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Veigar VU: What's Important?

Rude Name··52 votes·24,003 views

If the Ezreal VU goes smoothly, Veigar is likely next (for a VU, not a VGU). So I'd like to list what I personally find most important to his character.

  • #His voice lines. Often, VGUs scrap / heavily modify signature voice lines. One important outlier is the Nunu Bot VGU, which kept all the voice lines, and this is why I personally believe this is the best skin in the game now. Remember these? "You will remember Yorick Mori" Yorick "It takes a lot of effort to move like this in heels" Evelynn "So many noobs. Will matchmaking ever find true balance?" Akali

  • #His height He's ashamed to be a yordle, and craves to be tall. Tall people get respect, and are taken seriously, or so he believes.

  • #His waddle This walk manages to say so much about Veigar. It's meant to be some menacing stride of evil and doom, but he's too short for it to work In an attempt to look as evil as possible, he appears goofy and pathetic.

  • #His motive To be evil. It's vague, it's and he's not even sure how evil he has to be, but he believes it's the only way to be taken seriously. It reflects some traumatic past where pain is all he remembers, harbouring a sad scared yordle trying to control his life the only way he knows how. His lust for power stems from his need to be seen, despite his height. Ironic.

  • #His nemesis Teemo The Swift Scout vs The Tiny Master of Evil It seems every region has their great rivalry. Kassadin vs Malzahar MissFortune vs Gangplank Ashe vs Sejuani vs Lissandra Caitlyn Vi vs Jinx Swain Darius vs JarvanIV Garen Azir Nasus vs Xerath Renekton And I believe these belong here too: Teemo vs Veigar

  • #His laugh(s) Especially the one when he ults someone. It's pretty signature.

TL;DR Just look at the headings Thanks for reading, please suggest anything else that makes Veigar, Veigar.

78 Comments

QmegaSquadVeigar13 votes

But Veigar doesn't hate Teemo at all, in fact he doesn't hold grudge agaisnt anyone (maybe except Noxians although that's not really clear in the lore). Also his lust for power is caused by his curiosity behind the universe and to bring peace to the whole world (with force though) after he escaped from a Noxian prison. His motives are good, the way he wants to achieve his goal not so much. He doesn't hate anyone. He's a good person that just got twisted by isolation.

Rude Name3 votes

That's what I was trying to say, maybe it wasn't very clear. Thanks for putting it clearly. Veigar isn't evil, despite insisting he is. He's just confused, and it's a tragic story.

RiotBioluminescence12 votes

Just commenting to say I'm really enjoying reading this, and especially interested in what folks feel Veigar's personality is.

ModThe Djinn9 votes

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Just commenting to say I'm really enjoying reading this, and especially interested in what folks feel Veigar's personality is.

I've always felt he's not really as evil as he thinks he is -- he's just into the IDEA of evil exactly like Ziggs is into the idea of bombs. If anything, Veigar feels like someone not really used to human morality trying to play the part of the evil mastermind without fully understanding what it really means to BE evil and without the malice, hatred, or sheer sociopathy that normally accompanies it.

To me, that also seems really appropriate for a Yordle.

DeathBurst2 votes

I totally agree with all of that. :)

Haløs3 votes

Can't upvote this thread enough! Ton of good ideas and thoughts on Veigar.

One thing I'd like to see fleshed out is his ability names and his connection to them. We've got abilities like Event Horizon and Dark Matter which are obviously Science and power related but his connection to those things is... unexplained. I guess that's more of a lore issue than a VU issue but just something that's always made me curious.

I love Veigars voicelines so much, they add so much depth to his character. I'd be sad to see any of them go, but I would love to see a bunch of more interactions and absurd jokes about power and his height complex. Definitely agree that Lulu needs an interaction with him as well as Tahm Kench. Also Fizz, just because in game he's a hard counter, would love to see some taunts between those two.

