@Jaredan, you should stop making lore now

GenoXx·Feb 10, 2015·16 votes·1,708 views

Seriously, if u can't please your fans you should let some one else Run Narrative. Since I last spoke to you(which is when I asked about Azirs and xeraths short stories) None of u guys in narrative attempted to communicate with the lore community( except on Rek Sais Q&A). And until recently you said it was because you didn't know how to respond??? A simple thread would have been better. Yet those ideals isn't in Narratives book. You still have yet to release anything that isn't tied to a champ release. Such as the Shurima stories. Honestly I hate to say it but, this Narrative could be the worst, as far as I know. Should really let stronger people Handle this job. No disrespect at all, just seems like it's the best choice

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Slushi SimcambiFeb 10, 20157 votes

They STILL haven't done that Discussion that they promised a while back.

Like.

How much effort does that take. We literally gave them topics.

It's been 2 and a half weeks now. Every day I come back here and check.

Nothing.

I had so much hope that this could become a weekly thing, but it turned out the Narrative team couldn't make ONE FREAKING thread on these forums they claim they want to use.

Jeddy017Feb 10, 20151 votes

I guess we're not counting this thread - http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/EEPKkkVp-what-champs-do-you-want-to-hear-more-about

I can see how you choose to ignore it,due to a lack of back & forward discussions.Over 700 posts & only 5 red responses (the last of which was 4 days ago).I mean,at least 20 red response would be fine.

LordTekronFeb 10, 20151 votes

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I guess we're not counting this thread - http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/EEPKkkVp-what-champs-do-you-want-to-hear-more-about

I can see how you choose to ignore it,due to a lack of back & forward discussions.Over 700 posts & only 5 red responses (the last of which was 4 days ago).I mean,at least 20 red response would be fine.

Maybe they are just waiting a bit to get all the answers ready for a big "okay, here is all the actual shit explained" Thread, easier to make a new thread that has all the answers then to shuffle through to find all the red posts. Or maybe they just sorta forgot, either way, I still want to know how Swain got his bird morphing powers...

Jeddy017Feb 10, 20151 votes

Personally,I rather they make a thread or some dev blog explaining what the lore is now.Or at least give us their core ideas for the lore.

I doubt they're going to answer questions in a thread.They are probably using that thread to get an idea of what people want to see.Meaning that the most popular suggestions may,I repeat MAY, end up higher on the priority list (I'm so sorry Urgot item 3070 )

GenoXxFeb 10, 20152 votes

You can't. And here's why. That thread is the living proof that Narrative don't know how to approach a crowd. Why ask us who we want to hear about when you know that a lot of us are still waiting on the shurima bios and the following shadow isles bios. We've been asking this for months. And yet they ask us who do we want to see??? Knowing full well that it would be over a hundred replies, that was them pretty much trying to make up for their lack of communication.

Because who would really look through 700+comments?? It's because I read situations and know a bit of psychology I see through this......As u can see.... No news following that thread Ant in Oz made....yet

Darrosh JewfistFeb 10, 20156 votes

Speculation incoming but I suspect a lot of narrative's issues comes from constant team shuffling and too many hands on a project with too many visions pulling it apart.

Then again, it'd be nice if we had a better idea of WHO was on the narrative team to begin with instead of a speculation list and a few iconic faces. It'd be nice to see narrative discuss themes and values

For example, I remember reading the Sion update and how one of the visual goals was the contrast between the bulkier-older-Sion with the sleeker-agile-precise-Darius which shows the advancement of Noxus.

IT'D BE TOTALLY NEAT IF NARRATIVE HAD A DISCUSSION AROUND THIS.

Instead we get music videos.

Music videos on Amumu's backstory? Sure, that's neat and all... but it's instantaneous gratification that immediately fades away.

I want lore we can discuss and stories to speculate on, not small consumable bits of lore that don't interlock together.

junglerboy16Feb 10, 20152 votes

The music videos were unrelated to lore in any way according to several different Rioters.

CupcakeTrapFeb 10, 20152 votes

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For example, I remember reading the Sion update and how one of the visual goals was the contrast between the bulkier-older-Sion with the sleeker-agile-precise-Darius which shows the advancement of Noxus.

IT'D BE TOTALLY NEAT IF NARRATIVE HAD A DISCUSSION AROUND THIS.

Ja, vat is dere to say? Daaaahrius is a little twirly ballerina-girl.

Sion plodded across the sand toward where Darius fought. “Oh, look at zees. You Noxians today! Look at you spinning und twaaaaahling in saaaahcles like a little balleriiiinah. Blocking und dodging like a little frou-frou gahly-man. Oh, no, you say, zees skeletons, dey are so scaaaahry, dey will hurt my little fleshy baaahdy if I do not prance around zem with my ballerina dancing und my pretty princess blocking moves dat my little sistah taught me.”

Darius roared as he grabbed hold of the halberd’s shaft and flung its rider down into the sand. A downward swing from his axe dispatched it.

“Oh, I’m saaahhhhry, did Sion haahhht your feelings? Is Darius angry? Is ze Hand of Noxus going to cry to his maaahmmy?”

Sion’s eye sockets flared red. His gaze froze the other chariot’s rider, a mummified corpse in royal garb, in its place. “No, wait, I sink it is more like cry to his MUMMY. You know vhat I mean?” A swing from his axe hacked it in half at the waist. “Ha. Dat was a real SIDE-SPLITTAH.”

GigglebytesFeb 10, 20153 votes

@GenociderX You should probably stop making threads now

GenoXxFeb 10, 20152 votes

Oh?

KING OF MASKSFeb 10, 20153 votes

WHEN DID HE START?!

uproarious laughter

But seriously I don't blame Jaredan exclusively for the current lore vacuum. We don't know for certain what's going on so until things are cleared up we can safely just blame the entirety of rito's narrative team.

