Something interesting we all missed when we saw Jhin's VO.

Melledoneus··86 votes·39,425 views

I was reading the Q&A for Jhin when a Rioter brought up something that caught my eye. He noted that there is an underlying theme to some of Jhin's lines that imply that not only does he want to keep performing until the end, but he actually WANTS to get caught. So I decided to find these quotes and share them with you all so we can all get to know the Mind of the Virtuoso a little bit better.


#"Until they stop me, I will keep going."

Now that's a little strange. Amongst all the talk of not being able to stop beauty and art being perfect, we have this little tidbit. He mentions being stopped, and that he will "keep going" until somebody else stops him. It almost seems as if Khada Jhin feels the need to keep going forever, tirelessly, until somebody puts him out of commission.

#"I swear each performance is the last, but I lie every time."

This one is much less subtle than the last. Jhin keeps promising himself "this is the last one," but he can't seem to. It's almost as if he WANTS to stop, but he absolutely cannot. It's like when you're eating a bag of your favorite potato chips and you keep saying "this is my last chip," fully aware you want to stop, but you grab another chip anyway. Jhin seems to be the same way, just wanting each performance to be its last.

"I am a slave to this passion."

Ok, ok. I know that this is a stereotypical "art is part of me" statement by Jhin, but what if he means it literally? What if instead of him controlling his work,** it controls him?** What if Jhin is constantly feeding an obsession that he cannot sate, but he just wants to stop? I'm pretty sure he wants recognition, as he proves himself to be wanting of praise time and again, so what if he just wants to prove that he is adept to the world? Being the intelligent man he is, he would have considered other options and found them more acceptable, but cannot stop himself on this path he set himself on.

"The moment before the shot... is painful."

This has to at least raise some red flags for some of you out there. The guy is literally telling us that he feels the pain of having the power to take a human life as he pulls the trigger. If this doesn't prove that Jhin wants it to stop, what does?

"My work asks questions, it never has answers."

This one might be a bit of a stretch, but hear me out. Every human being, even the ones who have gone absolutely insane, strive to find something in life. For Jhin, he strives to find answers to all his questions. What do people see me as? How can the audience ever love such a hideous face as mine? How can one achieve TRUE perfection? Questions like these drive Jhin to do what he does, and as he keeps doing his performances and delves deeper into madness, he questions more and more. But this endless cycle keeps raising more questions, never answering them. It is perhaps for this reason that Jhin wants it all to stop one day. To be captured. To go out with a bang.


Tell me what you all think. Just a little bit of analysis on my part to confirm something I heard.

115 Comments

Sir Danzig63 votes

Pretext: I am a clinical therapist who has previously done both acute and long-term interventions with people convicted of murder and rape amongst other things.

I'll be honest, I don't care for Jhin's kit all that much, but the character is frighteningly well developed. It's actually for this reason that I have so much fun playing him. There are strong characteristics of multiple mental disorders including Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (the number 4, killing compulsions, etc.) and (what appears to me to be) Bipolar Disorder (the belief that he is perfection incarnate, minimizing his own terrible actions, the laughter upon death, the fact that when he talks to himself you can actually hear multiple instruments which is a metaphor for his elevated position in his own head). I absolutely love the minor details, such as Jhin humming to himself to assuage his "stage fright" and his inconsistencies when he speaks (aka how he hates killing but he has to). In reading an article on the development of Jhin, the devs stated that they had to go to a very dark place to come up with these things. As far as a complete character, Jhin hits home harder than any character Riot has made before. I actually considered creating a fake case study of Jhin to take to my interns to help with both diagnostic criteria for mental health disorders as well as possible interventions. And we didn't even cover the fact that he was released from prison and paid off to murder more, which adds a whole other wrinkle to it! So many more possibilities and discussions!

Kisindián5 votes

Wow this was very interesting to read, I had waited for someone who did actually deal with these kind of mentally ill people, and how do they think this character was built up.

