Graph Of Lore

Necrozard·Dec 25, 2017·42 votes·12,014 views

I have no memories of actually sharing my work there So here they are , actual Graphs of Lore ! (They are interactive, you can move nodes, etc)

Champions by Relation

Champions by Region

Relation by Region

(Dont forget to display the maximum amount of displayable node !) (all informations are extracted from the Universe website) [slayer-jinx-catface]

If you have any questions/suggestions, i'll be there !

last graph update : 23/12/2017

EDIT/CLARIFICATION :

The graph "Relation by Region" is confusing to a lot of personns , but that's normal Because that's a confusing graph

Exemple : Annie is connected to Shurima because Amumu IS from Shurima Annie have personnaly nothing to do with Shurima She's just Amumu's relation

Annie is related to Noxus, but her main faction is Runeterra, not Noxus So my program didnt catch that

86 Comments

RiotBioluminescenceDec 26, 201718 votes

I love these things - especially the gravity/ease/magnetic ones like you have here. Excellent (and no doubt tedious to data-entry) work!

I actually put a few of these together myself at work for my own curiosity - something I did was do a trimmed down version that only included relationships that currently have player-facing lore to support them or that were intrinsic in their nature (which removed a lot of mystery relationships and added in a couple that Universe is missing). It certainly simplified it down a lot and you started to be able to more easily see clustering appear around regions and highly influential champs (like Swain, J4, etc.) which is what you'd expect.

I'd have liked to have been able to increase the draw, strength, or magnetism force on a per-relationship basis, but the software I was using wasn't really designed for that, out of the box. It would have been good to be able to ensure connections like Xayah <-> Rakan, or Garen <-> Lux, were closer and more important seeming than, say, Miss Fortune <-> Olaf. (I did have the ability to change the line thickness and color, which helped, but didn't get it 100% there.)

One thing I imagine is that the 'shipping community would have a very different connectivity diagram though.

Same as mythhellion, I wonder why some of your nodes are yellow and some are blue - is there some significance?

NecrozardDec 26, 201711 votes

Thanks for the kind words , means a lot to me ^^

"the software I was using" Do you mind sharing the name ? I wanted to try other display solutions :v

"why some of your nodes are yellow and some are blue " It serves as landmarks , to not feel lost, Litterally only this x)

CyberBaltDec 26, 20174 votes

I'm so confused on why this is getting downvoted.

NecrozardDec 26, 20173 votes

Same.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZiq32pUUAA_6pg.jpg

rtbf225618241Dec 26, 20172 votes

Fixed it.

MordepoolDec 26, 201714 votes

your information about Mordekaiser in the Region and affilition Graph is incorrect. It says that he is affiliated with the Shadow isle and the Unaffiliated when its quite clear Mordekaiser has a Direct connection to Noxus (which after all was his Seat of power) and the Immortal Bastion.

just wanted to point that out

NecrozardDec 26, 20177 votes

Any information is extracted from the Universe website, it's canon

"Relation by Region" ? Is about the regionnal affiliation of their relations Not their direct affiliation

Exemple : Annie is connected to Shurima because Amumu IS from Shurima Annie have personnaly nothing to do with Shurima She's just Amumu's relation Annie is related to Noxus, but her main faction is Runeterra,not Noxus So my program didnt catch that

But still, thanks !

MordepoolDec 26, 20172 votes

Not sure why the downvotes. It is a marvelous graph looks like alot of work went into it. Wouldn't want such a work to be blemished by a minor detail

NecrozardDec 26, 20172 votes

I dont mind getting downvoted

but i'm very surprised that even Bioluminesence is getting downvoted !

(Went from +11 to +4) :v

I think im personnaly getting a lot of downvotes because people dont understand the graph "Relation by Region" and also that my bot searched for information in "relations" or "region" but not in "lore/stories/art"

ZyraniumDec 26, 201712 votes

LOL what is Zyra even doing in the Shadow Isles

It says Maokai and her a connected, but how, they don't even share something in their respective lores

underscores222Dec 26, 20172 votes

It's worth noting that Zyra doesn't have updated lore yet, so all we players have to go off of is her old lore, in which case she has no connection to the shadow isles or mao (aside from both being planty)

However, I just checked the Universe page and it indicated Mao is a related champ (doesn't say how). However, the region listed for her is merely "runeterra" with no specific location.