Make this a good one Riot ❤

P.S. Some Skin ideas the community has had: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/8J3xE https://www.artstation.com/artwork/XRaDn https://www.artstation.com/artwork/ga4ZQ https://www.artstation.com/artwork/mRJQv (now a rioter?) https://www.artstation.com/artwork/QAYGL

Edit: messed up links, fixed.

Draclen2 votes

The minion one looks really nice, but I'm pretty sure it would actually mess some people up because of how much he looks like a regular one in it.

Haløs2 votes

I can see it now...you walk into lane as the "last minion". The enemy Yasuo doesn't realize there's and extra caster for some odd reason. And then BAM 1000AP one combo. GGEZ.

On a more serious note, you're probably right, but I still wanted to add it in just because it's super cool. If nothing else I want Hextech Veigar. It goes so well with his theme of power and evilness. Plus it was created by a now Rioter...I mean...this is too EZ. I will pay all the money for this skin, seriously.

A Superb Villain3 votes

Well, if you're interested in what people have to say, they've said quite a lot before.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/o5gIkAlQ-riot-you-want-to-talk-about-evil-lets-talk-about-evil http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/EirhcI9w-embracing-the-darkness-in-our-souls http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4588014

Pardon me as I ponder on the implications of waiting for more than four years to witness Veigar's update.

RiotBioluminescence4 votes

When I think of Veigar and the boards, I do think of you, A Superb Villain. I think I even (a while ago, just out of curiosity) went to see if I could find some of your old Veigar threads, but I don't think my google-fu was good enough to get back as far as the old forums. Thanks for the links.

A Superb Villain4 votes

Always a pleasure, Bioluminescence! I will gladly take an opportunity to remind the world that Veigar, wonderful as he is presently, could be so much more. Though he is simple in design, mechanically and visually, that should not exclude him from the candidacy of an update. Others are in greater need of modernization, and that I understand without grievance, but one can't quite set aside their bias, and I am no exception.

Xenos von Faneli3 votes

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Always a pleasure, Bioluminescence! I will gladly take an opportunity to remind the world that Veigar, wonderful as he is presently, could be so much more. Though he is simple in design, mechanically and visually, that should not exclude him from the candidacy of an update. Others are in greater need of modernization, and that I understand without grievance, but one can't quite set aside their bias, and I am no exception.

May I just comment how eloquently stated this is, and might I say you did a truly superb job.

A Superb Villain2 votes

I endeavor to present myself in the most articulate and respectable manner possible, and your acknowledgment of my efforts is a most welcome thing to read. Thank you.

Terozu2 votes

I believe we in general need more Yordles around the map.

Also off topic but, is it possible that Amumu is the child of a human and a Yordle? I feel like that would explain the confusion in lore as to his race as well as serve as a good explanation for why his family was cursed.

MatijaVojnic9 votes

upvoted but veigar doesnt need VU. Mordekaiser is higher priority now

Poop Johnson41 votes

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upvoted but veigar doesnt need VU. Mordekaiser is higher priority now

Mord needs more then just a VU

Smokin Penguin2 votes

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Mord needs more then just a VU

Too bad it's going to happen after Kanye becomes president :(

Velzard of Koz3 votes

Since Lisa Simpson is next, that's around 4 years time?

La Bello9 votes

YOU FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING!

please for the love of god keep his cute fluffy black ear's that was made canon with the OMEGA squad skin release. Viegar being actually really reminiscent of a Black Cat which is synonymous with magic,bad luck or evil is pretty important to the character.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/ebcb9fa91710c3ba783933953824ec05/tumblr_ottgyeRTQr1u47w89o1_500.png

Oleandervine8 votes

While I agree with the Yorick and Evelynn lines, that Akali line is meh. It's too goofy, and didn't really have a place in her new VO or her fantasy.

Regarding Veigar, pretty much the only lines they need to keep are: "STOP LAUGHING! I AM EVIL! -This will fit perfect as a response to laugh emote. "WAS THAT A SHORT JOKE?!" - This would work as a response to a joke.

Rude Name2 votes

Yeah, the Akali one did have to go, but it was still iconic.