RiotWAAARGHbobo60 votes

Wow thanks. I wasn't gonna comment on this thread as people seemed to be working it out. But this assessment meant a lot and I felt I had to thank you.
I did some research before writing Jhin and then tried to make sure that there was some painful vulnerabilities inside that monster.
He was unpleasant to write from within, and I believe Kyle (sound team) had to take breaks when doing the long days of work on him.

Thanks again.

This made my day.

Waaarghbobo.

Melledoneus8 votes

Usually when people think insane, they think of someone absolutely hysterical like The Joker or someone religiously insane like Monseigneur Claude Frollo.

But the shocking amount of detail, little tidbits, and depth of character portrayed within Jhin, as well as the fact that he has to memorize everything out loud to believe and verify it, is amazing. Not to mention he might even have to speak aloud to drown out voices in his head, so that could be another factor.

Jhin is, by far, the deepest character you have delved into when it came to detail and mental analysis. And for that, I give Riot a gold star.

the Anarchit3cht18 votes

design more champions. hands down. that's all there is too it. idk about anyone else but i love emotional wrecks.

StealthWarden2 votes

no need for another emotional wreck lest we find ourselves back in 90's alternative, lol. So much angst :P But the level of depth to his character is pretty legit. That we can keep going strong for sure.

AIIan5 votes

I can tell from experience you made an awesome work on Jhin characterization.

I first had to stop by a mental institution as young as 8-years old where I was diagnose with multiple mental illness. I had to take risperidone for years and even today, long after I stopped any appointment, I know I'm not cured. In fact, it might even be worse. Needless to say, some questions keep haunting me. Can I even be cured ? Can you cure someone who was never healthy to begin with ?

Jhin hit close to home. So, no, I'm not killing people and I don't do drugs, but you don't need such spectacular symptoms to feel pain and distress. And as both an artist and someone with mental disorders, I can easely relate to his questioning and suffering. Maybe not exactly in the way you intended him to be, but something similar.

Every one of his line is... perfect :)

Sir Danzig2 votes

As I said before, the accuracy and themes keep me coming back to him. He is the only champion in this game that I actually turn off my music to listen to the dialogue each and every game. I will admit that more than a few times, I heard a line, became a bit serendipitous about it and got myself killed by not paying attention :P And by all means, if there is anything I can do in the future to help you guys write another amazing character like this, I'm just a PM away :) Thank you for the dedication to your craft.

No More Cages4 votes

The work done on Jhin isn't going unappreciated! By far, this is one of the most entrancing champions, and character in general, I've run across. <3

Jhin

  • "Yes, the gun is ironic."
Melledoneus3 votes

This is, by far, very accurate of an analysis. I live with people who are psychologists, have delved deep into the subject myself, and have friends who deal with some of those conditions. It's simply amazing how much detail, clarity, and minute aspects of Jhin are portrayed in every single line, tick, and action of his. He's not simply a self-proclaimed artist: he's one that was crafted from insanity so accurate they might as well have found the real deal and had the guy voice Jhin.

1 800 MID LANE2 votes

If I may point something out here, I would tag him as more likely having Borderline Personality Disorder rather than Bipolar.

Sir Danzig3 votes

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If I may point something out here, I would tag him as more likely having Borderline Personality Disorder rather than Bipolar.

I would refute this mainly due to the fact that we know almost nothing about Jhin's personal life. The criteria for Borderline focuses primarily on interpersonal relationships and one's ability to manipulate them. I do agree though that he meets some of the mood based criteria.

m2ua34Hs6j1 votes

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Pretext: I am a clinical therapist who has previously done both acute and long-term interventions with people convicted of murder and rape amongst other things.

I'll be honest, I don't care for Jhin's kit all that much, but the character is frighteningly well developed. It's actually for this reason that I have so much fun playing him. There are strong characteristics of multiple mental disorders including Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (the number 4, killing compulsions, etc.) and (what appears to me to be) Bipolar Disorder (the belief that he is perfection incarnate, minimizing his own terrible actions, the laughter upon death, the fact that when he talks to himself you can actually hear multiple instruments which is a metaphor for his elevated position in his own head). I absolutely love the minor details, such as Jhin humming to himself to assuage his "stage fright" and his inconsistencies when he speaks (aka how he hates killing but he has to). In reading an article on the development of Jhin, the devs stated that they had to go to a very dark place to come up with these things. As far as a complete character, Jhin hits home harder than any character Riot has made before. I actually considered creating a fake case study of Jhin to take to my interns to help with both diagnostic criteria for mental health disorders as well as possible interventions. And we didn't even cover the fact that he was released from prison and paid off to murder more, which adds a whole other wrinkle to it! So many more possibilities and discussions!

