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@Riot : Organize a "community art contest" to update old/legacy/cheap splash-arts ?

Necrozard·Oct 17, 2017·151 votes·4,675 views

Riot's ressources are limited. In both time, money and efforts.

**Wonderful **artists exist in our community.

It hurt my soul to see old splash arts that Riot will not bother to update (unless extremly old or VGU)

Because they are busy doing more important things. (New skins, new game-modes, new champions, new musics, new lore, new animated videos, new emotes, new voice packs, new runes, new preseason, more balances to do, etc ... )

Why don't we use the power of our community to get some "quality of life update" !?

If you don't believe that this idea can achieve wonders, take a look at this :

https://fanart.na.leagueoflegends.com/media/user_uploads/arts/20171013/j/77713cca-4e0c-4661-9ffa-659461a5998c_1000x1000_scaled.jpg Red Baron Corki, Art By Konstant G.K

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Corki_3.jpg Corki from the official website

Our art community is great, please don't let that potential wasted ! [sg-soraka]

TL;DR :

make an art contest

get old/bad/cheap splash-arts updated

Riot continue to work with its serious stuff

Riot reward the artists with virtual content (so it costs them NOTHING)

** Artists get visibility** and public recognition for their talent

players are happy that their old/bad/cheap skins splash-arts look great now

The splash-arts do not need to be permanent, but they can work as great placeholder Just like Warwick's updated splash art before his rework

If you still think that some skin splash-art don't deserve to be updated. Take a look at this list, and look at the splash-arts. Sort them from "lower rating to higher rating "

( i hope this post gets enough visibility :v )

71 Comments

XIII VanitasOct 17, 201721 votes

I like your idea, but I don't think that Riot would ever apply it, since it could be viewed as freebooting (although with the consent of the artists).

SalsonOct 17, 201729 votes

It's not really freebooting if they say gift that skin or 10 boxes or something. They don't have to give real money, but they can just pay people with in-game currency.

Also, it's a hell of a comercial for aspiring artists.

XIII VanitasOct 17, 20177 votes

That's exactly the issue: making artists work for you without properly compensating them is a bad practice. And no, visibility and skins are not proper compensation.

NecrozardOct 17, 201716 votes

Artists know what would be the reward to enter the contest

They could also be paid in RP (something that cost Riot nothing)

"making artists work for you without properly compensating them is a bad practice."

Even if you still have a point, it never stopped artists from doing fan-arts

So why not use these efforts to contribute to the game ?

SpecterVonBarenOct 17, 201712 votes

Because its very easy for an artist to later decide they want more and sue Riot for "not compensating properly". I adore your idea and I wish to God it could be done but with the kind of age we live in where people sue over everything its not likely to happen.

SeductiveGrandpaOct 17, 20172 votes

smh if an artist can sue for feeling not compensated

why cant I sue for when my adc rq's at 20?[sg-janna]

NecrozardOct 17, 20174 votes

why cant I sue for when my adc rq's at 20?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IdHTnpgpLDc/maxresdefault.jpg

Main Support as well

CrimsonLotus3Oct 17, 20174 votes

{quoted}

Because its very easy for an artist to later decide they want more and sue Riot for "not compensating properly". I adore your idea and I wish to God it could be done but with the kind of age we live in where people sue over everything its not likely to happen.

they could add some sort of legal writing thing saying they cant be sued for whatever blah blah blah and that would remove the possibility of harm to the company

NecrozardOct 17, 20174 votes

"saying they cant be sued for whatever"

They can definitely do this

I don't think that "being sued" is an issue

Artist know what they are doing when they submits their art to Riot

KilmamOct 17, 20176 votes

Couldn't they make an agreement or some legally binding document? I mean we have to agree to one before we can even play the game, I'm sure they could come up with something.

SalsonOct 17, 20174 votes

To be honest, they do it anyway.

And no, visibility and skins are not proper compensation.

Cute, what exactly is a proper compensation?

XIII VanitasOct 17, 20174 votes

Money.

NecrozardOct 17, 20171 votes

What, lotta RP and an exclusive icon is not proper compensation :^) ?

Aww

TheBestFioraEverOct 17, 20172 votes

no, it's not.

SalsonOct 17, 20172 votes

Rito won't do it.

Other ideas?

Jet SettOct 19, 20171 votes

"Proper" is subjective and entirely up to the artist who's considering the work. If the artist sees that what they get paid with is skins/RP and they decide that's enough for them, then that's enough for them.

Beyond LegendsOct 17, 20172 votes

LoL wholy shit do you how bad that would be. I mean do you people look at the industry prices of commissions

SalsonOct 17, 20172 votes

I mean do you people look at the industry prices of commissions

Nope, why would the average person/league player do that exactly?

Some 6K RP is about 100$, seems fair as an offer for instance.