Also, I'd add "WHAT"S BLACK AND BLUE, AND ABOUT TO SHOW YOU THE DEFINITION OF PAIN?" to that list.

Chembaron Yamada7 votes

Who said that Veigar is going to be next after Ezreal? I think there are more urgent candidates for a VU than him, tbh.

Rude Name3 votes

Well, no one, but I reckon he hits a good balance between popularity and urgency. I'd rate Blitzcrank, Jax, Amumu and Rumble similarly.

Sinful Sorcerer7 votes

I'd like for them to keep his design mostly similar, but update it and tweak a few things. Veigar's model is very old, from back in 2009 when League was still in beta and Riot was a small indie company (no kappa). A lot has changed since then, and given the love he so rightfully deserves, Veigar could look amazing ingame. I understand Riot can't please everybody but I do think making a thread like this is a good step towards better communication between Riot's VU team(s) and the players. It is only natural that everyone has a different vision, but trying to find common denominators amongst the people who play and love these champions should give Riot some sort of idea for what they should give priority when redesigning their beloved characters.

The most important aspects to keep to me are his iconic look, personality and goal as a yordle in the world of Runeterra.

Veigar's story and personality

His traumatic past twisted him into something sinister and sadistic, the kind of 'villain' the world could use. Veigar's goal is of course to forcefully unify the world and become supreme-ruler of the world. He simply wishes for peace, but he is willing to go to extreme measures to attain it. He covers his true self both metaphorically and physically, doing everything that he can to convince people that he is evil incarnate. No one besides Veigar knows his true intentions, but to me he has always been an anti-hero. His ways may be evil, but his goal is pure.

Veigar on the Rift

Veigar has an extreme height-complex, it is unclear if he is short even for a yordle but I think that is irrelevant because it is not to yordles he is comparing himself. To Veigar, the small stature of his species is a big problem. Let's be frank, yordles are terrifying creatures, but their outward appearance does not reflect this at all. They're tiny, fluffy and generally considered "cute", and as such I'd imagine the people of Runeterra would look down on them, in both senses of the word. As an evil overlord Veigar demands respect but is never taken seriously. His majestically squeaky voice isn't helping things either. Even for a yordle people might think he looks weak and pitiful, trying too hard to be something he's not and instead coming off as the exact opposite. Veigar dons his iconic pointy blue wizard-hat that serves a double purpose. Not only does it make him appear taller than he is (although the top is too heavy to carry its own weight and instead flops backwards.) but it also covers his face in a shroud of mystery with those glowing yellow eyes peering out. Veigar always had a sense of mystery to him, and this has always been a big part of his appeal to me. Veigar is entirely covered from head to toe, leaving much to the imagination. His robes and metal gauntlets have a certain appeal, but aren't completely necessary to me, the most important part is his aura of mystery surrounding him and his attempts to hide his yordle-like appearance from the world.

Voice lines and interactions

As much as I love Veigar's current voicelines and find them all iconic, there's no denying that today's champions ship with at least 10 times the voicelines, and hearing the same quotes over and over may annoy some players, and adding more lines could help flesh out Veigar as a character further. Interactions with some of the other inhabitants of Runeterra would be great too, to further bridge the gaps between the characters and make the world come to life a bit more. I'd especially like to hear more about his time as a wandering apprentice, his future plans for world domination and his relation to Lulu. Veigar and Lulu have many things in common, both being outcasts of Bandle City and having spent much of their lives in solitude, both being talented magicians and both being more or less insane. Lulu was suggested to be a friend of Veigar years ago, but we have not heard anything since then about their bond and it is a story worth delving deeper into.

