerful that they had to lock him up in a suit of iron only for him to bend it to his will as well.

Something grand, something intimidating, something that will make both the Metalmaniacs and the Subjugators of Souls happy.

Veraska8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=kqtsql6J,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2015-10-16T14:09:48.822+0000)

Yeah, I like them actually conveying what Morde's supposed to be; A grim revenant with unyielding spirit seeking eternal conquest of the living.

The Iron Revenant or maybe even the Templar of Steel, something that fits his theme of league's version of Sauron, a being so malicious and powerful that they had to lock him up in a suit of iron only for him to bend it to his will as well.

Something grand, something intimidating, something that will make both the Metalmaniacs and the Subjugators of Souls happy.

The iron curtain lol cold war jokes

You play a lot of morde, at least I think so assuming your name so I gotta ask you about things you like and dislike about the current morde?

Malicious Metal12 votes

I like the % max hp shield scaling, it encourages tanky builds I like that his shield doesn't decay past a certain % I like him being more of a bruiser I like having consistent damage

I dislike him being forced bot -W xp passive -Dragon ghost being so overbearing -Nerf to his shield gain -Less metal particles

So yeah, i have mixed feelings about the rework on a gameplay perspective but am still hopeful that with the right tweaks Morde could be a great addition to the game.

kagepaladin7 votes

I agree with your list but my least favorite thing is the new Q and he now is stronger played as AD instead of AP.

Daen6 votes

Templar of Steel

The word "templar" is generally associated with religion and power, and it's used in a lot of video games as a healing class or something equally pure in nature. I'm not sure that particular wording would work well for Mordekaiser.

Malicious Metal6 votes

I know, it's a metal reference^^

Templars of steel- steel meets steel album- Hammerfall

Kuroi863 votes

Actually, given how some of the shadow isle champs treat death as a sort of religion, it could work. Add to that Morde is a tanky armored champion that can heal his allies. I'd tweak it a little to denote him being more on the dark side though. Something like The Shadowsteel Templar.

Daen18 votes

"Mordekaiser - The Iron Revenant" sounds pretty fantastic, great idea!

Decrit7 votes

I proposed something in the line of this and i agree. Something that is not a true joke in the face, but rather something that is left to be understood between the lines.

RiotAnt in Oz163 votes

Hey Veraska,

We really love your suggested title: The Iron Revenant. It fits his thematic better, and just feels, well, right.

Long and short of it - we're gonna go with your suggestion, and change Mordekaiser's title to "The Iron Revenant." You guys should see this change with the next patch (though it could slip to the next if things don't line up).

Thanks for the suggestion (and everyone's feedback).

Cheers!

Praetor Don16 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ant in Oz,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=kqtsql6J,comment-id=00030003,timestamp=2015-10-20T00:18:40.682+0000)

Hey Veraska,

We really love your suggested title: The Iron Revenant. It fits his thematic better, and just feels, well, right.

Long and short of it - we're gonna go with your suggestion, and change Mordekaiser's title to "The Iron Revenant." You guys should see this change with the next patch (though it could slip to the next if things don't line up).

Thanks for the suggestion (and everyone's feedback).

Cheers!

http://i.imgur.com/oluOJ20.gif

TerraRising11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ant in Oz,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=kqtsql6J,comment-id=00030003,timestamp=2015-10-20T00:18:40.682+0000)

Hey Veraska,

We really love your suggested title: The Iron Revenant. It fits his thematic better, and just feels, well, right.

Long and short of it - we're gonna go with your suggestion, and change Mordekaiser's title to "The Iron Revenant." You guys should see this change with the next patch (though it could slip to the next if things don't line up).

Thanks for the suggestion (and everyone's feedback).

Cheers!

Hehe, I'm also glad you decided to go with the correct spelling of "Revenant." Oi!

RiotAnt in Oz26 votes

Haha, yes, me too. That wasn't embarrassing at all. ;)

UnlimitedNinja418 votes

I gotta say, It's really great that you guys are listening and taking advice from your community. It really shows that we're all human here. :)

TurquoiseYoshi11 votes

Now that's an awesome and fitting title.

Mordepool15 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ant in Oz,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=kqtsql6J,comment-id=00030003,timestamp=2015-10-20T00:18:40.682+0000)

Hey Veraska,

We really love your suggested title: The Iron Revenant. It fits his thematic better, and just feels, well, right.

Long and short of it - we're gonna go with your suggestion, and change Mordekaiser's title to "The Iron Revenant." You guys should see this change with the next patch (though it could slip to the next if things don't line up).

Thanks for the suggestion (and everyone's feedback).

