Veigar VU: What's Important?

Rude Name·8/30/2018, 6:37:30 AM·52 votes·24,003 views

If the Ezreal VU goes smoothly, Veigar is likely next (for a VU, not a VGU). So I'd like to list what I personally find most important to his character.

  • #His voice lines. Often, VGUs scrap / heavily modify signature voice lines. One important outlier is the Nunu Bot VGU, which kept all the voice lines, and this is why I personally believe this is the best skin in the game now. Remember these? "You will remember Yorick Mori" Yorick "It takes a lot of effort to move like this in heels" Evelynn "So many noobs. Will matchmaking ever find true balance?" Akali

  • #His height He's ashamed to be a yordle, and craves to be tall. Tall people get respect, and are taken seriously, or so he believes.

  • #His waddle This walk manages to say so much about Veigar. It's meant to be some menacing stride of evil and doom, but he's too short for it to work In an attempt to look as evil as possible, he appears goofy and pathetic.

  • #His motive To be evil. It's vague, it's and he's not even sure how evil he has to be, but he believes it's the only way to be taken seriously. It reflects some traumatic past where pain is all he remembers, harbouring a sad scared yordle trying to control his life the only way he knows how. His lust for power stems from his need to be seen, despite his height. Ironic.

  • #His nemesis Teemo The Swift Scout vs The Tiny Master of Evil It seems every region has their great rivalry. Kassadin vs Malzahar MissFortune vs Gangplank Ashe vs Sejuani vs Lissandra Caitlyn Vi vs Jinx Swain Darius vs JarvanIV Garen Azir Nasus vs Xerath Renekton And I believe these belong here too: Teemo vs Veigar

  • #His laugh(s) Especially the one when he ults someone. It's pretty signature.

TL;DR Just look at the headings Thanks for reading, please suggest anything else that makes Veigar, Veigar.

78 Comments

QmegaSquadVeigar8/30/2018, 8:22:51 AM13 votes

But Veigar doesn't hate Teemo at all, in fact he doesn't hold grudge agaisnt anyone (maybe except Noxians although that's not really clear in the lore). Also his lust for power is caused by his curiosity behind the universe and to bring peace to the whole world (with force though) after he escaped from a Noxian prison. His motives are good, the way he wants to achieve his goal not so much. He doesn't hate anyone. He's a good person that just got twisted by isolation.

RiotBioluminescence8/31/2018, 8:04:58 PM12 votes

Just commenting to say I'm really enjoying reading this, and especially interested in what folks feel Veigar's personality is.

La Bello8/31/2018, 8:49:41 PM9 votes

YOU FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING!

please for the love of god keep his cute fluffy black ear's that was made canon with the OMEGA squad skin release. Viegar being actually really reminiscent of a Black Cat which is synonymous with magic,bad luck or evil is pretty important to the character.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/ebcb9fa91710c3ba783933953824ec05/tumblr_ottgyeRTQr1u47w89o1_500.png

MatijaVojnic8/30/2018, 7:49:18 AM9 votes

upvoted but veigar doesnt need VU. Mordekaiser is higher priority now

Oleandervine8/30/2018, 1:26:01 PM8 votes

While I agree with the Yorick and Evelynn lines, that Akali line is meh. It's too goofy, and didn't really have a place in her new VO or her fantasy.

Regarding Veigar, pretty much the only lines they need to keep are: "STOP LAUGHING! I AM EVIL! -This will fit perfect as a response to laugh emote. "WAS THAT A SHORT JOKE?!" - This would work as a response to a joke.

Chembaron Yamada8/30/2018, 10:31:23 AM7 votes

Who said that Veigar is going to be next after Ezreal? I think there are more urgent candidates for a VU than him, tbh.

Sinful Sorcerer8/31/2018, 5:06:15 AM7 votes

I'd like for them to keep his design mostly similar, but update it and tweak a few things. Veigar's model is very old, from back in 2009 when League was still in beta and Riot was a small indie company (no kappa). A lot has changed since then, and given the love he so rightfully deserves, Veigar could look amazing ingame. I understand Riot can't please everybody but I do think making a thread like this is a good step towards better communication between Riot's VU team(s) and the players. It is only natural that everyone has a different vision, but trying to find common denominators amongst the people who play and love these champions should give Riot some sort of idea for what they should give priority when redesigning their beloved characters.