Final thoughts

I think Riot did an amazing job with Veigar's new splash art. Most players may not have noticed it, but Veigar did actually get a minor overhaul in this splash art. His robe was redesigned and looks far less like a clunky tutu and more like a black-mage robe, and I believe that simply trying to replicate this design in-game would yield the best result. It has the appeal of the original design that we've grown to know and love, but with more flow and thought behind it. Making a new model following the splash-art as a guide-line and updating Veigar's proportions to match those of the new/reworked yordles could turn out fantastic. If possible, making his eyes appear to be burning like in the splash would be amazing too, but it's just a nice touch and not necessary in my opinion. Something I would love to see brought back are the runes on Veigar's staff. Ever since his texture update that removed the runes, his staff has appeared far less like a magical sceptre and more like a toy halberd with a crystal on top. Veigar is, despite what the ignorant people of Runeterra might expect, one of the greatest wizards in all the lands after all, and his staff should reflect his power over the Black Magics.

Thanks for reading, and lets hope our Tiny Master of Evil will become even more Superb in the near future! Veigar

Ebonmaw Dragon6 votes

I want interactions between him, Kled, Lulu, Teemo, Tristana, Mordekaiser, Swain, Jarvan and Ryze:

Kled is a Noxian yordle... and in the old lore, Noxians turned him into what he is now. Lulu is the friend of Veigar, as far as we know. And Teemo an enemy. Tristana has a special interaction with him. Mordekaiser, because they are both evil dudes who want to rule the world. Swain and Jarvan because they are important leaders, and Veigar wants to rule the world, Swain is specially important due what Noxus did and Jarvan because Demacia hates magic... i guess that we could include Xerath, Azir and the 3 sisters. Ryze because he has magic runes that could help Veigar with his eeeeeeeeevilll plans.

And as for his waddle, i would like the "Heimer" treatment... AKA 2 walk animations, the old and a new one.

Terozu3 votes

Lulu and Veigar sitting in a tree~

No joke though, the reason they're listed as friends is because basically everyone everywhere shipped them.

Metallikaiser6 votes

Talks about regional rivalries but the stupid girl trio gets mentioned instead of Jayce vs Viktor . Im of the sad.

Oh, and it would be cool if they Made Veigar's voice get deeper the more AP he has, and start him sounding a good bit squeakier then he is right now.

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

Viktor and Jayce are iconic, but so are Cait, Vi, and Jinx.

Maybe the trio just is more in the mind of people because Jinx is an extremely popular champion.

Metallikaiser2 votes

Yeah, yeah I dont actually mind, I roleplay as Caitlyn usually afterall, I just meant it more as a joke. (Totally not as a sad Viktor main.)

RyzeTheSmurfMage2 votes

Well Jinx is basically a crazy ugly girl that likes to blow stuff up and many emos relate to her (yes I said it fight me)

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

Well, Jinx is more relatable than Papa Smurf with a Messy syndrome for runes. Ryze ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

RyzeTheSmurfMage2 votes

You want to play that way? Jinx is a lunatic escaped from the crazy people hospital and has a bazooka fetish.

Terozu2 votes

Actually, shes not a lunatic, she's crazy and has a pyromaniac and destruction fetish.

As for her craziness, she was experimented on by Singed after he made her watch him perform horrible experiments on her father.

Dolasaur5 votes

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Talks about regional rivalries but the stupid girl trio gets mentioned instead of Jayce vs Viktor . Im of the sad.

Oh, and it would be cool if they Made Veigar's voice get deeper the more AP he has, and start him sounding a good bit squeakier then he is right now.

Deeper voice would make him sound more evil. Part of his allure to me is his inability to get others to find him intimidating.

Also, because they already did this with Zac, it would run a high risk of seeming tacked on.

They could make him start using more power-crazed VO lines as he gains AP, but deeper doesn't seem like the best fit, imho.

Metallikaiser2 votes

I see your point, though I will say that a deeper voice superimposed onto a not so intimidating individual can still absolutely be comical. And I think it would be an amusing interaction with how he actually gets substantially more powerful with game length.

Rude Name3 votes

That's genius! As he gets more AP, he starts using new voice lines which are more lunatic and absurd.

HeimerLmao2 votes

As he gets ap he gets taller, but the growth caps at some point, so he is never high enough.

