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Thresh and Kalista's similarities -- The Souls

GenoXx··3 votes·5,835 views

http://assets1.ignimgs.com/thumbs/userUploaded/2014/11/21/20823568_leagueoflegends_thepledgekalista_ign-1416597749121.jpg

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Thresh_0.jpg

If you haven't noticed yet, Kalista is like my favorite character in terms of lore... What I wanted to discuss is the trend with some of the specter race on the Shadow Isles. Pretty much being like Kalista and Thresh, hecarim is a specter but I don't think he's looking to build up in souls.

Everyone should know that thresh's lantern hordes souls. Maybe this was something important in his past life. http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vkPsSmU1sEM/hqdefault.jpg

As with Kalista, when she took the guy's soul in her video(well both his and the invoker) it went to the spears protruding in her back. The spears are important to her because that is what killed her. Especially the one that stands out, The Black Spear. https://38.media.tumblr.com/5e375f54c2c9d4dc1f08dda7ad3cec37/tumblr_nfct12ld6g1sdk5d7o1_500.gif

So that makes me think that other specters that are interested in becoming more powerful. All have a certain item that they kept in death that horde souls. On the flip side, Kalista is definitely enjoying the power she get from it just like thresh is. Well maybe not enjoying, but the souls she collects are stuck in those spears. And I would think until she get revenge, they can't go anywhere. Kalista means just, but she is still just as twisted as thresh. Kalista "Oh a betrayer? Where? Give me your soul and we shall get revenge.....so I can have his soul too! Then you will help me get revenge."
One of Kalista's quotes when your soul bound gets a kill "Yeesss, Punish the betrayers." So both Thresh and Kalista just horde Helpless souls in their important(undead?) items.

So I am going to say that the specter race are one of the many you dont want to meet from the Shadow Isles. They're humans who have been twisted. In thresh's case he was already twisted. Hecarim seems to have been a centaur in life, some I can't be so sure what his thing is. Karthus is a specter as well, but rather than hording, he tries to persuade. This is the similarity I wanted to talk about.

19 Comments

Fasmodey1 votes

There is no a proof that says Hecarim was a centaur before his dead. Could be human too.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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There is no a proof that says Hecarim was a centaur before his dead. Could be human too.

Or even... A YORDLE?!

Fasmodey1 votes

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Or even... A YORDLE?!

there is a change for buttlerfy too.

Tesla Effect1 votes

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There is no a proof that says Hecarim was a centaur before his dead. Could be human too.

Devs. said it in Hecarims Q&A.

Fasmodey1 votes

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Devs. said it in Hecarims Q&A.

It still doesn't proof anything because he is not sure about his race.

GenoXx1 votes

dude, hwat do hecarim look like. A human or a centaur(presuming u know what a centaur is)

Valaran Nara1 votes

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dude, hwat do hecarim look like. A human or a centaur(presuming u know what a centaur is)

There is also the possiblity that Hecarim was a knight who rode with the cavalry. In otherwords, he rides horses and he is just a man whose spectral form has fused with his mount.

Also, I think Kalista is too deadlocked on getting vengeance on betrayers and oathbreakers to honestly enjoy having the souls.

GenoXx1 votes

well, the shadow isles lore also said that it was teeming with life. This means that it had other beings other than humans. I mean maokai is a prime example.

But I tthink she's probably enjoying having the betrayers bounded to her. This is twisted side of Kalista i wanted to bring out.

GreenLore1 votes

Well Hecarim is able to summon spectral centaurs during his ult,which could mean that he actually has some other souls in his body. And well Karthus also seems to summon souls for his E and W.

However I think that the way thresh and kalista use souls is still quite different. Thresh stores the souls in his lantern which seems to empower him. Kalista however merges with souls over and over,causing her original personality to fade away,she is basically turning into an avatar of vengance herself.

So while the use of souls seems to be common among the SI inhabitants I'd say that there are many different and possibly unrelated ways to use them.

GenoXx1 votes

Well, they also said that with each soul kalista gets, she likely gets more powerful also. The uses are different yes. But She subconsciously hunger for souls, being that she is an inhabitant of the shadow isles. I was stating that even though Kalista means good, she still shows that she is just as bad as the rest of them

GreenLore1 votes

I wouldn't say she is as bad as the others,she's definetly not good,but she isn't THAT bad. I mean thresh kills you,traps your soul and then torments you for fun. And his story makes him sound like a serial killer out of a movie that stalks you for a while(just to mess with you) before he kills you.

And Hecarim doesn't seem to care about the living at all,jumping into the battle,slaughtering all his enemies in his path and he seems to be in love with war just for the sake of war.

Mordekaiser,Karthus,Elise(ok elise is probably a different kind of SI being,she might not even be entirely undead) are all also pretty bad.

Kalista on the other hand takes your soul only if you offer it to her(watched the video again,it looks like she only took the soul of the invoker,she merely impaled the betrayer with her spears that flew back to her afterwards,she didn't take his soul). I also doubt that she does this for personal gain and that its more about the invoker being supposed to give kalista more strenght to punish the betrayer.This is kinda reflected in her gameplay,she is the AD-carry and supposed to kill lots of people,but one of her teammates has to give her his/her strenght for her to be able to do this;). In the end I'd say Kalista is pretty much neutral.She is like a weapon that those who get betrayed can use.

GenoXx1 votes

she did take his soul, it was at the end. But they did a good job of portraying ur lorei n game play

GreenLore1 votes

Uhm no thats not Kalista taking his soul,that are her spears that she used to kill the betrayer.(I mean she throws exactly 3 spears at him and then 3 ghostly orbs come flying to her and reform the spears in her back,while the spears that killed the betrayer are gone)

GenoXx1 votes

oh! thats what that was. well when she took the invoker's his soul went to the spears....thats what i thought that was

GreenLore1 votes

I actually didn't notice that the soul of the invoker literally became one of her spears,but I am still sure that those are merely her spears returning to her(because the invokers soul created only one spear,so i doubt the betrayer had 3 souls)

Drackolus1 votes

It sorta seems to me like Kalista isn't trying to be powerful for the sake of power. She just is a spirit of vengeance, and she's taking the souls as a part of it.

Stars Shaper1 votes

I'll start with saying that you don't want to meet ANY of the SI inhabitants xD

Anyway, as you can see the Black Mist itself hunts for souls and the focus on them is one of the major peculiarity of the Shadow Isles Lore. We know really few things of what these lands were before the Mist but we cana ssume that whet kept Kalista and Thresh "alive" and their connection with souls is a really strong emotion: Thresh enjoyed to torture people for his whole life and his violent end helped too in his return as a torturing ghost, the same way Kalista lust for vengeance was the driving factor.

We don't know anything about Hecarim pre-Mist but I like more the idea that he was a horseman rather than a centaur and that this is displayed in his current form (some1 wrote a story about Heca death which implied him being cut from the belly and below and his horse being decapitated).

Right now they do not seem in a power rush, except Mordekaiser who (if old Lore still counts) is looking for something be either more knowledge or an "artifact" of some sort.

Tesla Effect1 votes

Maybe Centaurs lived on the Shadow Isles before its destruction and Hecarim was part of the Royal Guard.

GenoXx2 votes

Yeah, that's where i'm leaning on. It was said that the Isles was teeming with life.

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