The most important aspects to keep to me are his iconic look, personality and goal as a yordle in the world of Runeterra.

Veigar's story and personality

His traumatic past twisted him into something sinister and sadistic, the kind of 'villain' the world could use. Veigar's goal is of course to forcefully unify the world and become supreme-ruler of the world. He simply wishes for peace, but he is willing to go to extreme measures to attain it. He covers his true self both metaphorically and physically, doing everything that he can to convince people that he is evil incarnate. No one besides Veigar knows his true intentions, but to me he has always been an anti-hero. His ways may be evil, but his goal is pure.

Veigar on the Rift

Veigar has an extreme height-complex, it is unclear if he is short even for a yordle but I think that is irrelevant because it is not to yordles he is comparing himself. To Veigar, the small stature of his species is a big problem. Let's be frank, yordles are terrifying creatures, but their outward appearance does not reflect this at all. They're tiny, fluffy and generally considered "cute", and as such I'd imagine the people of Runeterra would look down on them, in both senses of the word. As an evil overlord Veigar demands respect but is never taken seriously. His majestically squeaky voice isn't helping things either. Even for a yordle people might think he looks weak and pitiful, trying too hard to be something he's not and instead coming off as the exact opposite. Veigar dons his iconic pointy blue wizard-hat that serves a double purpose. Not only does it make him appear taller than he is (although the top is too heavy to carry its own weight and instead flops backwards.) but it also covers his face in a shroud of mystery with those glowing yellow eyes peering out. Veigar always had a sense of mystery to him, and this has always been a big part of his appeal to me. Veigar is entirely covered from head to toe, leaving much to the imagination. His robes and metal gauntlets have a certain appeal, but aren't completely necessary to me, the most important part is his aura of mystery surrounding him and his attempts to hide his yordle-like appearance from the world.

Voice lines and interactions

As much as I love Veigar's current voicelines and find them all iconic, there's no denying that today's champions ship with at least 10 times the voicelines, and hearing the same quotes over and over may annoy some players, and adding more lines could help flesh out Veigar as a character further. Interactions with some of the other inhabitants of Runeterra would be great too, to further bridge the gaps between the characters and make the world come to life a bit more. I'd especially like to hear more about his time as a wandering apprentice, his future plans for world domination and his relation to Lulu. Veigar and Lulu have many things in common, both being outcasts of Bandle City and having spent much of their lives in solitude, both being talented magicians and both being more or less insane. Lulu was suggested to be a friend of Veigar years ago, but we have not heard anything since then about their bond and it is a story worth delving deeper into.

Final thoughts

I think Riot did an amazing job with Veigar's new splash art. Most players may not have noticed it, but Veigar did actually get a minor overhaul in this splash art. His robe was redesigned and looks far less like a clunky tutu and more like a black-mage robe, and I believe that simply trying to replicate this design in-game would yield the best result. It has the appeal of the original design that we've grown to know and love, but with more flow and thought behind it. Making a new model following the splash-art as a guide-line and updating Veigar's proportions to match those of the new/reworked yordles could turn out fantastic. If possible, making his eyes appear to be burning like in the splash would be amazing too, but it's just a nice touch and not necessary in my opinion. Something I would love to see brought back are the runes on Veigar's staff. Ever since his texture update that removed the runes, his staff has appeared far less like a magical sceptre and more like a toy halberd with a crystal on top. Veigar is, despite what the ignorant people of Runeterra might expect, one of the greatest wizards in all the lands after all, and his staff should reflect his power over the Black Magics.

Thanks for reading, and lets hope our Tiny Master of Evil will become even more Superb in the near future! Veigar

Metallikaiser8/30/2018, 2:13:37 PM6 votes

Talks about regional rivalries but the stupid girl trio gets mentioned instead of Jayce vs Viktor . Im of the sad.

Oh, and it would be cool if they Made Veigar's voice get deeper the more AP he has, and start him sounding a good bit squeakier then he is right now.

