Some personal comments on Quinn's lore

KoKoboto··7 votes·1,039 views

In the previous lore there was a real reason as to why Valor and Quinn developed such a strong bond, being that Quinn nursed Valor back to health and in turn she also overcame her depression over losing Caleb. Now it just seems Valor comes outta no where to help Quinn for whatever reason and than decides to stick with her? Maybe this is just a thing for Azurite Eagles, they just go around and help Demacians and that's why their like a symbol for Demacia kinda. Maybe it's like a "emotional reference to Caleb" or something with how she "saw in it's eyes a deep well of kinship". I think the meet up was poorly done in my opinion.

I already dislike Sona in game and don't care about her much in lore, I dislike her even more now after reading about the Buvelles being kinda the reason why Caleb died. Also it feels like the only reason they were introduced into the story was so that "Wow Quinn is good but nah she isn't like legit"-Demacia Guy, "Wow no she saved my life in the past and I remember her wow so let her in wow"-Buvelle girl. Just seems like pointless fluff, I'm reading Quinn's lore not this other mumbo jumbo, if anything this bit only tells us that the Buvelles have influence over what goes down in Demacia, which shouldn't really be a part of Quinn's biography . It's nice information but why in her biography, if you wanted to hint at Buvelle so much at least put it in her short story.

I remember when Quinn and Valor was ACTUALLY Quinn and Valor, if Rito really wanted to try and bring that duo partnership back they could've at least went into more description about Valor this time around.

I wonder if the Day of Lost Night will be a lore event, sounds great if it is and also sounds like it connects a bit to the Garen and Lux story "For Demacia" cause 'Day of Lost Night' is dark and relates. That'd be neat.

Moving onto her short story, really loved the art they made, looks great even though it's simple compared to the splasharts they have, all the sketches look amazing.

At first I thought "eh this is kinda lame with the steps" but after reading I enjoyed it. I guess I just had a bit of prejudice on different writing styles.

Riot did a great job at aligning the current character in game to the character we have now. I can totally imagine Quinn doing this,"the decision made, she pushed herself to her feet and strode into the campsite as if her being there was the most natural thing in the world. She stood at the edge of the firelight, her hood raised and her oiled stormcloak drawn tightly around her". All while making sure the necessary precautions we're made and that she wasn't being reckless at all.

Learned that an oiled stormcloak is a cloak that is kinda water proof, back in the day they waxed stuff so it made it water proof, liked the detail they put in here also with setting and how she would have to get the bugs up outta her clothes.

Writer did an amazing job at describing the whole action scene, I felt the badassery when Quinn took the cloak off and fired the first shot like DAMN! It was like one of those badass things where the person goes in and everyones dead and than freezes at the end.

I found it difficult to visualize Valor fighting though, I don't wanna blame it on the author and I can't really critique because I have never read or watched anything of a bird fighting. I just don't understand how it would work and it really sucks that I have troubles visualizing the teamwork going on.

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Placentas7 votes

Yeah I actually prefer what happened in the old lore where she finds Valor and nurses him back to health.

Ya, Valor coming in to rescue Quinn is heroic and adds drama, but it definitely feels random as all hell. Like idk, maybe if it were hinted at there was an Azurite eagle nest near by on a cliff or tree with little chicks in it who watched the first battle with the boar-thing.

So then later it recognizes Quinn and the situation and that's why it helps her out.

Like with the old lore it kind of implied Valor was a reincarnation of Caleb or something similar to that.

I also feel like it kind of undermines Quinns skill alone which would be a good thing if Quinn's in game play was more involved with Valor. Ya, we have the Q where we actively see Valor strike. The W is cool, but it's not like we see Valor in action. And R, he's just a taxi now...

GreenLore2 votes

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Ya, Valor coming in to rescue Quinn is heroic and adds drama, but it definitely feels random as all hell. Like idk, maybe if it were hinted at there was an Azurite eagle nest near by on a cliff or tree with little chicks in it who watched the first battle with the boar-thing.

Well in the same way you can argue that Quinn finding an injured valor on her brothers grave is kinda random too. I mean how did he get hurt?I really doubt that he fell or something,so it was likely from an attack,but there was no corpse,so the attacker was still alive,but why would he leave the hurt valor there?

Placentas2 votes

Finding an injured animal is more plausible than an animal who you've never had a previous encounter with joining you in a battle at the last second saving your ass.

Have you ever seen a little show called "Damn Nature, You Scary"? Lots of crazy shit can happen in the wild.

You assume that there being no corpse means the attacker is alive, but that is not so. How do you know Valor and maybe another bird of prey were having a battle miles away? Valor kills the other bird but is left with horrible injuries. He manages to fly a mile or two before collapsing due to exhaustion and his injuries. There he lays until a mysterious female human happens upon him and takes pity on him.

