@Rioters: Please show us the contract that forbids you from telling us what to expect in lore

darkdill··12 votes·1,167 views

If there's no such contract or nothing in it that forbids you, we insist that you reveal more future lore details. Otherwise, show us the section that says "talk about future lore, you're fired".

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Jeddy0176 votes

I assume they want to keep a element of surprise.I mean why watch a tv show if you know everything that's gonna happen?For a tv show,you just wait a week to see what happens next.

Thing is:For old champ & plotlines,people are more worried about surprised changes rather than updates. Let's say there is a champ name Bob.Before,Bob was an investigative report who wanted to provide the latest scoop on the happenings of Runeterra.With his trusty magic camera,he traveled all over,from the vast desert of Shurima to the icy peaks of Freljord,from the cruel streets of Noxus to the glorious towers of Demacia,& so on.The last "episode" had Bob on a boat from Bilgewater to the Shadow Isles. After months of silence,the lore team announced they changed bob into some pervert who like taking a picture of girls.

For old thing people had grown attached to,surprise reveals are more scary than exciting.I mean forget Bob,this happened to an actually champ Trundle

Also,I see a common theme throughout Riot:Don't reveal or talk about things too early because people maybe disappointed or upset when shit happens that postpones it.I think Ao Shin is an example of this.They don't want to build up hype then fail to deliver because Steve forgot to save the data. So,we either get silence or disappointment.Pick your poison.

So,Surprise reveals & they don't want to disappoint people,that's all I got so far.Oh,plus they're going through some structural change of their team right now,I think.Now this should be the case if the lore team isn't full of dickheads who say,"Fuck the fans.They don't need lore." or anything like that.Hopefully,the lore team is full of passionate creators who wants to create good stories for our LOL characters & world;who care about the fans & their opinions/input.

EDIT:While it understandable that there are somethings that should be hush hush.I don't think It's acceptable for the lore team not to talk to players at all.Isn't Riot a company that promotes communications between Rioters & players?The lore members shouldn't quiet for months,regardless of the amount of content released.

Solideus2 votes

To be fair, it'd make sense if they waited for a bit more content to come out and have conversations about that. The tone of some people in the lore-centric discussions is really foul, so going in without any ammo makes little sense.

Also, if they are hard at work getting stuff done they would be less active on the forums; as many other developers have mentioned, any meaningful two-way conversations burns *a lot *of time, time often better spent being productive. Dropping in for a casual comment, on the other hand, just makes people pissed, it seems.

That being said, they likely do keep track of what discussions and opinions are floating around in here, so there's no reason to stop having meaningful discussions. Writing a bunch of angry threads to the reds is much less than constructive, though so don't do that people.

Sneak Dog3 votes

That being said, they likely do keep track of what discussions and opinions are floating around in here

My issue here is that this is just speculation. As far as I know, we might as well be talking to a brick wall. Brick walls don't care whether you have meaningful discussions or are just venting your anger at it.

The retcon has been going on for at least over a year. Do you really think they tracked every single constructive post made related to lore in this timespan while not responding? I'm sceptic.

I think they're just discussing what to do internally and go write their stories instead based on that instead of trying to find feedback on the forums that're mostly arguing straight against the basis of the stories they're working on. Why else would they not bother to make a Q&A after their infamous dev blog?

The need for change only became apparent over time, and the choice was made only after a great deal of deliberation.

Why wasn't any of this deliberation made clear to the public until the choice was already made? Why do we only hear some of their arguments why they did it, at least one of which is just plain false or misrepresented, after it's all set in stone?

I don't think they care about our opinion. They want our ideas to gain inspiration. But all the constructive anti-retcon threads have probably just gone dismissed with the notion that we'll be happy once the new lore starts up properly. What I expect is going to happen is that I'll be gone or my negative posts get downvoted into oblivion and there'll be new fans.

These new fans will probably also think a retcon won't happen to their beloved new lore or they won't even care if everything they know and care about gets removed in a single announcement.

Tsunday5 votes

we insist

Brah speak for yourself. I like surprises.

Motajo6 votes

{quoted}Brah speak for yourself. I like surprises.

A surprise retcon would probably change your mind

Tsunday2 votes

Look I'm pretty sexist when it comes to characters in media. You can't really create a woman who I like for her backstory and her personality. Every Janna skin is just gorgeous, the concept behind Orianna is lovely (although the actual story sucks imo), Leona's model is great-- but like all of their stories suck and as female characters they end up being good late game fantasies (aka that across screen Cait ult snipe) and eyecandy in game (Reaper Raka).

I main botlane pretty much all the characters I play are female except Thresh and Braum. I'm already not attached to any of their backstories.

So again- hit me with them, I like surprises.

Narasimha4 votes

You do know that there was nothing 'surprise' about it right? I think the Frejorld event was the closest we had to a bomb being dropped on us. Other than that, it had been coming since Zyra's release. Yeah, since 2/3 years ago.

junglerboy163 votes

Basically since they stopped writing League judgments and the JoJ it was obvious that a retcon was coming. I just started playing at the end of S3/beginning of PreS4, and looking at the lore I was immediately like, "they are gonna retcon all of this, that last judgment style lore was years ago."

TerraRising4 votes

{quoted}

...we insist that you reveal more future lore details.

That's funny. Unless you're suffering from multiple personality disorder or schizophrenia, you must be trying to incorporate every critic of Narrative into this little "I want spoilers" tantrum. Really funny.

KING OF MASKS3 votes

It would be one thing if there was some kind of established canon or working universe at hand. If that was the case, then I wouldn't expect any kind of spoilers or pre-release discussion or anything like that.

But in terms of lore League of Legends is a vacuum right now. We have a bunch of disparate pieces like the city-states and character backgrounds, but there's absolutely nothing tying them together or (perhaps more importantly) tying them to the game itself. It's been this way for months. Because of this I would expect some kind of public discussion (and yes, even spoilers) from rito.... or at least, I would, had my faith in the Narrative team not been eroded to nothing.

TerraRising3 votes

However, to take the question seriously (as it were).

There are clauses in most entertainment employee contracts called "Non-Disclosure Agreements," or "NDAs." Basically, you agree to not leak information that may be important to a company or you will be terminated from your employment.

It's burned Rioters in the past (Riot Nasus got burned for leaking some internal playtesting changes to a "friend" over Skype).

GreenLore2 votes

Overall they can't simply spoil certain plot lines. It is appearant that they do have further plans for certain plot points(for example they teased us about braum appearantly never aging and only throw slight hints at kalistas backstory),but if they spoil them now,then there is no point in releasing them later.

Retcons are a different problem,however I'd say that most retcons are kinda forseeable. For example it was clear that nasus&Renektons backstory would be changed,due to the "other-world-stuff". The same goes for all the other "other-world"-champs(except for the void-champs as the void is an established place),they will all receive retcons,so be prepared for that.

Then there are the champs tied directly to the league,they too will receive retcons,so again its no surprise if they come.

And lastly there are champs who are too distanced from anything and while they are not necessarily going to get a retcon,they are more likely to get one.

Nybx4life2 votes

I don't want future lore details, to be honest. I want a discussion with the Narrative team on how things are going forward. Some basic stuff: Will the retcon actually tie things back to the game? Will existing champions have further character development instead of simplified stories? I don't need spoilers on the lore, but I do want them to be more able to communicate with the community here. A cool animation here and there is nice, but a strong discussion between developers and fanbase would be better.

Chromatic Eagle2 votes

It's writing 101 to not reveal everything you want to do. Riot could be an exception, but I don't think they're going to send out rough drafts to players.

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