CupcakeTrapFeb 10, 20153 votes

Come on, guys. After what happened with Opeli, I had really, really hoped that people had turned over a new leaf.

Jaredan is a nice guy. I'm not sure which specific lore pieces are his, because authorship isn't always clear, but I think new Narrative has produced some good lore. You know that I was bitterly opposed to the Great Retcon, and I really don't like how Narrative isn't engaging with the community in a meaningful way (e.g. talking about settings and Champions before rewriting them), but I think they're trying. They've also been releasing more "backwards-compatible" lore of late.

Creating a thread telling someone they should resign is a real low-blow. Let's keep some sense of perspective.

junglerboy16Feb 10, 20152 votes

I just wish they would stop hiding behind their legalese about not being allowed to talk to us in case copyright. Sure it is a legitimate issue about why they don't ask us for specific lore ideas, but how the heck does that keep them from writing any new lore in the past 5 months outside new releases. I know that the creative process takes time and that they can't just throw us any random crap they think of. But really, they are starting from a blank slate (yay retcons -_-) so any cool idea they have could be canonized with ease at this point and there shouldn't be anything that is slowing them down this much, unless they plan to release the new revamped lore in one fell swoop as a giant compendium of sorts.

The Red WardenFeb 10, 20152 votes

Just going to point out that Jax still does not have a reason to exist now that the league is gone. Take the league put of his lore and you are left with random hermit. Are they okay with one of their champions being the 'random hermit'

Sneak DogFeb 10, 20152 votes

I don't like how the current narrative team is handling things either, but don't go making negative threads targeting specific members of it. It's simply not constructive.

No disrespect at all, just seems like it's the best choice

I'm fairly sure the OP is just some targeted flaming regardless of you saying this...

We are all frustrated with narratives lack of communication and unwillingness to share. Don't take it out on Jaredan specifically.

GenoXxFeb 10, 20151 votes

I'm not, last I heard he's senior editor, who seems like the leader. It's a message to all but since he's the only one we know other than carnival knights and ant in oz, he the only one communicating with us. So I'm not trying to single him out. The fact that he is the only to engage with us is why I said no disrespect. I have a level if respect for him.

Sneak DogFeb 10, 20152 votes

@Jaredan, you should stop making lore now

That's the title. You're singling him out from the offset.

Seriously, if u can't please your fans you should let some one else Run Narrative.

Now you're asking him to get a different job?

So I'm not trying to single him out.

It sure can be interpreted that way.

These forums are scary enough as is for narrative. If you want to rant about them, please rant about narrative as a separate entity instead of specific members. There is no constructive reason to call out Jaredan specifically. Most of us here are unhappy and vocal about it and I can imagine things being quite hectic at Riot with the retcon, internal reorganising and their mini-website they still plan to release with the full lores.

Consider editing your OP if you think in hindsight that you singled him out. If you disagree with my statements, please do tell me why (I love discussion).

GenoXxFeb 10, 20151 votes

I see U have selective reading. I clearly said that I do respect him and the reason I put his name because he's the only of the narrative to engage wih us. I also heard he is the senior editor which is kinda like the leader of the group. Next time think about what I wrote instead of trying to twist my words. I love discussion too.

Sneak DogFeb 10, 20151 votes

I honestly have no clue what a senior editor is. I have no clue how the narrative is structured at all.

Honestly I hate to say it but, this Narrative could be the worst, as far as I know. Should really let stronger people Handle this job. No disrespect at all, just seems like it's the best choice

I feel like this is disrespectful. I don't think any of us have a clue what Jaredan does in narrative, who are we to tell him to 'let stronger people handle this job'?

I am selecting the negative parts because they matter. I've read the entire thing and won't quote the entire thing because it's right up there for anyone to read. If you insult someone then flatter him doesn't mean you didn't insult him.

DotintheparadoxFeb 11, 20152 votes

I don't want him to stop writing, I just want him to write for the community that actually kept up with the lore before the bullshit retcon, instead of for themselves like they seem to be doing now.

MotajoFeb 10, 20151 votes

I wish they'd go into more detail, and answer more of the "difficult" questions and counterpoints. I know there's plenty Riot can't reveal for actual reasons, but, contrary to what no one here believes, there is a communicative middle ground between "Area 51" and "comprehensive video of all inner workings down to the individual nostril hair."

MatezoideFeb 10, 20151 votes

lol the Lore Team is just a public figure, they dont actually DO lore.

At best they are playtesters.

DreamspitterFeb 10, 20153 votes

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lol the Lore Team is just a public figure, they dont actually DO lore.

At best they are playtesters.

how do you playtest lore?

EfficientDynamoFeb 10, 20156 votes

More likely they are the most underfunded and unappreciated team in Riot. Their work probably doesn't drive sales, gameplay, or any other metric that Riot cares about (especially since LoL isn't a story-driven game). So Riot probably has some people do it part time, since the writeups are useless to the business. The music videos and promos are flashy and drive customer awareness, but a lore page... not so much.

Not saying I like this, but it is probably the best explanation for the silence and lack of progress.

VardenSaladFeb 10, 20151 votes

I actually don't think Riot EVER had a lore team; it was just something picked up collectively by a bunch of employees and they got the OK to make content. As soon as someone decided to put a "greater focus" on lore, they've done nothing. Absolutely nothing. And it's so hard, as someone who's been around for so many years, to see the Olympus-sized drop-off in content in the last 2-3 years.

I don't know what happened. Does the company that exists now look like it would put in the effort to maintaining a Journal of Justice, simply in terms of fan interaction and content generation? That Riot is dead.