Defending Jhin

SpecterVonBaren··82 votes·8,418 views

So Jhin has finally been revealed to us and so far it seems a lot of people are disappointed with him, saying that he's got no real artistic element to his kit or look, or that his kit is a generic Frankenstein abomination of other champions.

I'm not here to talk about the kit, I want to defend his visuals, theme and character.

I think the problem with Jhin in this respect isn't Jhin but whoever was in charge of advertising him. From what was teased at us by Rioters and Gypsy, it seems like Jhin is going to be a very unsettling psychopath kind of character, not like Jinx who's funny and looney, but like serial killer crazy. What this tells me is that there was a miscommunication between the champ creators and the advertisers on what a Virtuoso is and what Jhin sees as art.

Some of you may know of a movie called 'American Beauty', I won't go into too much detail about it but there's a character in the movie that sees beauty in very strange things, he takes pictures of dead birds and a video of a trashbag tumbling and swirling in the wind is one of the things he considers the most beautiful thing ever. At the end of the movie when the main character (Played by Kevin Spacey) dies (Not a spoiler, it's the first thing you learn when the movie starts) this character that sees beauty in death walks up to Spacey who died with a smile on his face, because he was looking at a photo of his family before he got killed, and he stares at him for a few seconds and smiles and then walks away because he sees the beauty in the expression on Spacey's face at thinking about his family and what they mean to him right as he died.

This is the problem with Jhin, the people that worked on those teasers either misunderstood what Jhin is supposed to be about or they thought the people that play this game aren't capable of understanding complex subjects. Instead of all of those pretty visuals with trees and glass and butterflies, they should have instead had teasers of different people dying, two lovers embracing each other on a park bench, a painter dead with a smile on his face before his greatest portrait, a man that fought against chains and had just broken free, only to be cut down.

They should have emphasized that Jhin is someone that sees beauty in death, not someone that makes fireworks from the corpses of people. Think of him as being like Aatrox, Aatrox sees battles as beautiful, he calls them his masterpieces, Jhin is the same except he sees a masterpiece in the death of someone.

87 Comments

Sylveon66 votes

I don't really think the advertisers did a bad job at showing what Jhin is all about. The teaser images and the video show artistic pieces, trees, flowers, smoke, butterflies, crystals, light. But all these things have been used as a metaphor, if you will. It shows us what Jhin sees when he kills. The beauty he sees when someone dies by his hand. A tree growing out of his target, light beaming, flaming roses scattering to the wind, its all in his mind, and we are shown all this through his eyes. In fact, the guys at Riot did a great job at making and advertising him, its just that everyone has a different view of things, that's all :P

GreenLore13 votes

{quoted} its just that everyone has a different view of things, that's all :P

So you could almost say,that art lies in the eye of the beholder Velkoz

Spizzle90008 votes

Or, one might say, the unseen art is the deadliest? Zed

666zodiarch6662 votes

but if you cant see art... it isnt there, right, or atleast, you dont know if it IS art or isnt? shrödingers cat anyone? Heimerdinger , januari 28th 2016

Spizzle90001 votes

3spooky5me

Noam Braumsky8 votes

{quoted}

I don't really think the advertisers did a bad job at showing what Jhin is all about. The teaser images and the video show artistic pieces, trees, flowers, smoke, butterflies, crystals, light. But all these things have been used as a metaphor, if you will. It shows us what Jhin sees when he kills. The beauty he sees when someone dies by his hand. A tree growing out of his target, light beaming, flaming roses scattering to the wind, its all in his mind, and we are shown all this through his eyes. In fact, the guys at Riot did a great job at making and advertising him, its just that everyone has a different view of things, that's all :P

I think saying "these are the things Jhin sees when he kills someone" misses the point of what beauty is. I think rain is beautiful. Most people (what what I've observed) would consider a bright sunny day more beautiful. I don't "see the sunshine" in the rain; it's the rain itself and the distinct properties and emotions it provokes that make me think it's beautiful.

