My thoughts on Evelynn's direction

Ralanr··9 votes·4,005 views

So I've never really played Eve all that much, I can't really say that I know her inside and out. But having played against Eve a few times, I want to share what I think should thematically stay with our mysterious S&M rogue.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cqp4Kwkuyds/Vw6QJOvIo7I/AAAAAAAA500/Tkwtl57Ek_QxEetrHOvKa8_CK05ips1rQCLcB/s1600/Evelynn_Splash_0.jpg

You see this picture? You see that smile as she's killing (draining the life out of him? Idk, Eve's offensive powers never really stood out as unique. They look like blood magic, but we already have Vlad for that. I'd argue for some shadow magic effects, but we have Zed, so it's tricky) this guy? That's the smile of someone savoring the moment, enjoying every second of pain they inflict.

That's the smile of a sadist, but it could be better.

When I'm playing Sion, Eve is actually a match up I dread because every Eve I have fought just dances around me. Anytime I set up my Q, she uses her MS boost to get out fast. She always pops my shield, and she keeps moving around me so I can't E her.

I feel like I'm being toyed with, and that's what I think Eve should do. Toy with her opponents like a sadistic game of cat and mouse before finally killing them.

I'm not entirely sure we have a sadist character in league, at least not one more focused on playing with their target as long as possible. Eve I feel fills that role perfectly. It's also why I hope she keeps the S&M attire/design in her update. She's clearly not human (and if she is, definitely not normal) and has the ability to get in wherever she desires. She's powerful and she knows it, so why not have fun with her prey?

TLDR: Evelynn's identity should connect closely with sadism if not both sadism and masochism. She should have her abilities be distinct from the effects of others, hopefully making her more of a "pain mage".

I apologize if this is set up poorly, I'm on a phone and this are just rambled thoughts.

35 Comments

Over Innsmouth4 votes

Evelynn's identity should connect closely with sadism if not both sadism and masochism.

Health costs yes.

I want playing Evelynn to feel like a BDSM ghost running around ganking people with my studded boots and choke collars.

Rebonack3 votes

Eve toying with her prey is exactly why I'm hoping Eve is going to be more of a Stealth Skirmisher than another Stealth Assassin. Popping out of stealth and exploding someone instantly is rarely fun to play against. And thematically, Eve has always been about out-smarting and out-lasting her opponent. Like you said, she dances around them. Toys with them. I recall a game shortly after the new Darius came out where I did exactly that. Got inside his guard and just chipped away at him. The moment he got me up to 4 bleed stacks I would dance away and wait for them to drop off before moving in again. He simply couldn't deal with it.

High sustained damage with moderate burst has always been Eve's thing, which is pretty par for course on a Skirmisher. Eve should be about malice. About domination. You can't touch her and she knows it, so she's going to have fun with her kill.

Leaping in on someone and savagely exploding them before they can react is more of a Rengar thing

Mirage Night3 votes

"Your pain is my pleasure." is the core point of her to me. I really would love them to make this the defining aspect of her character in her story, her look, and her play style.

Malicious Metal2 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/6uRAp9eo-whats-an-evelynn)])

You've commented something similar on this thread of mine^^

Ralanr1 votes

Well it seemed more relevant now that her rework has been announced.

Maximum Morde1 votes

I love lane Eve, but they keep nerfing her :( . I haven't played her since last season when I was grinding her to mastery 7 on one of my accounts, but I love her E sound effect.

BIackfox1 votes

Nope, ever since the sjws took over riot they won't do anything like that. Why do you think we don't get anymore sexy skins? Why do you think quinns Valentine skin got covered up more?

When she gets her vgu I'm willing to bet $100 they will ruin her and cover her entire body in clothes.

Ralanr7 votes

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Nope, ever since the sjws took over riot they won't do anything like that. Why do you think we don't get anymore sexy skins? Why do you think quinns Valentine skin got covered up more?

When she gets her vgu I'm willing to bet $100 they will ruin her and cover her entire body in clothes.

Uhh...

https://dl.lolwallpapers.net/?id=11841

https://static.lolwallpapers.net/2016/04/5704c534e1952.jpg

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/2/20/Nidalee_FrenchMaidSkin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160524222459

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/sites/default/files/styles/scale_xlarge/public/upload/vi_demon_1920x1080.jpg?itok=DatNqGCh

Wtf do you mean we aren't getting sexy skins?

BIackfox1 votes

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Uhh...

https://dl.lolwallpapers.net/?id=11841

https://static.lolwallpapers.net/2016/04/5704c534e1952.jpg

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/2/20/Nidalee_FrenchMaidSkin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160524222459

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/sites/default/files/styles/scale_xlarge/public/upload/vi_demon_1920x1080.jpg?itok=DatNqGCh

Wtf do you mean we aren't getting sexy skins?