How are you a clinical therapist but don't know the difference between bipolar and NPD? Not being an ass, honest question. What kind of credentials do you have?

Sir Danzig5 votes

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How are you a clinical therapist but don't know the difference between bipolar and NPD? Not being an ass, honest question. What kind of credentials do you have?

I'm a licensed clinical social worker (so yes, professional credentials). Bipolar disorder is an Axis I disorder while Narcissistic Personality Disorder is Axis II. Any Personality disorder is typically secondary to an Axis I because it is assumed that an Axis II is INHERENT to the person's personality or function. Bipolar disorder (Both Bipolar I and Bipolar II) can be controlled with both medication and therapy to an extent where as a personality disorder really can't. In this case, Jhin isn't just narcissistic in nature, he very clearly displays traits of Bipolar Disorder including: Self-inflated grandiosity, racing thoughts, elevated mood/euphoria, and increase in goal-directed activities. Can we say for certain Jhin has been through a manic phase? Well no, cause he's a video game character. But if i met him in a clinic, he would likely meet criteria for both disorders.

P.S. I am aware Axis I and II aren't used with DSM 5. It just makes this whole thing easier to explain.

Wolfbanez1228 votes

There is no performance unless there is someone there to witness it.

Melledoneus5 votes

What's the fun in making art when there is nobody to see it? An artist cannot critique his own work.

Morsigil21 votes

He is a serial murderer with a guilty conscience. It is an archetype in popular culture if not an accurate representation of true serial killers. He feels a compulsion to kill and to make it an art form according to his values, and he feels bad about it... but it's not enough to stop him.
Jhin

kile1473 votes

He's also Obsessive Compulsive (thus his love affair with 4), which means he literally feels compulsions to do things and feels like things will be terrible if he doesn't. He may know it's wrong, but his brain tells him he has to.

GreenLore20 votes

Yeah Jhin is like an addict,he knows what he does is bad,but he simply can't stop it.

There are also the quotes: "I want to feel everything. The gun makes it so I do." "I can't live without the euphoria of performance." "It is only when the gun fires that I am alive."

That honestly sounds like he is suffering from depression and like he only feels good when killing.

Lumen Sage18 votes

Honestly I interpret his "the moment before the shot...is painful" as him anticipating pulling the trigger more and more, but for his art he has to wait for just the right moment. He is waiting for that moment, seeing it coming closer and it is paining him. He is so close to release, to put it another way.

Personally my favorite aspect of him comes from his quote "I get nervous before every performance, but I need that feeling." I did not originally put much stock into it until I noticed that sometimes during the first 1 min 30 seconds he can be heard breathing heavily, humming, whistling or similarly making small noises. Jhin has stagefright at the start of each game.

Malicious Metal9 votes

I would too if I saw the enemy team consisting of 5 champions that could easily dive you.

Melledoneus7 votes

Jhin Cautiously pulls out gun to fire Leblanc On the other side of the lane, farming casually Jhin "...one-" Sion "COWAAAAAAAAAAAARDS!" Zac "INCOMIIIIIIIIIIIIING!" Tristana "SHORTCUT!" Karthus "Listen and rejoice in DEATH!"

Jhin Eye twitch as everyone lands on him "Ehehehehe..." Dies "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!"

Weeb Guardian3 votes

This actually feels really accurate... i played jhin a lot some weeks ago and i know that feeling of: dives, DIVES EVERYWHERE

This sort of sht could make people go mad, honestly...

Poor jhin

Captain Aishi16 votes

Jhin laughs really hard when you kill him, because he is overwhelmed by emotion at no longer being an artist, but instead having become art himself!