That's where the disconnect seems to happen. I think Riot should have done it more in the style of the "meet the Pyro" video from TF2, with Jhin murdering others, but not being tense or with a cruel demeanor, but rather one of almost tenderness, perhaps while seeing the terror in the eyes of those knowing they face their certain death. I have a hard time believing nobody at Riot who worked on the previews and such would have had no idea how to create a trailer that communicates that Jhin finds beauty in death. It would have to be much more character-focused than the one actually made, but it's definitely feasible.

It's possible Jhin actually does see these things but from what I've seen it looks like Riot has conveyed fairly well that Jhin is deliberate in what he does, and not being aware that the the painting or sculpture an artist has created is actually just a misformed stone or another type of object entirely doesn't seem possible.

Sylveon2 votes

I'll just expand a bit on that "these are the things Jhin sees when he kills someone". We weren't shown Jhin killing others with graceful movements or an expression of joy or serenity because we were put in his perspective in first person, not third person. In the end of the video teaser you can clearly hear him panting in excitement, seeing his work and enjoying it. He sees beauty in death, in a perfectly made kill, in the final moments of his prey's lives, something, for instance, I would not be able to see. I would only see pain and sorrow, and it only matters to him that he sees the beauty. And i believe the point isn't that his artwork should be seen by all, he creates it only for himself. So far, there isn't anything leading me to believe he is making others "perfect" for the sake of anyone but himself. Perhaps he wants to make others have the same view he does, but, only time will tell, i suppose! -Side note, i love the rain too :D

Decrit3 votes

Totally agree. The teaser looked anything but realistic, it was meant from visuals to sound to be a metaphor.

Serevas21 votes

Apparently there's a problem where an extra piece of his passive didn't make it into the press release.

I assume it's real as it came from gypsylord.

Beauty in Death - Killing blows spawn a blooming flower on the corpse that reveals and slows enemies nearby before detonating for damage.

WhatAGeinius3 votes

Oh my god, you mean that his passive is actually LONGER than the abomination they've already put out?

Big Lincoln7 votes

it's on his E

SpecterVonBaren7 votes

As much as I think his passive is incredibly janky as it is, I wouldn't really call it an abomination compared to... others... like a certain bunny hopping creature...

Serevas3 votes

Fuck. That. Champion.

Hyrum Graff2 votes

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As much as I think his passive is incredibly janky as it is, I wouldn't really call it an abomination compared to... others... like a certain bunny hopping creature...

Riven ? /s

Rito Staff2 votes

Kalista (no problems with her on my behalf though)

Hyrum Graff1 votes

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Kalista (no problems with her on my behalf though)

I'm aware, hence the /s...

ComannderShepard1 votes

{quoted}

Apparently there's a problem where an extra piece of his passive didn't make it into the press release.

I assume it's real as it came from gypsylord.

omg that sounds awesome, especially after all those teasers with the flowers. Is this not the passive going to live?

Serevas1 votes

Nah it is, in fact it's on the PBE, it just didn't make it into the champion article.

charcharmunro12 votes

For some reason when I saw the title I was expecting somebody defending Jhin in a "JHIN DID NOTHING WRONG" kinda way.

SpecterVonBaren17 votes

I'm totally up for recording myself screaming, "LEAVE JHIN ALONE!" and posting it on soundcloud or something.

SrirachaLimes9 votes

I think this can be seen in Jhin's movements. Have you seen what he looks like before he casts an ability or his passive procs? He makes very theatrical movements. He really does consider it an art.

Add this to the fact that the passive on his E makes flowers blossom on the dead and his W creates a rose petal that falls to the ground, and I think the idea of a person who finds beauty in death quite convincing.

Odyssey852 votes

{quoted}

I think this can be seen in Jhin's movements. Have you seen what he looks like before he casts an ability or his passive procs? He makes very theatrical movements. He really does consider it an art.

