Will we ever explore the aquatic side of League?

Chromatic Eagle·Sep 4, 2016·48 votes·8,348 views

We have a few water based champions, but what goes on beneath the sea is a mystery. Perhaps that's intentional, but I'd love to see what crazy creatures live in the deeper parts of the ocean.

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Legacy HydralphaSep 4, 201636 votes

Rito Games: We heard you guys wanted aquatic champs.

So Ocean Drake is a champ now.

AzureLobsterSep 5, 20169 votes

I read that as Ocean Draven for some reason

dragon1xxSep 5, 201634 votes

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjHBe9FG25sGar6g/giphy.gif you want more champs like fizz? New champ:

SlntReaperSep 5, 201617 votes

http://imgur.com/a2fdh3N

IEatLouisSep 5, 20162 votes

I laugh... ... ... So hard... xD

TrolosaurusSep 5, 201615 votes

To review Fizz Lore conflicts with canon. Was not part of Bilgewater update despite being an established part of it. Nautilus Lore conflicts with canon. Same as above. Nami Lore hasn't been touched since 2012 and since she wasn't part of either the Bilgewater or Targon updates despite having implied connection to the Lunari so....

Rito plz.

MavenSongSep 5, 20161 votes

{quoted} Lore hasn't been touched since 2012 and since she wasn't part of either the Bilgewater or Targon updates despite having implied connection to the Lunari so....

I really dont think Lunari had anything to do with moonstones despite the name. A moonstone is needed every 100 years but the Lunari were missing long before.

The Last BalladSep 6, 20161 votes

How long before? Because to a human, a century is quite the long time...

MavenSongSep 6, 20161 votes

Its not specified but it has to be a while for them to have been forgotten. Something like a society isnt really forgotten over a couple generations.

DecritSep 5, 20163 votes

I think nami just does not give a fuck of anything and does her thing.

TurquoiseYoshiSep 5, 201612 votes

She went to Kanto to find her moon stone.

THE RlVER KlNGSep 5, 201614 votes

TahmKench wouldnt't be surprised if it's just this fucker singing 'Under the Sea' with Fizz 24/7

theArtifactsSep 5, 20163 votes

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wouldnt't be surprised if it's just this fucker singing 'Under the Sea' with Fizz 24/7

And Crabgot ofcourse

Insanity SongSep 4, 201613 votes

Nautilus I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS POOR SMUCK

SharjoSep 4, 20166 votes

Yes please. There's so much potential in underwater themes, and given the culture already in place around Bilgewater and the Serpent Isles, as well as the creatures we already know inhabit Runterra's seas and oceans, it's basically right there for the taking. Come on Riot let's delve back in to the depths again!

AeszarckSep 5, 20164 votes

We have this thing.

Jhin UItd JFKSep 5, 20162 votes

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We have this thing.

Nagakabourous is already "embodied" through Illaoi 's vessel that she hauls around. So it technically is a champion, just through another champion :P

RiotBioluminescenceSep 5, 201610 votes

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Nagakabourous is already "embodied" through 's vessel that she hauls around. So it technically is a champion, just through another champion :P

I don't believe that's Nagakabourous, though. It's a piece of concept art that turns up in the "Building Bilgewater" article with the following annotation:

Bilgewater has a thriving industry built around hunting sea monsters. Fleets leave port at sunset each night, seeking these mighty beasts. If successful, they return to the Slaughter-Docks to render the once-great creatures down to meat, bones and armored hide.

So, that's not a god - that's what's for dinner! (And for trousers and hats, and medicine, and lubricant, and armor plating, and building materials, and anything else they can think of!)

######(Standard Bioluminescence disclaimer - I'm not part of the Narrative discipline, however, from my name you might guess that I do love some underwater stuffs myself. I may have also put some thought into Runeterran ocean floor topography in the past. Not sure if it'll go anywhere though.)

Duke AnaxSep 5, 20162 votes

As I understood it, the hunters would be really surprised to find a monster quite like that.

I saw somewhere that that is a depiction of what people in Bilgewater generally think the Bearded lady looks like.

If they thik that is a God, I doubt the ones they regularly catch are quite near that size.

I guess most of them are closer to ship sizes, so they can atually be hauled back, whith the ocational one being a bit larger, like that Wyrm Olaf fought.

RiotBioluminescenceSep 5, 20162 votes

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As I understood it, the hunters would be really surprised to find a monster quite like that.

I saw somewhere that that is a depiction of what people in Bilgewater generally think the Bearded lady looks like.

If they thik that is a God, I doubt the ones they regularly catch are quite near that size.

I guess most of them are closer to ship sizes, so they can atually be hauled back, whith the ocational one being a bit larger, like that Wyrm Olaf fought.

All I have to go off is the background from Burning Tides: http://i.imgur.com/WqpQlJq.jpg

You can see the carcasses of a few sea creatures already hacked up. There's one dude in the picture background to help us with scale, but maybe more useful is the pair of longboats further towards the back. That hanging carcass looks at least 6.5 longboats long.

