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@Riot art team, art update problem

Gapybo··10 votes·3,525 views

So I can see you are working really hard with updating the overall splash quality lately and bringing is to the similar style/quality standards. This will definitely result in more visually coherent game and loading screens BUT as much as I appreciate base splash updates I can't help but noticing one big problem.

 Old skin splashes. There are a LOT of skin splashes that have incredibly low quality and I do not expect you to actually update them because that would require incredible amounts of work but It kind of defeats the purpose of all this splash work you have done so far.

However on the other hand skins are supposed to offer at least similar or better experience visual wise to someone who purchased it.

 Imagine a loading screen where everyone has this great art but then there is a person with warrior princess Sivir or french maid Nidalee, Sun goddess Karma, Exiled Morgana or some legacy skins that still have the oldest possible art that is basically champion model with some touch ups. It looks like that person is playing a different game and creates this jarring disparity in visual design.

Example: http://i.imgur.com/ZD6BYIA.jpg

I am personally just wondering what your stance on this is, if you have any plans to take this problem on and how? As I mentioned I don't really expect you to due to the amount of work it would require but still...

20 Comments

EndGamer117 votes

Shyv doesnt have broken anatomy. Her hips are slightly tilted because it is mid-stride. You are just looking for some mundane excuse to gripe.

Remlap12233 votes

Where does he exactly say this? I've re-read this 3 times and I don't see anywhere that he said that Shyvana is breaking her hips. Put the smurf accounts away son.

Konidias1 votes

Where does he exactly say this? I've re-read this 3 times and I don't see anywhere that he said that Shyvana is breaking her hips. Put the smurf accounts away son.

Posts aren't sorted by time by default here... you have to click the "sort chronological" link.

RoyaiChaos1 votes

It doesn't even say Shyv in the post.... The OP is asking if Riot will eventually the old skin splashes....

GreenLore4 votes

I think they said that they are going to update the outdated base splash updates first and that then the skins will follow.

Life Of Nami3 votes

Quality in art is subjective. Many of the new splashes are not better in quality as compared to some of the old splashes. It's just a style change, and detailing like they're doing now doesn't always reflect the quality of something artistic. Let's take the Shyvana one for example. The previous one was highly detailed and very well done(On par with the new Debonair Vi splash), featuring her dragon form in the backdrop, it clearly reflects the character in game and characterizes her very well, the new one by comparison is missing her dragon form, the appearance no longer matches the character, and there's broken anatomy, the only "better quality" detail is that she has this odd skin detailing.

This essentially gives her a reptilian look while not explaining it, this is made ever more evident as her championship splash DOES feature her dragon form, has non reptilian skin detailing, and the armor appearance is closer to that of the in game model.

The problem is inconsistency. If 2 brand new splash arts for the same character come out within a few months of one another and look entirely 2 different styles and consistency of quality, what is there to ask of Riot on updating skin splash arts?

If you look at the old Shyvana splash, and the brand new Azir classic splash, they have the same consistency with detailing and quality, yet the new Shyvana classic splash looks entirely different. Should they update the new Azir splash too?

Riot has a major problem with inconsistency and it looks like they're not going to change anything about it.

Gapybo8 votes

I'm sorry but from artistic point of view Shyvana's old splash was terrible, one of the less detailed artworks. I think you are mixing the elements such as her dragon form etc. with details. When it comes to the amount of details on the champion armor, skin and overall quality it's just not comparable. Has nothing to do with style differences, one artists was just overall superior in his work execution. Anyway this isn't about Shyvana, her splash was just used as an example, you can switch it with any new art, including Azirs.

Life Of Nami4 votes

I'm sorry but from artistic point of view Shyvana's old splash was terrible, one of the less detailed artworks. I think you are mixing the elements such as her dragon form etc. with details. When it comes to the amount of details on the champion armor, skin and overall quality it's just not comparable. Has nothing to do with style differences, one artists was just overall superior in his work execution. Anyway this isn't about Shyvana, her splash was just used as an example, you can switch it with any new art, including Azirs.

uh... lol ok no.

Her old splash compared to her new one... new one has broken anatomy, doesn't look like the actual character, missing her dragon form, ect. Old splash IS DETAILED, is reflective of the actual character, DOESN'T have broken anatomy, SHOWS her dragon form.