Add this to the fact that the passive on his E makes flowers blossom on the dead and his W creates a rose petal that falls to the ground, and I think the idea of a person who finds beauty in death quite convincing.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed this. His motions for his W was very deliberate, like he was putting on a grand show, and to me his motions for his other moves are slight, but I guess that depends on the perspective. Along with that, his quote when he ults, "Now, for the finale," perfectly captures his mindset (I also loved his animations, very visually pleasing and seems Jhin-like, so fight me)

SrirachaLimes1 votes

You're completely right. I forgot about his quote when he ults.

Really sells the idea :)

IxtaliKing6 votes

I just came here to say Jhin imo has the most appealing and attractive markman kit in the game. Fxck the haters.

Spizzle90004 votes

I like Jhin. He is a tad like Vladimir and views his murders as art. I don't see why people don't get that. The teaser was clearly supposed to be from the mind of Jhin, which is twisted and perverse. I love it.

Honestly though, the kit seems like it will probably be harder than any champion released in the past year. I am pretty hyped though.

Fanny Forecast4 votes

coughs the one girl and her dad from Psycho Pass.

BlunterMonk2 votes

I was thinking that from the very beginning of the teasers.

Dreamspitter1 votes

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coughs the one girl and her dad from Psycho Pass.

Which character was that?

Fanny Forecast1 votes

i dont know, it was the one school girl who killed people and made art from her bodies. my fiance was watching (psycho pass is too graphic for me) and i tuned in at that part.

BLU Medic4 votes

I think the trailers did a great job of explaining what Jhin is supposed to be, but his abilities don't really show that that well (apart from death flower passive thing). This can so easily be fixed with something like Pyrovision - what the person playing Jhin sees is beautiful, what everyone else sees is horrific.

Shrîke4 votes

Maybe because he's a psycho path and that's what he sees? The teaser literally says 'Mind of the Virtuoso'. People need to stop being so ignorant and look at things another way. I think riot hit the mark with great story telling elements in the cinematic teaser. And PSA: he isn't even on the PBE, yet people are crying all over the boards which is hilarious.

ZGM Dazzling3 votes

What your talking about sounds more like Karthus to me then what Jhin was supposed to be.

On a side not, I think Mind of the Virtuoso was fine because it was just trying to depict how Jihn saw all the death as "beauty" by showing US beauty because we wouldn't normally see those deaths as beautiful the way he would.

SpecterVonBaren5 votes

I think the difference is that Karthus sees death as an escape from an inferior state of existence, death has no disease or pain and after death the, to him, true life begins. Jhin sees the act of killing and the moment of death as being beautiful, a person's life is just a canvas for him to paint on.

Mecha KhaZix3 votes

The art is obviously in how you play him (i.e. how you kill people).

People don't get this, apparently.

TonyTonyMordecai3 votes

Good job explaining this! I enjoyed reading it

Caffeint3 votes

I think we actually really wanted a kit which reflects his personality more. His kit seems pretty plain and simple considering how much effort Riot had put into the teasers. And I think it might also mostly be because of how high expectations everyone had of him and the hype surrounding him lately.

Jhin UItd JFK2 votes

yes

Lithium Rosa2 votes

I like Jhin's personality or background, I love that kind of , let's say, twisted virtuoso, that fits me perfectly. But I hate his skill kit, I agree that there is no art in it, and has nothing to do with Virtuoso.

SpecterVonBaren7 votes

Honestly, I felt the same way but upon reflection, the only thing about his kit that really bugs me is his Q. Everything else in his kit is designed around him making his attacks count and requiring some set up and preparation, but his Q is just a Katarina Q that'll deal more damage if it kills something with the first hit.

LordForrest2 votes

The way i see it, his q exists completely to aid him in surviving laning phase. Is the skill itself bad? No, i actually kind of like the skill itself, but in relation to the rest of his kit, it doesn't fit. Is there something better they could have done? Maybe, but they probably felt that he needed one skill that was pretty straightforward (in comparison to the rest of his kit) and the fact that it makes his laning phase more bearable was probably a plus.