Cheers!

If your first post asked For player suggestions for you to pick a new title From

The Rage never would have been as bad.

We are Passionate Mordekaiser Mains he is an old champion and the Love for him Runs Deep

All we want is more interaction between us and Riot.

It Would go a long way to make it feel like we were working with you during Mordekaiser's Transitionary State making him better Together

As opposed to feeling like Riot is Destroying our Champion with no Regards how we might feel about it

Veraska50 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ant in Oz,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=kqtsql6J,comment-id=00030003,timestamp=2015-10-20T00:18:40.682+0000)

Hey Veraska,

We really love your suggested title: The Iron Revenant. It fits his thematic better, and just feels, well, right.

Long and short of it - we're gonna go with your suggestion, and change Mordekaiser's title to "The Iron Revenant." You guys should see this change with the next patch (though it could slip to the next if things don't line up).

Thanks for the suggestion (and everyone's feedback).

Cheers!

Does this mean I can work for riot now?

All jokes (yes jokes. That's what I'll call it. Jokes) aside, that's super cool, I'm really happy y'all like the name, I'm so excited to hear this, you have no idea, this game means so much to me and I'm excited to contribute to its artistic direction even a lil bit, thank you!

EDIT: will I get a shout out in the patch notes? C:

Azteryz32 votes

dude you just made history D:

Ibuki Suika2 votes

grats! thats a way better title tho i still think master of metal was the best this is still way better than the last one. good job!

Solidair312 votes

Good call, Anty! Glad to see you guys are flexible on this!

ArcticSirius12 votes

Omg I'm just fanboying (fangirling?) over here that you guys took a fan suggestion and decided to make it so

Troll for Trump4 votes

They've done a lot. They just never get noticed, and get overshadowed by the "WTF THIS IS SO OP" complaints

ArcticSirius3 votes

I know, but this Mordekaiser who's one of my favourites (along with Shyvana). Having a fan based name suggested for his new title is pretty sick

Stephenizgod9 votes

Omg thank you! The Iron Revenant is not only better sounding then his original and the proposed new one, it also fits his theme perfectly.

Thank you for commenting and letting us know what's going on, I can't really speak for everyone but I'm super happy we are getting information on Mordekaiser from Riot :).

Vellich0r4 votes

Thank you so much!

sp4415 votes

Oh thank CHRIST! That's a much better name.

Shosuko3 votes

I still think you guys are moving him away from his most central essence. The particle reworks should have been more metal, and less shadowy. That is why the metal seems off, because it was taken away.

What he needs isn't this little re-work that leaves too much of the bad parts the same. He needs a full on rework on the scale of Sion. Redo the entire kit! His abilities mean nothing to his flavor.

CupcakeTrap3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ant in Oz,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=kqtsql6J,comment-id=00030003,timestamp=2015-10-20T00:18:40.682+0000)

Hey Veraska,

We really love your suggested title: The Iron Revenant. It fits his thematic better, and just feels, well, right.

Long and short of it - we're gonna go with your suggestion, and change Mordekaiser's title to "The Iron Revenant." You guys should see this change with the next patch (though it could slip to the next if things don't line up).

Thanks for the suggestion (and everyone's feedback).

Cheers!

Just wondering—what was wrong with "The Master of Metal"?

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

Any news of if the balance team is going to revert him or rework him again? Also what was wrong with his old title? Glad to see some feedback taken to heart, but still disappointed he's being railroaded.

Jaghatai1 votes

{quoted}

The iron revenant?

It's got references to metal while also conveying strength and assertion (iron is often viewed as a tool of power, like the iron thrown) and revenant are people who have returned (from the dead ussually)

The iron revenant sounds like the name of a legend war veterans tell of a baleful king in a giant suit of armor that could steal their allies souls l

I like it at least, and I enjoyed your analysis of morde Title but I do think the "morde names are all heavy metal songs so he should just be the master of metal" argument is a little gimmicky, with that logic yorick should be the harbinger of the apacolypse. But I don't play morde so take my opinion here with a grain of salt.

I really like the sauron comparison too.

I think the Mordekaiser community needs to band together and get this person an RP giftcard!

Veraska3 votes

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I think the Mordekaiser community needs to band together and get this person an RP giftcard!

vantriliquist voice across the room that sounds like a great idea!

Malicious Metal3 votes

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vantriliquist voice across the room that sounds like a great idea!

Well you certainly deserve some recognition, if not from Riot then from all the Morde mains. Haven't really thanked you for your title suggestion and in the aftermath I don't know there's a reward suitable enough for this deed.

I guess a simple "Thank you" would be a start.

