Say what you will about God of War, but even though I'm not a PS3 owner, Kratos kicks some serious ass.
I honestly think Pantheon could stand to take a couple of tips from the Ghost of Sparta, but should he? Or should Pantheon's eventual VGU try to do something completely different?
Valaran Nara4 votesCompletely different because one of his main identifiers is the helmet.
That, and I would be put off if he's too close to looking like Kratos.
Ralanr4 votesI don't think he should. I've personally always seen Pantheon as a soldier among warriors. Someone who isn't brimming with rage on the battlefield, but extreme martial and military discipline.
He's not going to scream unless it's tactical to do so (fearing or surprising his opponent). He's not some berserker who fights with untamed ferocity, we have at least two of those already.
I feel his VGU should take a look at expanding his arsenal of weapons in game. Yes his spear is iconic, but he's supposed to be a master of multiple weapons and showcasing this mastery could better represent his "mastery of war".
So taking inspiration from Kratos's ability to use many different weapons equally (or taking inspiration from Bellona in Smite, whose kit involves having abilities that summon weapons and then having those weapons effect her basic attacks until she uses another ability).
Like, at the very least give him a short sword that he can draw when not using his spear. It goes with this idea that Pantheon's Q (after becoming a skill shot) impales itself into an enemy champion and gives them the grounded condition. During this time or until he retrieves it, Pantheon draws a short sword that changes his Q and E.
Warlord Dienekes2 votesOf all the Pantheon ideas I've seen thrown about. This is the only one I actually like.
Ralanr2 votesThanks. I used to main Pantheon so rework ideas always popped around now and then. The most common element is to make him resourceless because his late game is pure shit when he finally doesn't have to worry about mana.
This is of course after changing his Q. Can't have a point and click harass ability on a resourceless champion.
Warlord Dienekes2 votesI've always felt that Pantheon's mana problems are kind of the point of balance on him. Yes he basically has a ranged auto-attack every 4 seconds, but if he keeps chucking it whenever he wants he'll be out of mana before he hits 3. I do worry a bit about getting rid of mana on him completely, since in general Riot uses mana as a point of balance, where manaless champions tend to be like Garen, where all of there abilities feel kind of dull, balanced around the fact that there is literally no cost to them.
But on a style perspective, I'd be perfectly fine removing all magic and mana from Panth and focus entirely on the whole part about him being a soldier. Not that Riot is ever going to do that, of course. But I like what you have, if he uses Q he throws his spear as a skill shot and has to use his xiphos. This could lead to a few stat changes. The spear auto-attack could be slower, stronger, but with great reach so it actually feels like a spear, maybe around 200 range. While the xiphos only has 90% AD scaling attacks much quicker and knocks his reach down to 125.
Now for a dive fighter, having his main form of poke, his Q, also make his target grounded sounds neat but may be a bit much.
Way I see it, I do think his general gameplay pattern should remain similar, a form of good poke, and the ability to get right in the middle of a group of enemies and chunk a good portion of health. But then I'm kind of stuck. On the one hand, there usually isn't much for the Pantheon to do after expanding their combo but auto-attack and hope your passives kick in and wait for your Q to go down. This would hopefully get changed. But on the other, I think it is very thematic that Pantheon doesn't have any escapes. It gives him a weakness to exploit and plays on the whole SpartansRakkor do not retreat shtick.
Ralanr2 votesI just felt that giving him something like grounded would help make him a more strategic pick. A better counter to champions like Riven.
Warlord Dienekes2 votesI think you have something. I'm just not convinced on putting it on the main harass.
What if it's instead on his non-spear E? You could then differtiate between spear and sword combat. The E with spear works as an area burst damaging multiple enemies while the sword E would damage and ground a single target.
Ralanr2 votesHmm, it could work. But on the Q it makes it harder for enemies to run and easier for you to dive them.
Actually that might be unhealthy. Hmm...I still have yet to figure out what I the sword E active effect would be (keeping the crit passive) and I also personally want to change his spear active E.
Neamean1 votesI was thinking of something similar the other day,
what I had in mind was that his q get move to his passive it would work similar to poppy passive every x sec you get a buff ranged auto
he would also have way to lower the cool down of said passive or when ever he auto someone with aegis of zeonia on he refreshes it's cooldown.
While his passive is down he could use a sword instead and it could have interaction with a new q.(technically he would use sword all the time and only use spear for the poke)
I would also move his current passive onto his W seem weird that they are seperated.
Unlike you however I didn't think his E would change between wielding a sword vs spear because how often he switches(only using sword), it would be hard to keep track to because it a passive and not an active ability.
MANDROP doesn't change of course.
Sharjo3 votesIf anything I hope take a bit of inspiration from Ling/Greed and have Atreus on very specific ocassions comment on what Pantheon's doing. For instance when Pantheon gets killed Atreus could say something like "I expected better of the mighty Pantheon!" with Pantheon commenting with something like "A setback. Nothing more."
Kinda like Yorick and the Mist, but a tad less antagonistic?
Tesla Effect1 votesIf anything I hope take a bit of inspiration from Ling/Greed and have Atreus on very specific ocassions comment on what Pantheon's doing. For instance when Pantheon gets killed Atreus could say something like "I expected better of the mighty Pantheon!" with Pantheon commenting with something like "A setback. Nothing more."
Kinda like Yorick and the Mist, but a tad less antagonistic?
Troy Baker voicing Pantheon...that could work....Specially for Baker Pantheon skin -u-
Ralanr2 votesIf they will be two different voices, then Steve Blum for Atreus.
Tesla Effect1 votesIf they will be two different voices, then Steve Blum for Atreus.
Ooooou, yes.
Warlord Dienekes2 votesWhile Blum is awesome and I would be totally behind him voicing my champ. Just a reminder that in his lore Atreus is like 20 or something, I don't think Blum would fit. Though I'm all for completely ignoring his new lore anyway. So bring Blum on.
Ralanr2 votesBlum has voiced kids before I think. I doubt voicing a 20 year old would be out of his capabilities.
Warlord Dienekes2 votesHas he really? I really enjoy Blum in what I've heard him, but every character I've heard him in, he has always sounded fairly grizzled and middle-aged to me. Which, fits perfectly with the Pantheon I have in my head, because that Pantheon is a mature career soldier who's lead a few wars in his time. But, Atreus is somewhere between 17 and 23, just got out of boot camp and decided to climb a mountain, and I just can't hear him play someone that age. Maybe once I've heard him play a kid I'd change my mind.
Ralanr2 votesTo be fair, time can pass in Runeterra.
Warlord Dienekes2 votesTrue, but I was under the impression that he just turned in preparation for the oncoming Sol and Leona/Diana problem. Meaning the story would have to go: Leona realized she needed to find and talk to Diana!
Then 10 years passed without much happening. Only now did Sol get here and Leona found Diana. Yeah, I know they're just on one mountain, it shouldn't have taken so long, but it did. Because reasons.
Cremepie1 votesI would love it if pantheon had a new kit.....with chain blades.
Warlord Dienekes1 votesNo. Dear god no.