I'm talking about Kitty kat Katarina, janna and all the champs that came out half naked. When is the last naked champ we got? Also what happened to the pool party champs? Jinx lux vayne. But no we get Leona who is basically all covered up. Weird huh?

Taric is a guy and has no tits. Like santa braum

Nid isn't showing a lot of skin....?

What about it? Huge tits but all covered up

Valor Bot8 votes

You're equating 'sexy' to 'nude' or 'almost nude,' which are two different things.

BIackfox1 votes

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You're equating 'sexy' to 'nude' or 'almost nude,' which are two different things.

What I meant is half naked.

Ralanr2 votes

Dude, sexy (is mainly subjective) isn't always "almost nude". In fact, being too skimpy can leave too little to the imagination. Plus we can't forget fetishes (Maid Nidalee is playing with two. Sexy French maid and a foot fetish).

Taric and Braum are sexy men for women, gay men, and bisexuals of both genders. They count as sexy skins.

BIackfox1 votes

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Dude, sexy (is mainly subjective) isn't always "almost nude". In fact, being too skimpy can leave too little to the imagination. Plus we can't forget fetishes (Maid Nidalee is playing with two. Sexy French maid and a foot fetish).

Taric and Braum are sexy men for women, gay men, and bisexuals of both genders. They count as sexy skins.

What I meant is half naked.

Ralanr4 votes
BIackfox1 votes

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I don't think you're really appreciating this. Riot still be doing sexy skins.

I already mentioned him. When is the last half naked girl champ ....? And why would they cover up Quinn more?

Ralanr4 votes

Last half naked girl?

Why does that matter? If Riot was against sexy imagery in champions, they probably wouldn't have released that Santa Braum splash and most definitely not redone Maid Nidalee in that fashion.

I think you're letting your own preferences warp your opinion on Riot's standards.

BIackfox1 votes

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Last half naked girl?

Why does that matter? If Riot was against sexy imagery in champions, they probably wouldn't have released that Santa Braum splash and most definitely not redone Maid Nidalee in that fashion.

I think you're letting your own preferences warp your opinion on Riot's standards.

Braum is a guy. Nidalee isn't half naked.

Ralanr4 votes

Just because you don't find it sexy doesn't mean others don't.

Plus if Riot was against half naked Champions, then they'd probably have changed Leblanc's base model and splash art.

There is no way the would be prevented from having Eve dressed in Psuedo S&M gear.

reaperteaser1 votes

on that note, i cant wait for the sun goddess karma splash

Valaran Nara5 votes

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I already mentioned him. When is the last half naked girl champ ....? And why would they cover up Quinn more?

Honestly, I'm going to say it's because "scantily clad" doesn't work for Quinn overall. It's her personality and how she portrays herself. I can imagine a "sexier" skin down the line, but her posture and stance might not lend itself to it being showcased in the model. (splash art, SURE, model no)

Not every female champ needs to be half-dressed to be considered sexy.

In a few places in Europe, women are actually allowed to walk around without a shirt, exactly like men here. Why? Because advertisement and media doesn't overly sexualize women to the point that any form of skin is seen as "SEX SEX SEX!"

HalfTangible1 votes

I hate SJWs too, mate, but frankly Quinn's Heartseeker skin looked bad with that much skin exposed. Not 'too sexy', just 'ugly'. On top of that, covering someone up is not the same thing as removing sex appeal.

Evelynn will keep her outfit; I'm dead certain of it. Her color story from the shadow isles update (iirc) left her mostly exposed (also painted her as someone who likes to LOOK weak and then make herself your boss) and on top of that she's got one of the most iconic designs in League. Cassiopeia didn't get covered up, Ahri didn't get covered up, Fiora's Nightraven skin didn't get covered up, Riven never got covered up. Riot's been pretty good about keeping what made old designs beloved while improving their gameplay/effects.

I like Eve (she was my go-to AP jungler for a while before I switched to Shyvana for the tankiness) and I think the OP's idea to make her this playful 'toy with my prey' sadist idea could be interesting, but it also strikes me as a bad idea for a squishy assassin.

BIackfox1 votes

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I hate SJWs too, mate, but frankly Quinn's Heartseeker skin looked bad with that much skin exposed. Not 'too sexy', just 'ugly'. On top of that, covering someone up is not the same thing as removing sex appeal.

Evelynn will keep her outfit; I'm dead certain of it. Her color story from the shadow isles update (iirc) left her mostly exposed (also painted her as someone who likes to LOOK weak and then make herself your boss) and on top of that she's got one of the most iconic designs in League. Cassiopeia didn't get covered up, Ahri didn't get covered up, Fiora's Nightraven skin didn't get covered up, Riven never got covered up. Riot's been pretty good about keeping what made old designs beloved while improving their gameplay/effects.