Ebonmaw DragonDec 25, 20176 votes

Wait a minute.... Riot changed the lore of Annie? Why she is connected to shurima?

mythhellionDec 25, 20173 votes

what do the blue circles mean?

AhrisDec 26, 20173 votes

Ahri isnt related to Wu Kung. The change was added to Ahri's relationship when Koreans created the love relationship between Ahri and Wu. She was never initially designed so and in her new lore she has 0 connections to Wu kung just like her old lore.

NecrozardDec 26, 20171 votes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293500383769133056/395275974499106816/image.png

Currently, Ahri is related to Wukong It's a canon relation

AhrisDec 26, 20171 votes

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293500383769133056/395275974499106816/image.png

Currently, Ahri is related to Wukong It's a canon relation

When she was released she wasnt. It became cannon after koreans started to want the relationship.

Imo it is disgusting. Seriously? A monkey? You got to be kidding. If Ahri wants to become more human WHY would she choose a monkey? I dont get this.

NecrozardDec 26, 20172 votes

" If Ahri wants to become more human "

That's actually old lore :v

" Imo it is disgusting. "

It could just be her friend, lol why do you have to sexualize it xd

AhrisDec 27, 20171 votes

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That's actually old lore :v

It could just be her friend, lol why do you have to sexualize it xd

because it is animalfying Ahri. Which she isnt.

Tzuyu Is My BiasDec 27, 20174 votes

What? They both are of Vastayan origin.

MordepoolDec 26, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Ahri isnt related to Wu Kung. The change was added to Ahri's relationship when Koreans created the love relationship between Ahri and Wu. She was never initially designed so and in her new lore she has 0 connections to Wu kung just like her old lore.

It's understandable for the Koreans to make that connection since ahri is most reminiscent of the Kitsune from the Mythological story of the Monkey King

Mandalorian 117Dec 26, 20172 votes

While he is from noxus, and served in every Noxian military campaign, I think Kled Kled is a faction of his own. Lol. Jokes aside, great work. This is interesting.

NecrozardDec 26, 20172 votes

You're actually pointing something important My bot can't see the details (like Annie's connection to Noxus)

It only cares about the "official faction" of a champion

NylisaDec 26, 20172 votes

this is a very well rounded and fairly accurate infromation however, you stated multiple times in this thread that since its from Universe its canon, thats kinda incorrect, some of the information from Universe is suspected to change and is not confirmed Canon as stated by riot themselves. (they are not canon but might be made canon without any changes)

they are filled with information from previous canon lore until they are updated , take soraka lore or few of the champions relationships. there is no confirmation that they will be canon later on as well.

for all we know , well known canon relationships such as Tryndamere and Ashe might be discarded as well. but we can state that this is currently the best known information we have regardless of changes coming to them , well except from the updated ones.

good job.

NecrozardDec 26, 20171 votes

"thats kinda incorrect" "some of the information from Universe is suspected to change"

I am well aware of this issue (PBE bios, new lore, new champions, etc) And that's exactly why i made a bot

So it can update everything in 5 minutes, no matter how big the changement is

"good job."

[sg-ahri-2] Ayy thanks !

NylisaDec 26, 20173 votes

Thinking ahead? i like that!

nicely done :D

XThe EcanemXDec 26, 20172 votes

This is pretty dope. Good job!

HalcyonDwellerDec 26, 20172 votes

Wow that was really fun to look at :D thanks for making this!

Ebonmaw DragonDec 26, 20172 votes

Now that some questions have been aswered... I would like to ask if the Bot also considers the things from Alternative Universes that are in the Universe page (Star Guardians and Proyect) or not?

I guess that it doesnt... and that is good because it would be a problem if it mix info from AU with the canon lore

RiotBioluminescenceDec 26, 20174 votes

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Now that some questions have been aswered... I would like to ask if the Bot also considers the things from Alternative Universes that are in the Universe page (Star Guardians and Proyect) or not?