Ebonmaw Dragon8/30/2018, 1:18:01 PM6 votes

I want interactions between him, Kled, Lulu, Teemo, Tristana, Mordekaiser, Swain, Jarvan and Ryze:

Kled is a Noxian yordle... and in the old lore, Noxians turned him into what he is now. Lulu is the friend of Veigar, as far as we know. And Teemo an enemy. Tristana has a special interaction with him. Mordekaiser, because they are both evil dudes who want to rule the world. Swain and Jarvan because they are important leaders, and Veigar wants to rule the world, Swain is specially important due what Noxus did and Jarvan because Demacia hates magic... i guess that we could include Xerath, Azir and the 3 sisters. Ryze because he has magic runes that could help Veigar with his eeeeeeeeevilll plans.

And as for his waddle, i would like the "Heimer" treatment... AKA 2 walk animations, the old and a new one.

Hexs Fortune8/31/2018, 9:40:35 PM5 votes

Veigar is an anti-villain that may temporarily change alignment for his own purposes, but will always do the evil thing in the end.

He also has a bit of comedy in his inevitable failure to succeed, a big ego and a tiny frame

He's basically Plankton from Spongebob https://respuestas.tips/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/plankton.jpg Veigar's rival should be a great evil that refuses to notice him

EROTIC RAID BOSS8/31/2018, 10:13:32 PM3 votes

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If the Ezreal VU goes smoothly, Veigar is likely next (for a VU, not a VGU). So I'd like to list what I personally find most important to his character.

  • #His voice lines. Often, VGUs scrap / heavily modify signature voice lines. One important outlier is the Nunu Bot VGU, which kept all the voice lines, and this is why I personally believe this is the best skin in the game now. Remember these? "You will remember Yorick Mori" Yorick "It takes a lot of effort to move like this in heels" Evelynn "So many noobs. Will matchmaking ever find true balance?" Akali

  • #His height He's ashamed to be a yordle, and craves to be tall. Tall people get respect, and are taken seriously, or so he believes.

  • #His waddle This walk manages to say so much about Veigar. It's meant to be some menacing stride of evil and doom, but he's too short for it to work In an attempt to look as evil as possible, he appears goofy and pathetic.

  • #His motive To be evil. It's vague, it's and he's not even sure how evil he has to be, but he believes it's the only way to be taken seriously. It reflects some traumatic past where pain is all he remembers, harbouring a sad scared yordle trying to control his life the only way he knows how. His lust for power stems from his need to be seen, despite his height. Ironic.

  • #His nemesis Teemo The Swift Scout vs The Tiny Master of Evil It seems every region has their great rivalry. Kassadin vs Malzahar MissFortune vs Gangplank Ashe vs Sejuani vs Lissandra Caitlyn Vi vs Jinx Swain Darius vs JarvanIV Garen Azir Nasus vs Xerath Renekton And I believe these belong here too: Teemo vs Veigar

  • #His laugh(s) Especially the one when he ults someone. It's pretty signature.

TL;DR Just look at the headings Thanks for reading, please suggest anything else that makes Veigar, Veigar.

Tbh I don't think he's likely to get a visual update any time soon, but I'd most want him to stay kinda silly and comical, and I'd wanna see his ears like in his omega skin. I think he just looks so much more like a yordle and has so much more character in that skin than in his basic look or any other skin

Deathfall9/1/2018, 3:48:09 AM2 votes

I like his hat, personality, and kit.

What I want is a stronger connection with Lulu.

Fertsa8/30/2018, 5:17:45 PM2 votes

thinking back on it, I always thought veigar looked really "stiff" in most of his animations

but I mean, he's wearing a robe with metal rims and big clunky gloves, both of which are too big for him, of course, he would be Stiff

i'm not sure what i want more now, fluid animations or corny bad wardrobe planning

SanKakU8/30/2018, 10:54:36 PM2 votes

Yeah, he has the best voice lines in the game, would be a shame if they replaced them.

FSP P1 SolusGod8/31/2018, 6:44:19 AM2 votes

NO, RITO NO! PLEASE LEAVE MY VEIGAR ALONE. IF YOU LOVE HIM YOU WONT TRY TO CHANGE HIM!!! [zombie-nunu-tears]