Rendarkan16 votes

This one is much less subtle than the last. Jhin keeps promising himself "this is the last one," but he can't seem to. It's almost as if he WANTS to stop, but he absolutely cannot. It's like when you're eating a bag of your favorite potato chips and you keep saying "this is my last chip," fully aware you want to stop, but you grab another chip anyway. Jhin seems to be the same way, just wanting each performance to be its last.

Eating Potato chips = Serial killer. -looks at his potato chips- Well shit.

UomoAfide4 votes

Damn, i'm gonna question my sanity everytime i eat cherries

Swainey Todd7 votes

Welp. Better change my summoner name.

Unpaladin7 votes

I'll TAKE A POTATO CHIP AND EAT IT

Xeynid15 votes

Jhin has some form of OCD. We learned this in his flavor text with his obsession with wiping the gun four times whenever he uses it, otherwise it would feel "Unclean"

Jhin has a murder compulsion. He doesn't kill people because it's fun, but because he can't stop himself. I mean, there's some interesting concept there with his mental disease being a result of some form of magic, and it's possible that his obsession with making his killings "Beautiful" is because he constantly has to be more elaborate to try and get a sense of satisfaction from his urges.

Arakadia1 votes

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense especially that if he is depressed, he feels better when others have to go through something horrible. He probably got depressed when he stayed in prison so long, and thus wanted others to feel what he went through and ruin their lives like his. Thus the quote:

"It's better doing this up here, then being down there doing nothing."

He's obsessed with four as you said and can't control it. That's the CD part of OCD, obsessive control disorder.

Wolf2Lamb1 votes

Just gonna point out, OCD is Obsessive Compulsive Disorder...

Arakadia2 votes

Oops mb

Malicious Metal8 votes

He does seem like he WANTS to be caught, but not going down easily. Think Alucard from Hellsing.

Melledoneus4 votes

I don't remember ever referring to derogatory terms for female canines having a specific preference for cannons.

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Bladeglory8 votes

This was pointed out to me a while ago and I loved it. Those lines belie a conscience within him, a yearning for someone to stop him and end this compulsive habit that he cannot break himself. It's so tragic!

...and that's exactly what he wants you to think.

I realized the other night while reading the updated lore that Jhin sees himself as an artist. Yes, I know that should be obvious, but really think about it. He sees himself as a creator and a performer, planning meticulous works of grisly and gory art. And like all shows, it must eventually come to an end. But not by simply being captured, no, no.

"Where's the drama in that?" Jhin

Characters in fiction, even villains, need a reason. Need a story. Whether they have mommy issues or were rendered insane in an experiment gone wrong, villains have a (small) reason for doing what they do, and Jhin does not see himself as an exception. His is a morbid fascination with "Beauty in Death" and he simply cannot help it!

"...every time I lie" Jhin

...and it is indeed a lie. Jhin feels no remorse whatsoever. He's insane. He's engineered himself a chance at redemption to make the story more interesting. Everyone here has just been lured in by the story of a mentally ill man who yearns for saving from his own madness. We fell for the drama he's written for us.

There's no doubt in my mind that if Jhin were ever truly cornered, if Zed or Shen were moments away from ending his life, that somehow, there'd be a decently sized audience and a method of killing himself available to Jhin. "Finally, the golden demon is defeated! Oh how I've longed for this day. It's been so many years of pain and sorrow, unable to stop myself when every death breaks my heart! But I shall not sully your hands with my death, no. I must have the courage to put such a monster out of everyone's misery myself. I do so regret I hadn't the courage earlier! Goodbye, faithful audience. You'll miss me."

Zed and Shen would spend the rest of the night examining the scene. They'd examine the base of the cliffs and search for the body. Maybe it was a hidden knife or poison, and they'd examine it thoroughly, looking to determine if it was a body double or a really good false death. They'd spend months poring over what happened, wondering if it's really over. They'd spend the rest of their lives wondering if what he said was true.

This world will never forget the performances of Khada Jhin.