I guess that it doesnt... and that is good because it would be a problem if it mix info from AU with the canon lore

I imagine what the bot is doing is crawling the Champions page, opening every champion page listed, and then searching for the contents of the Related Champ container.

So Star Guardian information wouldn't be listed there, and the information gathered hasn't been hand-edited for accuracy or old/new lore beliefs. If it's on Universe, it's supposed to be in Necrozard's graph. (I know you're not asking about that side of it, but many people seem to be taking issue with Necrozard specifically, when they are simply the messenger.)

If there are issues with the data, then it's on Riot to fix it - not Necrozard :D

[sg-ahri-2]

This is why, when I made my graph, I started hand-editing the data because so much of the official, Universe, data felt superfluous, or old, or missing. Problem is, that's a mad rabbit-hole of opinion, headcanon, old/new lore, and interpretation.

For example, in my graph, I had a relationship from Quinn --> Sona because it was a Buvelle matriarch (Lestara herself) who was saved from a frenzied beast, and who spoke on behalf of Quinn when she was entering the Demacian military. That's not listed on Universe, and indeed, it's possible that Quinn and Sona have never met - we have no updated info on Sona yet or her relationship to Lestara Buvelle, or how noteworthy a particularly headstrong scout with her Azurite Eagle might be. So me including it is headcanon. Rioters have headcanon too :)

But also on my graph, I do not include the Universe-approved connections of Sona -> Taric, Sona -> Xin Zhao, or Sona -> Ryze, because there's no updated, player-facing, information to support any of those. Makes Sona a very lonely node, but that's to be expected I suppose without her new biography.

Remember, my graph was just something I put together as a personal thing. I'm sure everyone else's would be different. Here's a screenshot (grainy, sorry): https://imgur.com/a/Xs5ck

That's just one champion (my main) in a network of all champs. Going through every possible connection and being able to decide whether it is or is not something to be included in a graph is a minefield - and I totally understand why Necrozard wouldn't put him/her-self through that. There's no winning there.

[sona-playing]

I think this is where people take personal offense to my graph? Let's do this :)

SpyroTFDec 27, 20172 votes

Ok, so being a lore/Swain junkie that I am, I just HAVE to ask a few questions about this.

This reflects Swain's new lore, right? Seeing as Urgot is listed as his enemy, which was not the case in the old lore.
I can't seem to find Vlad... he is still a part of the Black Rose, isn't he? Shouldn't he be linked at least to some of their other members?

RiotBioluminescenceDec 27, 20173 votes

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Ok, so being a lore/Swain junkie that I am, I just HAVE to ask a few questions about this.

This reflects Swain's new lore, right? Seeing as Urgot is listed as his enemy, which was not the case in the old lore.

I can't seem to find Vlad... he is still a part of the Black Rose, isn't he? Shouldn't he be linked at least to some of their other members?

So I was going off this segment of Urgot's new bio:

Even so, a single word was all it took to seal his fate. Sent to distant Zaun to eliminate a supposed conspiracy against the ruler of Noxus, Urgot realized too late the mission was a setup, removing him from the capital even as the usurper Swain seized control of it.

Which I took to be entirely reasonable evidence for Urgot having a particular hate frenzy for Swain.

As for Vlad, he, like Sona, hasn't been visited by the new-lore-fairy yet, but as none of the other new lores mention him in a way I could reference, he sits in the collection of singletons at the bottom in a box. Sona would have been there too, were it not for Quinn's new lore obliquely referencing someone who I assume will still be related to her.

I assume he's still an important member of the Black Rose too, but I have no player-facing evidence to support it yet - so I didn't add it.

SpyroTFDec 27, 20174 votes

I see, thanks! Hoping to see the chart updated when the Swain rework comes out, I've got a feeling it will reveal quite a lot.

Blood MagicksDec 27, 20172 votes

I assume he's still an important member of the Black Rose too, but I have no player-facing evidence to support it yet - so I didn't add it.