SwoIedemort2 votes

league is amazing c: summoner 31

CitadelOfIce1 votes

He's just a Kindred cultist. Thats all he is. I know they are going to write some big epic trying to make him either spooky or tragic, but damn it all if they just made one freaked out mamajama. I was disappointed in the kit, not going to lie. After Illa, Kin, and Tom, they really dropped the ball on interesting kit concepts.

Dreamspitter1 votes

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He's just a Kindred cultist. Thats all he is. I know they are going to write some big epic trying to make him either spooky or tragic, but damn it all if they just made one freaked out mamajama. I was disappointed in the kit, not going to lie. After Illa, Kin, and Tom, they really dropped the ball on interesting kit concepts.

No, no , no. Karthus -officially speaking, was a Kindred cultist. But I feel Jhin from his interactions with Illaoi doesnt believe in God(s). Though if I had to place him in any fictional religion...it would actually be as a cultist of Slaanesh (Warhammer 40,000). Especially when you consider his pursuit of:

  • Art, Theater, Music, and Murder
  • Beauty ( "Beauty can't be Evil")
  • Pleasure & Sensuality ("Mmm-the ecstasy of opening night/the ecstasy of killing", "I cant LIVE without the euphoria of performance", "I am a slave to this passion", "Sublime!", "Fabulous!")
  • Seeking Perfection and beyond ("I cant be good, I must be perfect. /No -Perfection is not enough!")
  • Vainglory & Obsession

This is all very Slaaneshi behavior. You could transplant him into the 40k universe, and it wouldnt be strange or out of place in the slightest.

http://i.imgur.com/QYWYIHD.jpg

It absolutely fits in with Slaanesh, as much as Aatrox or Sion does with Khorne. I feel Illaoi resonates a bit too with Slaanesh, with amoral pursuit of desires and and destruction of whatever displeases her ("If I want something -I take it. If I hate something- I destroy it."/ "Good? Evil? Why should we care for such things?") I feel she would say that Jhin is "in motion", but she would chastise him for finding pleasure only in murder when there is so much more. She tells Darius that he is in motion - but "Now you must only find joy in motion". Darius is a brutal warrior, but he's too grim and doesnt take pleasure in what he does and what he conquers.

Outside of this, you can also compare him to Sander Cohen (Bioshock) or Mark Jefferson (Life is Strange)

Seekêr1 votes

They left a passive out in the ability teaser. Gypsylord chimed in and said he has a passive that whenever he kills an enemy, they spawn flowers that explode after a few seconds.

Zedex1 votes

Seems rushed and unfinished. I hope he gets a real passive.

Lumen Sage1 votes

That is not his passive, his passive is Whisper which is what gives him his 4 shot mechanic with a 100% crit on the final shot. He also converts attack speed and crit chance into more attack damage instead of the usual benefits.

It is the passive on his E. The champions he kills spawns flowers similar to the traps he leaves.

Owatatsumi Kami1 votes

How unique he will be will depends a whole lot on how his passive actually plays out in game. On paper he seems like a modified Caitlyn. Kind of disappointing in all honesty but we'll see. His visuals are kind of meh. I like where they were going but I feel they could've gone farther.

dEAdbUs1 votes

Teaser was quite and wonderful, it was like everybody died while they were sleeping and they didn't feel bullets. His gameplay is different - it's full of loud guns and grenades, who could image that guy from teaser could use grenades?

I understood that "flowers and trees" is metaphoric, but guy from teaser is not the guy from splash/gameplay. And those Zed, Sona, Vi and Garen teasers? That was epic, but still meant nothing!

Mr Vulcanator1 votes

His problem is he's got weird cyborg limbs and a poncho for some reason.

Regey111 votes

So what your saying is New BroTP? Aatrox + Jhin

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