Photos of Ghosts5 votes

I LOVE every sentence where his voice gets funny and he loses his composure and acted persona to show how fragile he is. Not only those about him wanting to be stopped.

Also I think this may be a good way to tell. If his voice trembles, it's probably a sign of something deeper. Else, not.

Cosnirak5 votes

we all missed

I didn't miss any of this. If anything, to me it was pretty obvious. I think it's possibly the most important thing about him so I'm glad it was made so clear.

Kisindiaan3 votes

Yeah well you just painted down his character!

What I'm really interested of is, how does a man get to this point. But I guess only psychiatrians could answer this, maybe. I'd really love to learn about his childhood, for instance.

Melledoneus5 votes

It's like an addiction. You kill one man. You think, "what have I done?" But some people find an interest in it. They think, "what have I done? But what else can I do?" And from there, the never-ending cycle of obsession and compulsion begins. Action to feed need, need becomes stronger, need inspires action.

I'm guessing Jhin might have killed people as a job before he grew obsessed with it. This is complemented by the fact that his father ran a dojo once, and he has mastery in chi and blades.

Arakadia1 votes

He was in prison for along time, who knows what Ionian prison is like

Bladeglory3 votes

We got a hint of what it was like. You did arts and crafts as monks psychoanalyze you.

...the monks noted he was a bright student who excelled in many subjects, including smithing, poetry, and dance. Regardless, the guards and monks could find nothing to cure him of his morbid fascinations.

Kisindián2 votes

He was in prison because he was slaughtering innocent people. He was already all messed up before the prison... + lore says Ionian prisons are very humane, though being shut up in a cell, unable to express his art must not have been a good influence on his already broken personality.

Swaid3 votes

It's the mask, its doing things to him; perhaps when he wears it, he thinks himself another person that must commit these acts, trapped behind a personality he created to forgo morality to pursue his passion. Think of it like Two-Face's coin; Jhin views the mask as an enabler, allowing him to perform such acts because in the beginning, he wore the mask to hide his identity and it prehaps evolved into a nessecity to wear the mask to make his art until he became dependent.

Melledoneus5 votes

The mask is mainly present to hide his face. He seems himself as hideous, so he wears a literal mask so that the audience can gaze upon him and love him.

Arakadia1 votes

Actually a Rioter said Jhin looks normal and would fit into an everyday crowd when he is just doing everyday stuff and all.

Melledoneus1 votes

I never said he WAS ugly. He just sees himself as hideous. Whether it be him fulfilling the tragic character role, or just being self-degrading, he's insecure about showing his face for that specific reason.

Arakadia1 votes

I think its more he uses it as a second personality. I think he uses it to make himself another person whos killing. Its The Golden Demon who's killing, not Khada Jhin. He can hide behind the mask and not feel guilty.

Melledoneus2 votes

I mean, it mentions specifically in his flavor text that Jhin thinks he's downright hideous.

crippler381 votes

is that why in his color text it sounds like he wants shen and zed to work together to either kill him or him kill them? after all he said that is when the performance would really go. (I think I swear if I'm wrong about what I remember I'm going to cry)

I mean he's leaving hints for them to find him right?

Sir Danzig3 votes

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is that why in his color text it sounds like he wants shen and zed to work together to either kill him or him kill them? after all he said that is when the performance would really go. (I think I swear if I'm wrong about what I remember I'm going to cry)

I mean he's leaving hints for them to find him right?

It could very well be a game to him, but it could also be revenge or both. Narcissists by definition have a deeply held belief that they are better/superior to all others. The fact that Zed and Shen previously beat him likely left him in a state of shock and disbelief. On the other hand, even narcissists can recognize "near equals" (as a client of mine once said) and beating those people becomes almost a passion in itself. And to truly express his "art" he needs to both physically and mentally destroy those who stopped him the first time. It's very much a case of "suffering for [his] art."

And as for the hints, Jhin is manipulating Zed and Shen in the Fourth (heh) episode. Sure he likely wants them dead but he will "pull the string, and they dance" first as I believe the VO line states. He needs the gratification of winning his own game before he actually wins.

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