NecrozardOct 17, 20173 votes

"viewed as"

Yeah, it could potentially affect the vision that some people have of Riot games :v

I dont now the word ** "freebooting"**, so my research gave me :

"re-uploading it without the creator’s permission"
"accumulate a large following or for commercial profit"

That's the BIG key element

These skins are NOT PROFITABLE

If they are :

cheap, Riot will not make much money out of them (520 RP skins)
fundamentally bad, few people will buy them (Amumu Vancouver)
legacy, few people will be able to buy them (Red Baron Corki)

So it's better if they don't invest energy/time on things that will not give back money It would also slow down the rate of new champions/skins/vgu/etc

But players/artists can be rewarded with public recognition, virtual and exclusive contents (free for Riot to give it)

It's all about low efforts for Riot, high value for the players

XIII VanitasOct 17, 20172 votes

What's the right term? "Seen"? "Deemed"?

Anyways, the main issue with freebooting is exploiting someone else's work without properly compensating them. Making artists actually work for you without hiring them and promising only visibility in exchange is a bad practice.

DanjengOct 17, 20173 votes

OP never suggested that Riot "make" artists work for them. Artists, of their own free will, decide to submit splash arts to replace outdated splashes. They would not ask for any monetary compensation, and therefore will no receive any.

They will however receive publicity, and I think that most artists, except for the ones who do art for money, would be happy with seeing their artwork in a game as big as league. I mean, getting free skins and in-game stuff is just a bonus to top it off. Wouldn't you be proud that your art is seen by millions of other players in loading screens?

NekoniClawsOct 18, 20175 votes

Now please don't shirk me, but I'm going to talk as an artist (working)

There are many artists who enjoy league, but it wouldn't be worth the time invested into running the contest. You'd end up with the best art at the same level as the old corki splash, not better. The majority of pieces would be many multitudes worse.

The one you want to replace it with, while technically better, completely fails in clarity and communication. Does it show corki's silhouette, abilities, champion icon? Nope. And I'm not flaming because, as a piece of fanart it doesn't have to- but as a league splash art it must. It is non-negotiable- the art MUST meet these criteria. If you could combine the strengths of these two pieces you'd have a perfect league splash.

And knowing the online art community, the rarity of these combined skills, the value of these peoples' times--- I'd field a guess that we'd recieve very few pieces excelling the originals in all required fields.

(And also, major downside - TERRIBLE net publicity. 1000 salty artists flaming riot on their blogs, being reposted by all their fans countless, because their art was gorgeous, but they don't recognize it lacks what's needed to be usable, and their's "was totally the best so why didn't riot use it"?)

5000000000000000Oct 17, 20174 votes

Also note that it'll cost Riot less than it would have for paying their artists anyway. If we give 1 free skin (for the splash art done) and 10 chests/keys, that can add up to about 20 dollars (2600RP) or slightly more per splash art, depending on the cost of skin.

That's like 1 hour of work for the artists. (EDIT: In terms of cost, not that such a quality artwork can come out in 1 hour. ty to MalrothDragonia for pointing this out)

It will certainly take some time to select the winners, though. (Also, Rito pls let us buy Feeney splash arts)

MalrothDragoniaOct 17, 20174 votes

If you think that red baron corki art only took an hour, you've never digitally painted anything that complex in your life.

This idea is exploitative of artists, and feeds into the idea that great artists don't deserve real payment for their work.

"Great advertisement for their work" is BS. If it's good enough to roll out in their game, it's good enough for the artist to be paid in full for it.

This is also why I think Riot won't ever do this. They've shown in the past that they take their art seriously, and they have staff artists who they pay for this stuff. They wouldn't cheapen the work their artists get paid for as their living by offering some rando a couple chests for some serious artwork.

SpecterVonBarenOct 17, 20172 votes

The real issue is that even if Riot properly compensated the artists legit that someone could still turn around and say they weren't and then sue them.

5000000000000000Oct 17, 20172 votes

I'm not saying that the work would take 1 hour, but rather that paying for fan made splash art is about the same as 1 hour of work in terms of cost. That was my bad in phrasing, though.

And you make a good point. It'll still be cool to do a fan art project that goes into the game, but maybe not like this.

NecrozardOct 17, 20173 votes

"Also note that it'll cost Riot less than it would have for paying their artists anyway."

Exactly, it's cost efficient

And while fan-artist update old splash-arts Official artists can work on new content

PlacentasOct 17, 20173 votes

I honestly like the original red baron corki splash more. The fan art splash has the focus on the very tip of the plane and it's kinda odd.

Hambone2013Oct 17, 20174 votes

I couldn't tell what it was...

NecrozardOct 17, 20175 votes

You can not like it

But it's still much higher quality than the original

Still an excellent placeholder while waiting for an official splash-art

PlacentasOct 18, 20172 votes

But it isn't much higher quality at all. Composition and focal point is one of the most basic elements of design and they missed the mark right off the bat. Sure the style is more modern, but that doesn't make it higher quality.

Lewd NeekoOct 17, 20172 votes

This would be a nice idea, but then the art styles wouldn't be consistent. I'm pretty sure Riot has a team that is updating splash arts already anyway.

