We had our own share of sexy women. Why can't women have their own share of sexy men?

Johnny El Rojo·Jan 25, 2018·15 votes·2,872 views

I don't understand the bickering about making later male champs long haired and handsome. It's no secret that Riot had some sexist approach with all early female champions looking sexy, pretty and/or scantily dressed. ( , , , , , etc...) Basically, to appeal to their early demographic of young males like myself. But now that the playerbase is more diverse, why can't women enjoy their pretty and sexy guys too, with all new champions than seem to go out this way, and in some reworks? ( , , , in the upcoming VGU, if the women in question are interested in the "most interesting man in the world" vibe.)

Because I think the fight for equality it's not covering scantily dressed and sexy characters. I think it is in giving women also the chance of enjoying their eyes with sexy guys too.

https://youtu.be/U58IdBjMeS4?t=26s

49 Comments

AbiwonKenabiJan 25, 201816 votes

If you're going to pick a Champ to update for the female gaze, why pick the already established old man character with a limp and a sketchy background?

Also, eye candy for straight women isn't just Fabio levels of long hair and shirtlessness. I think more indulgent female fantasies tend to have more clothed rich gentlemen than shirtless guys. Not that THAT doesn't happen either, but it's not like male fantasy where they tend to prefer skantily clothed girls. (Making generalizations here, but I think this based in some truth).

Blood MagicksJan 25, 20188 votes

I think Riot really wanted him to be liked and popular. They will succeed as Swain is beautiful and to be honest many rulers would use their sexuality to their advantage (e.g. Julius Caesar). In his original lore he was a charmer too, but the art department didn't do him justice.

That said if Riot wanted to fanservice women that much they would tend to the more basic, quintessential female fantasies (hint hint wink wink red square).

I think more indulgent female fantasies tend to have more clothed rich gentlemen than shirtless guys.

Oh come on now.

Chromatic EagleJan 25, 20182 votes

You are legit the only person, male or female, that I've seen this focused on Vlad. Like I know Yasuo, EZ, Kayn, and even Jhin are popular with women.

Blood MagicksJan 25, 20181 votes

I was talking about the trope rather than the champion.

Chromatic EagleJan 25, 20186 votes

You mean vampires?

Johnny El RojoJan 25, 20181 votes

I think that the estereotipe of a sexy man has moved to a more androginous side, and the estereotype looks more like a skinny but muscular man, with long hair. And I think that's were the new champs and the VGU move forward.

GreenLoreJan 25, 20187 votes

What about Varus ?

LongtowelJan 25, 20186 votes

I’d say most champions in league, bar the obviously ugly ones (urgot), or the really unique ones, like Ryze, most characters, male or female, are design with a specific archetype or aesthetic in mind, and are quite charming.

Besides, almost all the men in league has huge pecs and abs.

At the end of the day, we do have a large player base, but I’d wager a good majority of players are males. Can’t blame riot for prioritising their largest consumer base.

BonnìeJan 26, 20182 votes

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I’d say most champions in league, bar the obviously ugly ones (urgot), or the really unique ones, like Ryze, most characters, male or female, are design with a specific archetype or aesthetic in mind, and are quite charming.

Besides, almost all the men in league has huge pecs and abs.

At the end of the day, we do have a large player base, but I’d wager a good majority of players are males. Can’t blame riot for prioritising their largest consumer base.

what annoys me is that riots response to "how bout an elderly woman champ" is

hOw?? HoW WiLL sHe RuN? Old lady archetypes are too boring.

like did they forget gragas zilean and old swain?

o wow father time, original. fat guy who drinks, coool.

they make excuses when it comes to adding a female human champion thats not a child or a sexy woman.

(pecs and abs =/= necessarily sexy btw.)

LongtowelJan 26, 20182 votes

That's actually a great idea.

I'm thinking of this grey haired old shaman champion, one that can utilise the old woman aesthetic and still make sense.