I like Eve (she was my go-to AP jungler for a while before I switched to Shyvana for the tankiness) and I think the OP's idea to make her this playful 'toy with my prey' sadist idea could be interesting, but it also strikes me as a bad idea for a squishy assassin.

I'm gonna keep this thread bookmarked so I can come back to it when she gets her update.

Ralanr1 votes

Personally I think she should be a skirmisher over an assassin.

VelvetCrotch1 votes

if u read through Reav3's statement carefully i can assume, that she wont be a diver after her VGU and all (or some) of her abilities will cost something. (i guess health, obviously) to compensate that, she will get a bigger healthpool. And before i'll forget it, he mentioned aswell, that they will switch her dmg from her ult to some of her base-abilities.

yw ;-)

Rewt1 votes

she is the OG blood/Shadow mage. she was released before zed or Vlad. Her Kit and game style is the original running kite champ. if they do change her at all i hope they dont change the Q or the passive, they just fit her too well.

Ralanr1 votes

She may be the original, but Zed and Vlad do it better.

Ultîma1 votes

I think you're oversimplying how each of these characters use the themes of shadow and blood relative to Eve. Vlad is a hemomancer; someone who uses blood (his own and that of others) to cast spells. He controls blood, and blood is the medium through which he becomes powerful. In-lore, Vlad is also responsible for creating Sion through his art.

Zed, on the other hand, stole the secret techniques of Shen's clan, which allowed him to manipulate shadows. His mastery over darkness seems to be ancient Ionian magic.

Eve on the other hand? Other than the fact that she hails from the Shadow Isles we know little about her, but that in itself is very telling. Think about what the ruination did to the denizens of the isles; they all became corrupted and vile. Preying on all life. Eve's overall design is not far off from a vampiress, or a succubus in the sense that we can gather she either drains the life-force of her preys or draws something from their pain. Being that she also strikes from the shadows, killing her target before disappearing again in a flash, it's possible that Eve might also be another type of spirit from the Shadow Isles like Hecarim or Kalista, albeit with a far more sinister purpose behind why she kills her targets.

Don't be so quick to dismiss blood or shadows as possible pillars of Eve's character, since both prospects could make her character epic in a very different way than either Zed or Vlad.

kitcat3001 votes

I remember during Taliyah's development they were working on a concept for a spite mage, maybe something like that could work for her?

Her old ult was even named "Malice and Spite."

WinTheWarOnPants1 votes

She is for sure a "sadist", but putting her in a dominatrix out fit was just riot being very lazy and uncreative(it was a long time ago). As an Evelynn one trick you actually did a decent job describing her. The key part that makes her newest splash great is her expression. Her expression is awesome for two reasons 1. it is very rare for a champ to show emotion in their splash(srsly! just scroll through the champ icons. Its insane how many blank stares there are.) 2. The expression used is perfect and really shows her character. Evelynn has 2 very core parts of her kit. 1. her passive and 2. her Q. Her passive allows her to fullfill her theme is way to many ways to talk about in this comment, but the main ways is of course

  1. assassinating low Hp targets
  2. giving enemies a sense of dread/worry when they don't know where she is
  3. weaving in between enemies trying to keep them out of stealth range and strategic hit and runs.

Her Q is like you said. It whittles down enemies and toys with them. It also gives her sustain for clearing the jg which makes it core from a practical point of view.

Her W is her gap closer and keeps her from being kited to kingdom come making it also pretty core. Her E is mostly burst, but also AS sustain for clears(thematically makes a lot of sense). Her ult lets her fight targets that are more than +3/4 HP and helps her stick, but would be the only thing i would change in her kit.

Her weapon 100% should not change. Her "hate spikes" are unique, interesting, and her kit is formed around it. for her rework though it could either way between 1. Magic spikes that she summons though "magic" or something. or 2. She physically grows spikes. heck or 3. both idc.

Rebonack1 votes

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more or less skin, she should go in direction of a succubus. succubus look like that:

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/b/b3/Succubus_by_arsenal21-d5b0r51.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130813103128

http://cdn.obsidianportal.com/assets/220573/smolderingsuccubus1280_by_graysun_d-d69a3et__1_.jpg

https://www.cosplayhouse.com/images/product/D/Dota-2-Cosplay-Queen-of-Pain-Cosplay-Costume-Version-01-2.jpg

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/002/000/773/large/artstudio0618-bc-img-0429.jpg?1455768937

No, that's what the D&D demon of the same name looks like, which everyone else saw fit to mimic because sex sells.

A succubus looks like a bestial hag that sits on dudes and gives them a blow job while they're sleeping to use their seamen to make demon babies.

TacoKingIII1 votes

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