NecrozardOct 17, 20171 votes

They update splash-arts when they do VGU

Otherwise they dont really do that :v

(Except for Trundle , he was really too much ugly)

MeDicenWeraOct 18, 20172 votes

Unless there is monetary compensation this is mostly freebooting which is pretty poorly looked upon.

NecrozardOct 18, 20171 votes

Tons of RP :v ?

MeDicenWeraOct 18, 20172 votes

Hell no, lol, there are plenty artist that don't play the game but would enter and what would you say to them? Have this fictional currency? I'm not saying your idea is bad, but consistently there are situations of big companies, institutions, schools, that make these contests for their new logos, and the winner get shout outs, yay, which is just a tremendous lack of respect to artists and graphic designers alike.

NecrozardOct 18, 20171 votes

I don't the issue here is : " Riot disrespecting artists"

But more about what you said before " : "Monetary compensation"

Fan-art of the Lol community are currently made ... for free

Artists do it out of sheer passion

It's all about focusing the free and passionated "creative energy" of the community into actual and exploitable content

MeDicenWeraOct 18, 20171 votes

Except your suggesting it's done for splash arts for skins that are SOLD. Summoner showcase is already a space for fanart of which RIOT really doesn't monetize. Skins? Skins are huge money, and making good quality artwork, a huge amount of work. So of Riot making huge amounts of money for what is basically a drawing, the artists gain... recognition?

General Esdeath Oct 18, 20172 votes

Didn't they use someone's Swain fanart for his new splash?

50ShadesOfÀDCOct 18, 20172 votes

They copied community Irelia splash or it was from chinese?

StexeOct 18, 20172 votes

Legally they can't really do that without a lot of fine print. They also have whole teams dedicated to doing art. So if they really wanted to update them then they would. Nice idea though, I ran a lot of fan art contests in the past (the contests are still around, but the art isn't since the boards delete images every so often).

NecrozardOct 18, 20171 votes

Legally they can't really do that without a lot of fine print

They legally can do it, it's Riot's champions

By joining the contest, artist will abandon their right to sue Riot If they don't join the contest, Riot will not touch at these splash-arts

It's regular stuff, not even a problem

They also have whole teams dedicated to doing art

Working on ugly / bad / cheap skins is NOT a lucrative business practice It's time they are not investing on creating splash arts for nice and modern skins They only do it on very rare occasion (for VGU or extremly ugly splash-arts)

Nice idea though

Thanks a lot [slayer-jinx-catface]

StexeOct 19, 20172 votes

{quoted}

They legally can do it, it's Riot's champions

By joining the contest, artist will abandon their right to sue Riot If they don't join the contest, Riot will not touch at these splash-arts

It's regular stuff, not even a problem

Working on ugly / bad / cheap skins is NOT a lucrative business practice It's time they are not investing on creating splash arts for nice and modern skins They only do it on very rare occasion (for VGU or extremly ugly splash-arts)

Thanks a lot [slayer-jinx-catface]

"Working on ugly / bad / cheap skins" -- the splash art you're talking about is old. They just haven't gotten around to it. There are a lot of moving levers at Riot now and they want to have the quality be exceptional, readable worldwide, and fit very specific parameters. The art you have in that splash example, while it looks good, doesn't read very well, especially for splash art.

Running a contest like this would take a lot of effort and people to go through entries and organize it. Trust me, I've run them in the past and it is a full time job for a small amount of entries. With hundreds or thousands it would be insane to go through them all.

NecrozardOct 19, 20171 votes

Running a contest like this would take a lot of effort

True

But to make it easier for them, i was thinking about a voting system Voting would "sort" the different proposition of splash-arts of a specific skin

No skin would be ignored, just sorted by popularity So at the end it's easier for them to see , per skin, what people liked the most

But of course Riot would have the last word

LyrOct 18, 20172 votes

I agree with the idea itself, it's fun and interesting. However the list you linked is awful and completely drowned by glorified opinion. It's silly to rate skins in such a formal matter when at the end of the day, what you like about a skin or dislike about a skin has no direct correlation to the quality of the skin as a whole, much less what other people think.

NecrozardOct 18, 20171 votes

However the list you linked is awful and completely drowned by glorified opinion

Fair point !

But this list was the easiest way i found to show what really are splash arts of "cheap/bad/old" skins

(The skins are rated by a ration quality/price. A legendary skin from the early days of LoL will be rated horribly)

LùmenOct 18, 20171 votes

Gives off the impression of a good idea, people brainlessly mash the upvote button. Smh, this has too many flaws to work

NecrozardOct 18, 20172 votes

"Smh"

Constructive criticism, i love it

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

"this has too many flaws to work"

Actually no, many comments discussed the flaws And everything have a decent solution

LùmenOct 18, 20172 votes

The smh part was not even criticizing this thread
People discussing the flaws does not dispute my point. No one can replace the splash art team and different art styles in every single new splash is a big no

NecrozardOct 18, 20171 votes

No one can replace the splash art team

You still don't get it.

It's not about replacing the splash-art team It's about creating updated placeholder while Riot's official artists works on more lucrative things

When Riot decide to update a champion and its skins (like with a VGU) The placeholder will be replaced by official art

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