No her old splash was far better reflective of Shyvana, and an accurate representation of her, and doesn't have broken anatomy, unlike the new splash, which is broken in many ways.

Also since you wanna bring up the Azir compare. Both the old Shyvana(And Vayne) and Azir splashes are called Environmental Portraits, where as the new Shyvana, and most of the new splash art updates are Action portraits, most of then looking like a high quality freeze frame from a movie reel.

Gapybo3 votes

New one doesn't have a broken anatomy considering she isn't human that argument is moot, again you are missing the elements with actual detail i'm talking about. The new art features her dragon form too it's just not a literal dragon standing next to her. Which doesn't make much sense since she is the dragon anyway. The new art represents her the way Riot envisioned her and will probably be used as the inspiration when she gets a VU or at TU. I didn't bring up Azir, you did so please as I said before this Isn't about Shyvana and this conversation is off topic.

Life Of Nami2 votes

New one doesn't have a broken anatomy considering she isn't human that argument is moot,

WHAT..

lol wow

Ok so dislocated hips is totally normal... And she isn't a dragon, SHE'S A HALF DRAGON, AND SHE CAN ONLY MAINTAIN HER DRAGONFORM IN TEMPORARY FASHION. Kay will its apparent you have no idea what you're talking about then, nor do you give a fuck. You literally made me facepalm so hard. I'm out

Garentheon1 votes

Wow. Just wow. Don't know what you are drinking but I want none of it

cshakes1 votes

Sure, the new splash has more details. However, the new splash also features impossible anatomy, and doesn't really match the "feel" of the character. Previous art gave Shyvana a slightly mysterious feel, while the new art just makes her look like a generic action hero. The new art also looks ugly in style, and doesn't match any of the other new updates, either. It looks like something from a completely different game.

So yes, her old splash is better. And that's why I've modded it to stay.

Vellich0r1 votes

What is this impossible anatomy you are referring to?

cshakes1 votes

Her waist and arms are friggin' tiny. Her hips are a bit off, but that's possibly just due to her waist being ridiculously tiny. She also has a weird thigh gap, which really does not happen to anyone in that pose unless they are severely malnourished.

Sure, we've seen worse, but it's still bad.

Vellich0r1 votes

its a mid stride pose, you are right about the arms and such being overly tiny, but the off center hips are because she is mid stride, as is the thigh gap though thigh gaps are inherently stupid. Personally my issue is her head piece in the new splash, It is rather off putting don't you think?

Conncept3 votes

I believe they do intend to update all splashes, even old and retired ones, just as they intend to texture update, model update, or redesign every champion. The main default skin splashes are just coming first because they are generally what players see the most.

Krigjer3 votes

I don't understand why it matters. The game isn't about the art. I want better ingame models because that's what you spend a majority of your gameplay staring at.

I don't even look at the loading screen anymore.

ArtoriusIV1 votes

I actually really like the new full splash's, what gets me is them cutting their faces straight out of the image for their profiles, a lot of them look ugly to me, especially ahri and Janna's, even though I love both of their full splashes

JustBoneBrook1 votes

Oh ok i was like Man how you can say they do a bad job but yah i agreed my Deser trop garen look stupid now :D

bitdullblade1 votes

I really hope they eventually get to updating the skin splash art too. When you have a skin and the "quality" isn't up to date it kind of makes me not want to use the skin. For example I was mystery gifted a skin and got the "Stinger Akali" skin. I don't usually use akali and when I do use her I get her in aram. Well the point is that I would rather use the base skin because the splash is so much cooler. This might seem silly but the stinger akali skin itself isn't much of a change so maybe that is why it is a little bit more justifiable. This is not to say that I don't use the skin, instead I just alternate between. I feel like it would be nice to update the skin splash arts because I mean people did pay for these skins (excluding the victorious skins and ones you got codes for- which they still equally deserve "quality" splash).

I have seen people say that the old splashes are still good, which this is true. But I think they should keep updating the splashes just to stay consistent, and just like someone else has done- if you really don't like it perhaps you can mod the old ones in?

Art will always be a difficult discussion because we all have different tastes and find different things aesthetically pleasing. I don't like all of the updates but I do like most. The updates I might not like I still appreciate what Riot is trying to do.

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