RyzeTheSmurfMage3 votes

3 hour game: voice starts to sound like Sauron's

Terozu2 votes

Jinx and Vi are far better known lorewise than Jayce and Viktor will ever be.

SangreDeNoche2 votes

{quoted} Oh, and it would be cool if they Made Veigar's voice get deeper the more AP he has, and start him sounding a good bit squeakier then he is right now.

I love that idea, it's like the master yi dance scaling with move speed. It's not necessary but it just feels right.

Hexs Fortune5 votes

Veigar is an anti-villain that may temporarily change alignment for his own purposes, but will always do the evil thing in the end.

He also has a bit of comedy in his inevitable failure to succeed, a big ego and a tiny frame

He's basically Plankton from Spongebob https://respuestas.tips/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/plankton.jpg Veigar's rival should be a great evil that refuses to notice him

EROTIC RAID BOSS3 votes

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If the Ezreal VU goes smoothly, Veigar is likely next (for a VU, not a VGU). So I'd like to list what I personally find most important to his character.

  • #His voice lines. Often, VGUs scrap / heavily modify signature voice lines. One important outlier is the Nunu Bot VGU, which kept all the voice lines, and this is why I personally believe this is the best skin in the game now. Remember these? "You will remember Yorick Mori" Yorick "It takes a lot of effort to move like this in heels" Evelynn "So many noobs. Will matchmaking ever find true balance?" Akali

  • #His height He's ashamed to be a yordle, and craves to be tall. Tall people get respect, and are taken seriously, or so he believes.

  • #His waddle This walk manages to say so much about Veigar. It's meant to be some menacing stride of evil and doom, but he's too short for it to work In an attempt to look as evil as possible, he appears goofy and pathetic.

  • #His motive To be evil. It's vague, it's and he's not even sure how evil he has to be, but he believes it's the only way to be taken seriously. It reflects some traumatic past where pain is all he remembers, harbouring a sad scared yordle trying to control his life the only way he knows how. His lust for power stems from his need to be seen, despite his height. Ironic.

  • #His nemesis Teemo The Swift Scout vs The Tiny Master of Evil It seems every region has their great rivalry. Kassadin vs Malzahar MissFortune vs Gangplank Ashe vs Sejuani vs Lissandra Caitlyn Vi vs Jinx Swain Darius vs JarvanIV Garen Azir Nasus vs Xerath Renekton And I believe these belong here too: Teemo vs Veigar

  • #His laugh(s) Especially the one when he ults someone. It's pretty signature.

TL;DR Just look at the headings Thanks for reading, please suggest anything else that makes Veigar, Veigar.

Tbh I don't think he's likely to get a visual update any time soon, but I'd most want him to stay kinda silly and comical, and I'd wanna see his ears like in his omega skin. I think he just looks so much more like a yordle and has so much more character in that skin than in his basic look or any other skin

Fertsa2 votes

thinking back on it, I always thought veigar looked really "stiff" in most of his animations

but I mean, he's wearing a robe with metal rims and big clunky gloves, both of which are too big for him, of course, he would be Stiff

i'm not sure what i want more now, fluid animations or corny bad wardrobe planning

SanKakU2 votes

Yeah, he has the best voice lines in the game, would be a shame if they replaced them.

FSP P1 SolusGod2 votes

NO, RITO NO! PLEASE LEAVE MY VEIGAR ALONE. IF YOU LOVE HIM YOU WONT TRY TO CHANGE HIM!!! [zombie-nunu-tears]

Necroside2 votes

If they cared about him, they would change him and fix him.

FSP P1 SolusGod2 votes

fix him? Like they fixed galio? or varus's lore? SMH, veigs is golden as is, we dont want rito ruining him because "Change for the sake of change" [zombie-brand-facepalm] [zombie-brand-clap]

Necroside2 votes

No it's not, sorry if you're a newbie but get real.

Deathfall2 votes

I like his hat, personality, and kit.

What I want is a stronger connection with Lulu.

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