Surely Sion's promo where Swain asks for the Black Rose's help and Vlad answers the call to infuse Sion with some blood magic is a clue?

That and the short lore segment we got which says he's got a cult following among Noxian aristocracy and has been around since the dawn of Noxus (by transitivity adored by aristocracy means connected to Black Rose?).

Speaking of which, are these short lores rock solid canon? ~~Did I get overhyped for no reason?~~

RiotBioluminescenceDec 27, 20173 votes

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Surely Sion's promo where Swain asks for the Black Rose's help and Vlad answers the call to infuse Sion with some blood magic is a clue?

That and the short lore segment we got which says he's got a cult following among Noxian aristocracy and has been around since the dawn of Noxus (by transitivity adored by aristocracy means connected to Black Rose?).

Speaking of which, are these short lores rock solid canon? ~~Did I get overhyped for no reason?~~

So you assume that either the Thorn, or the Petal, is Vladimir? He wasn't mentioned by name, as far as I remember, unlike LeBlanc. I agree it's a pretty solid guess, but not actually a certain thing with the information we have.

The short lore is fine but once again, never directly mentions Sion or even the Black Rose. It's possible that an ancient and powerful hemomancer isn't connected to the Black Rose - maybe he scorns them as petty children, maybe he operates in a different part of the Noxian empire, maybe he is an absent member who goes his own way. I agree it's unlikely though.

The new short lores are canon. They are pretty safe as far as my evaluation goes.

Blood MagicksDec 27, 20173 votes

Hey, thanks for answering! It makes me so happy when a Rioter visits my dusty corner of the lore.

So you assume that either the Thorn, or the Petal, is Vladimir? He wasn't mentioned by name, as far as I remember, unlike LeBlanc. I agree it's a pretty solid guess, but not actually a certain thing with the information we have.

Thorn and Petal... honestly no idea. He could be either depending on the direction his new lore takes (or neither, uninterested in Darkwill). I was referring to the part where he personally shows up to conduct the sacrifice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Aez5cWdMms Now that I think of it it could have been Swain rather than LeBlanc who talked him into it (and that would explain why he didn't participate in the first resurrection attempt) but that still implies he's associated to Swain or LB.

The new short lores are canon. They are pretty safe as far as my evaluation goes.

That's pretty cool! Thanks for the confirmation!

PS If he's ancient enough to

scorn the Black Rose

could that imply Darkin connections? No need to answer this one, we just don't know.

RiotBioluminescenceDec 27, 20174 votes

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I was referring to the part where he personally shows up to conduct the sacrifice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Aez5cWdMms

Good point, well made - that definitely looks like Vladimir!

Baron Von BanginDec 28, 20174 votes

It 100% is. I remember asking if it was in a thread when that video came out and it was confirmed by a Rioter (for the life of me I can't remember who.)

Blood MagicksDec 28, 20173 votes

Probably not in response to you, but here's confirmation.

Baron Von BanginDec 28, 20174 votes

Oh shit. That's my alt. Ha.

Baron Von BanginDec 28, 20173 votes

Which has been apparently hacked... hmm...

King KowabungaDec 28, 20172 votes

I got it back. Yay.

patmax17Dec 27, 20172 votes

Well I guess his involvement in resurrecting Sion is still canon...?

NecrozardDec 26, 20172 votes

I imagine what the bot is doing is crawling the Champions page, opening every champion page listed, and then searching for the contents of the Related Champ container.

Can confirm, that's literally the only thing that it does ! [sg-miss-fortune]

Robert SmithDec 27, 20172 votes

So Bard and Sol have no relationship with anyone?

ExsanguinateDec 27, 20172 votes

Well made graph, but I just wanted to point out a mistake. Rengar shouldn’t be in the “unaffiliated” category, but rather related to Shurima. This is because he is from a vastayan tribe, Kiilash, which is in Shurima. Otherwise, it’s a great graph!

NecrozardDec 28, 20172 votes

https://universe-meeps.leagueoflegends.com/v1/en_us/champions/rengar/index.json https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/champion/rengar/