But I do believe that Riot has no obligation to make a champion a certain type just to fill the quota. They don't need an excuse to make all their female characters sexy. It sells, people like it, and therefore they would make it so.

At the end of the day, they wanna make money. Most of the demand is for a sexy female champion and not an old woman champion. I'd like to see them take on the challenge and make an old woman, but I'm not too fussed.

AbiwonKenabiJan 26, 20184 votes

Get Professor McGonagall in here or some other cool older lady to show 'em how it's done.

YuGiHoJan 26, 20182 votes

most men in league do not have huge pecs and its only in skins that any of them appear shirtless

4 Step CadenceJan 26, 20185 votes

cough Jhin cough

Sure, we don't know what he looks like, but the voice is good enough for me.

cerbariJan 25, 20183 votes

would swain really be less sexy if he looked like this?

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/005/320/059/large/kamil-trocinski-zbrush-dooku-03.jpg?1490185749

i mean he Looks like lucius malfoy now, i dont really think that many women find swain really attractive now.

Baron Von BanginJan 25, 20183 votes

What about champs like Aatrox Braum Gangplank LeeSin Olaf Tryndamere ?

BonnìeJan 26, 20181 votes

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What about champs like ?

nope.

General Esdeath Jan 26, 20181 votes

Aatrox nothing hotter than broken curtain wings and a head the shape of a deformed batman cowl

Darius StradaJan 25, 20183 votes

What is the point of this post exactly?

ChompyWulfJan 25, 20183 votes

It's not equality, but a double standard now. Riot has made a point with more recent new female champs to avoid fan service and diversify them, make them strong individuals without shameless trash like the old Zyra booty teaser.

But they'll go back and turn established male characters into fantasy pinup art for women.

That's some serious bullshit.

IfnethJan 25, 20183 votes

I think we should limit fanservice to certain champions and skin lines. Give Kat a cloak, deflate Sona’s boobs, put Akali in a bodysuit, and tell Janna and Nidalee to put some clothes on. We could have some beautiful—and beautifully dressed—ladies. :)

Johnny El RojoJan 25, 20181 votes

... GET OUT OF HERE!!

IfnethJan 26, 20182 votes

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... GET OUT OF HERE!!

Muahaha, never!

Put a shirt on Ashe! Give Caitlyn a jacket and trousers! Get Irelia into plate armor! Make Karma a dress! Extend Soraka’s gown!

[sg-syndra]

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But seriously, we could have beautiful female champs in equally-beautiful outfits without little or no fanservice. Give each one a different hairstyle with lots of detail, a carefully sculpted face, and a look that conveys the emotions of their character.

Two great examples of this approach are Soaring Sword Janna and Captain Miss Fortune. Look at SSJ’s face: there’s so much feeling in her expression. The viewer is meant to feel connected to the character, and I love it. Captain Miss Fortune’s picture tells her whole story to those who have read it and, again, you can look into her eyes and see how she feels about it. It’s great!

General Esdeath Jan 26, 20183 votes

RekSai

IfnethJan 26, 20181 votes

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Rek’Sai provides no fanservice yet has everything you need to know in her splash: that she is a scary desert predator who will eat your caravan if it crosses the ‘Sai.

General Esdeath Jan 27, 20181 votes

She is beautiful, do not disrespect da queen!

ampheonJan 25, 20182 votes

Janna is a wind spirit, so those may not even be clothes

General Esdeath Jan 26, 20181 votes

Nidalee grew up in a jungle...

IfnethJan 26, 20181 votes

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grew up in a jungle...

Yeah... sure... let’s go with that.

General Esdeath Jan 27, 20181 votes

But she did!

Just hover her icon on the champion icon section.

IfnethJan 27, 20181 votes

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But she did!

Just hover her icon on the champion icon section.

I know she did, but that’s not why Riot dressed and posed and voiced her like they did.

General Esdeath Jan 28, 20181 votes

Bruh she's dressed like Tarzan, except with boots because 2009 graphics would give her triangle/pizza feet.