Veraska4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=kqtsql6J,comment-id=0003000600000000,timestamp=2015-10-20T06:45:44.102+0000)

Well you certainly deserve some recognition, if not from Riot then from all the Morde mains. Haven't really thanked you for your title suggestion and in the aftermath I don't know there's a reward suitable enough for this deed.

I guess a simple "Thank you" would be a start.

Legit tho, thank you is more then enough, thanks for making the thread man

RiotKindlejack20 votes

Thank you Malicious Metal, thank you Veraska, Ant and everyone who took part in the conversation! It was awesome to follow this and see it resolved. This is why I wanted to work at Riot. Headbangin' time!

https://youtu.be/GTDkVhexweg

Malicious Metal13 votes

http://oi43.tinypic.com/fx8hoo.jpg

Metal has prevailed! /../,

bloodmoth3 votes

wow! an Ensiferum fan works at riot!? \m/ BRB gonna go get me a horn of mead and go pillage something!

Goodnight Nunu16 votes

Wait a minute... Dio's "Metal will never die" just stresses how Morde refuses to die, he being the Metal that can't be killed nor forced into submission. The unyielding spirit of Metal!!

Jotunheimr4 votes

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Wait a minute... Dio's "Metal will never die" just stresses how Morde refuses to die, he being the Metal that can't be killed nor forced into submission. The unyielding spirit of Metal!!

AWWW YEAH METAL ALL DAY!! I thought Morde's Metal theme was kick ass, and super cool.

Decrit12 votes

For once, a topic in which i agree with you about Morde >_>

Metal really brings everyone together, truly.

Burnt Iron King10 votes

Sometimes I feel like MaliciousMetal's the only one on these boards who tries his luck at a constructive criticism and even provides solutions rather than just bitch and complain.

Kuroi869 votes

And with your post, you restore a bit of my faith in the community of these boards.

I agree, while Morde shouldn't be limited to metal, it should still be a part of his identity, it has always felt like a small pleasure of his. Like he's got a metal song playing in his head while tearing through the rift. It's like he saw the suit of armor binding him and thought to have some fun with it through the names of his abilities and some of his comments.

The Lord of Death sounds too serious for someone like Morde, sure he's fairly serious as a character, but I always felt there was this cockiness, some attitude under that serious tone, like beneath that armor he's got a smile on his face anytime he sees the enemy coming to try and take him.

Mordepool8 votes

It's not what they are changing. It's that they continue to change with no regards to the players feedback

Inphernal7 votes

"But instead of succumbing to it HE BENDS IT TO HIS WILL. His sheer determination and resolve makes him overcome the confinements of his metal shell as he harnesses its power for his own gain."

His mace is SUCH an iconic representation of this. This champ has so much potential, fits the "Masochism/Sadism" theme better than Mundo ever could.

Kelg6 votes

Mordekaiser will always be the Master of Metal to me.

Jotunheimr5 votes

@Malicious Metal

YES YES AND YES!!! Morde's Metal theme is super kick ass, especially how he is a living Iron Maiden that turns his curse onto others.

A lot of people dont get how his ult is part of being Metal. Well, he is essentially a spirit trapped in an Iron Maiden Armor. I really beilieve that he simply takes his own curse to his armor, MASTERED HIS METAL, and gained the ability to inflict his curse on others(has to do with the magical curse of his soul bieng bound to his METAL armor). So, even his ult IS Metal, given that the lore is that he is cursed inside the armor, he is using his METAL curse to torment others, and Iron Maiden is a metal band(hadda throw that in there) Mordekaiser has TOTAL mastery over his metal suit of armor and DOES use his metal suit against his enemies by his will. The Mace is also totally metal. Ever seen Metalocolapse? Lol so much Metal and Death. Like Morde.

Mordekaiser is and always will be the Master of Metal. Metal on, Mordekaiser!!

I freaking hope that the name change does not go thru, I swear in the name of all things Metal

EvilMerodach2 votes

I'll..uh...read more later..but my skim through..you want to make huekaiser into Old Xerath 2.0...0.5? 1.5? somewhere in there..

Avios17 votes

This is why we don't skim. read the whole thing.

EvilMerodach1 votes

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This is why we don't skim. read the whole thing.

I will. And I said I will, I was mostly asking for confirmation*. I don't have a problem with there being a new Old Xerath, I liked Old Xerath more than New Xerath anyway.

Burnt Iron King6 votes

From what I've read it's more of him bending his prison (armor) through sheer force of will and utilizing its power for his own devices. The premise of a soul trapped in an inanimate object is similar but Morde's more of conquering his own demons kinda thing.

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