Maybe Valor decided to venture far from his territory one day, or was even in his usual territory. When an unexpected storm, natural or possibly magical caused by such & such happens and the winds are to strong and Valor becomes injured.

There are quite a few possibilities really. And it's not even that Valor deciding to fight with Quinn in itself is random, but the fact that Valor & Quinn didn't have any previous encounter with Quinn and therefore had no reason to save Quinn.

Maybe if earlier in the lore or elsewhere it mentioned that Azurite Eagles were prone to defending Demacians in need or were known for doing so, yeah that would make it seem a lot less random.

I think there just needs to be more of an explanation as to why Valor decided to help Quinn.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the lore and I main Quinn even despite disliking making Valor a taxi, but it feels the most rushed and least thought out of all the new Demcian lores. I also main Lux and adore her new lore. It's just clear which was worked on more.

GreenLore1 votes

Yeah true,I admit,I wrote that post in a hurry and didn't think too much about it when I wrote it.

Felvyne4 votes

If I'm not mistaken, Quinn nurses Valor after he's damaged fighting de boar? A broken wing too.

KoKoboto1 votes

The main reason why I bother mentioning it is due to the sheer amount of randomness. Quinn does nurse Valor back to health but why the hell is Valor even helping Quinn in the first place and why does Valor decide to stay with Quinn??

Felvyne1 votes

Well, he decides to stay because Quinn healed him. Why Valor decided to help in the first place? Idk. Destiny? A nest near? Valor was hungry? Valor is a Vayne main secretly? No reason at all even maybe.

Mogarl3 votes

I agree for the most part, overall I think it was really well written however Valor kind of came out of left field. The part with the Buvelles made some degree of sense with Demacia being much more structured. Quinn would need an in. Valor really does need some explaining though.

Sexy Jack Rabbit2 votes

I felt like alongside Vayne's new lore, they tried to make Quinn's lore FAR too focused on being "Edgy" and "Cool" instead of trying to make her character more fufilled.

Quinn really doesn't strike me as someone to be non-chalant about things, especially with her story adding in those "Rules" for no apparent reason.

KoKoboto2 votes

I think Quinn has always had a little bit of chill in her from her journal lore bit and her in game voice lines. It's important to note that she is chilling when she is able too, she scouted out the entire area before her ambush making sure it was safe. Her safety was also guaranteed because she had Valor over them, if you doubt your already above average human you shouldn't have any doubt in an animal. She wanted those Noxians to know that Demacia is a tough cookie, and also took out for the potentially most dangerous person first.

I don't think that edgy and cool is what they tried to do, Quinn is already cool imo lol. I do agree that her character is still pretty lacking and at bare minimal here. The rules were just a literary style I think, just a way to tell the story and show a bit of what goes through her mind I guess. I didn't like some of the rules though.

Valor Bot1 votes

Valor's entrance does leave some unexplained questions I think, though there are plausible reasons for why he may have helped Quinn regardless of whether the bio explicitly states them or not.

My (admittedly wild) guess is that the tuskvore snatched up some of Valor's eggs / killed his family not long before Quinn reencountered it at the site of Caleb's death, so when he spotted the beast rampaging against Quinn he decided to help her and subsequently stick with her, seeing as he had nowhere left to go. I think the most likely reason is that Demacian eagles are just naturally honorable though, and will attempt to help those in need, so he flew in to save Quinn.

P.S. I think the story makes it quite clear how Valor fights, and it makes sense to me. He's not a small bird -- he's able to force people off their feet just by pushing down on their shoulders with his talons, and can rip off their faces with a single sweep of his claws. He's obviously very powerful and relies on being airborne/moving quickly to avoid retaliation.

Placentas1 votes

I wish they had shown that though. Like if the bio actually changed perspective from Quinn's to Valor's.

Valor Bot1 votes

I agree, it would have been cool.

KoKoboto1 votes

I think I'd have to actually see some visuals in order to understand Valor. I just can't picture it cause the only birds I've ever seen that are tough are Geese and Seagulls. Got bit by a Goose when I was young, no teeth but I had boo boos on my finger for a good minute or so.

It's like explaining math to someone, some people can understand it verbally while others need to see it visually written out. I can't imagine a bird fighting based off words alone,

LunSeiSleidee1 votes

Yeah, Riot should pretty much fire whoever wrote the new lores. Garen's and Lux's are ok, but the other ones are messy and dumb and far worse than the previous lores.

Dr Forrester1 votes

Valor is not a character we find pinned, wiggling on the wall. His appearance is very much like that familiar passage ~

_"The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." _

A quote I believe segues quite keenly into the enigmatic "well of kinship" reference. We're uncomfortable with the notion that Valor may be something altogether more than the Azurite Eagle. That is because the nature of Valor and his relationship to Quinn is now open-ended, tensive, indirect, and finally agnostic. Valor both is and he is not Caleb resurrected. The truth is too complex, rich, and varied to be captured in any one model. That's good lore.

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