HalcyonDwellerJan 25, 20183 votes

The reason people are upset about the swain changes has nothing to do with keeping people who are attracted to men from having characters whos visuals they can enjoy.

It's because Swain was supposed to be this scarred, old, and maybe crippled man who rose to the top despite his apparent weaknesses. Making him appear charismatic and attractive and uncrippled just goes against what was relatable about the character for so many people.

Players who happen to be crippled related to Swain before because he used a cane. Now that's gone and they feel disenfranchised.

tldr; Riot should absolutely introduce more "pretty-boys" to league's roster, but they should do it with new characters rather than with reworked old characters.

TheEvilQueen135Jan 25, 20182 votes

but braum...

420 gramsJan 25, 20182 votes

In a video game the demand for sexy female characters is MUCH higher than demand for sexy male ones

BonnìeJan 26, 20182 votes

they to a degree (imo) desexualized Rakan with his goofy ass run animation.

gimme sexi male wolf vastayan. thanks.

WindOfVengeanceJan 26, 20182 votes

If women nowadays find these feminized ~~%%%s~~ "gentlemen" more attractive than a masculine, rugged looking guy then we honestly fucked up hard somewhere throughout our evolution bruh

JackMcSnipeyzJan 26, 20183 votes

Did you just post a bieber hate meme in 2018? Lol

WindOfVengeanceJan 26, 20182 votes

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Did you just post a bieber hate meme in 2018? Lol

the meme may have died out but the hate is still there tho

OxyrottenJan 28, 20182 votes

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why can't women enjoy their pretty and sexy guys too?

They can, I am right here.

cerbariJan 25, 20181 votes

I mean not if he looked like dooku, but if he had the haircut (maybe the beard)

BultzJan 25, 20181 votes

Yasuo what do you even mean

RainXBladeJan 26, 20181 votes

Well, he IS homeless for one.

vodrio12Jan 26, 20181 votes

Pagafantas

Evil YasuoJan 26, 20181 votes

Don't be a soyboy. Riot literally makes champions for everyone.

General Esdeath Jan 26, 20181 votes

Eh male fantasies are more physical, while female fantasies are more emotional.

A 14 year old guy wants a DD wife who will sleep with him all day. At 22 I'd still take it [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

A 14 year old girl wants a guy who is kind, handsome, adventurous, and has some kind of flaw for them to "fix". Older women tend to go more for the money because success looks good.

Going into a primitive psychological reasoning;

Guys like big breasts/butts/hips because it shows fertility and as an organism, our instinct is to reproduce.

Women would like someone who can do well in that society/terrain, (So for cavemen it would be big muscles and hunting, while in modern times it's money) because their instinct is to find someone to keep them safe while they carry the baby for the 7-8 months of taking it easy, and then help them for the next 20 years of raising the child.

TL;DR shirtless chizzled men aren't as attractive to women as a shirtless busty women are to men.

NekoniClawsJan 26, 20181 votes

He doesn't look diseased now. I guess if that's how we define attractive?

[sg-lulu]

I mean. Girls are into long hair. Girls are into short hair. And man, Lee Sin has no hair and he is a HUNK. ~~Heck I'm even more than a little into Thresh...~~

Swain was redesigned to appear more powerful- as a formidable and eloquent leader. Just so happens- that's also attractive. Hair be damned.

But yes- equal equality. I'm just not atall convinced sexual attractiveness had much weight in the design.

DecritJan 26, 20181 votes

Braum Ezreal Graves Jayce Kayn Rakan Taric Taric Taric Varus

These are all champions ( with taric being counted 3 times because he deserved ) that somehow had ingrained into them the idea to be "charming". Remember that there are lots of other champions that have naked torso with big pecs, full beard and massive crotch or have some other traits that i could interprete as "charming", but i did not count them simply because the character itself did not pose to be "charming". After all, everyone has its own taste, and i might be biased since i am a hetero male.

Love me some RekSai tho

EDIT: also, see traditional trundle splash art. nuff said.