Longboats are around 25ft long (7.6m) so that'd make that particular critter around 162ft (50m). I'm going to guess that's a pretty normal size for a catch round there, seeing as the cranes and ramps look easily capable of handing a fish that big.

As for the bearded monster in the original image... uh that looks like a brig to me? They're pretty big. Pretty sure that's not a toy boat that you play with in the bath.

Chromatic EagleSep 5, 20161 votes

How big is Baron Nashor?

AeszarckSep 5, 20161 votes

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How big is Baron Nashor?

I'd guess he'd probably be on the same scale as Cho'Gath and Rek'Sai, probably bigger. (A Cho'Gath and a quarter maybe.)

Chromatic EagleSep 5, 20161 votes

How big is Cho'Gath? I think Rek'Sai was said to be as big as a house.

AeszarckSep 5, 20161 votes

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How big is Cho'Gath? I think Rek'Sai was said to be as big as a house.

According to this user-made chart based on estimations, he's 16 meters tall when he's full.

The Last BalladSep 6, 20161 votes

He is that big now... But you'll have to measure him after every meal...

AeszarckSep 6, 20161 votes

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He is that big now... But you'll have to measure him after every meal...

The chart says he's 6 meters normally, so he probably poops after he gets to 16 meters.

Duke AnaxSep 5, 20162 votes

Fit's whith what I thought, 50 meter is a fair size for a vessel of that setting, a large Brig or average Galleon (the Black Pearl for example is almost 60m).

There are some creatures that seem a bit larger than the hanging one, but overall "about ship sized" seems right.

Now for the "Bearded Lady", measuring curves is a bit finicky, but I say it's at least 50 of that ship's lengths. Even if we take that for a smaller Brig (30m) we are looking at a creatures that measures at least a mile, possibly two.

BloodyTomponSep 5, 20161 votes

The thing that most concerns me about that is there are no other fishies. The sea is more barren than my literary (not literally) womb!

RiotBioluminescenceSep 5, 20164 votes

Well, it's not much (and you could argue they're reptiles, rodents, crustaceans, and cephalopods - not fishies) but there are the ironbacks, razorfins, (whatever-is-the-base-creature-of-the-)plundercrabs, and ocklepods from Black Market Brawlers.
Personally, I loved the introduction of those little critters, but I agree it'd be neat to see more.

Hopefully without sounding too much like a scripted PR-bot, what sort of things were you thinking? Opening it up to the thread.

(I don't believe your 'literary womb' is as barren as you make out.)

VeraskaSep 5, 20161 votes

i'd love to see nami's people explored a bit more, i think i heard a red call them "marai" or something like that same with fizz for that matter

MeilinIISep 5, 20162 votes

according to her lore, they are the Marai, yes.

http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/nami/

rtbf225618241Sep 5, 20162 votes

Looks more like a sea-baron than a god.

MogarlSep 4, 20163 votes

We need a sea monster champion. No VO or sentience just gurgling/ocean sounds. A giant sea serpent could be cool but would probably end up looking too much like Aurelion. A giant crustacean would probably end up too much like Skarner or Reksai. A manta ray would be really cool, and is the one I think they should go with because it would be pretty visually distinct.

DavarrilSep 5, 20166 votes

Deep Sea Aurelion Sol

Xenos von FaneliSep 5, 20161 votes

I feel like maybe it's possible you also just really like mantas... Also have you considered amalgam sea monster

MogarlSep 5, 20161 votes

Well mantas are really cool, but there is a bit beyond that. Rek'sai is violent, territorial, and down-right mean. To set another non-sentient champion apart from her a "gentle giant" approach would be good. So barring making up a completely new creature (which runs the risk of being too alien) starting with a base of whale or manta ray. I would avoid most fish because I don't believe that the side to side motion of their tales would look good in game. The primary reason I thought of mantas is that compared to other sea creatures they would look non-offensive hovering above the ground.

So while you may combine other things into the ray form, or change the details of it to make it more magical. I think that keeping the flattened form is what would look best in game.

Tyto MorsSep 6, 20161 votes

things deep in our oceans look alien to us, far what we are used to, a god-like creature in the depths of runeterra would definitely be open to looking "alien". and for a new sea based champion, i think a turtle would work for a tank. currently nami is the only sea champion without feet that, and she seems to just float on mist.

MogarlSep 6, 20161 votes

Oh shit I forgot about turtles. I have no idea how they slipped my mind but a sea turtle could also look really cool. The reason I look talk about using a familiar creature as a base is mostly because of the second page of monsters in the art book. Where they mention that everything looked like void babies. If you don't want it to be confused with creatures from the void it's important that it looks "natural" in some way.

But yeah a giant turtle would be a totally viable source of inspiration.

Tyto MorsSep 7, 20161 votes

i can see what you mean about the monsters looking alien and from the void, and that should probably be avoided, unless its a creature that came from the black water that Nautilus feel in. that would be nice and maybe even add some back story to the black water.

but for the turtle, i mean its probably just my lack of creativity, but im having trouble at the moment picturing anything that doesnt deal with "big ass turtle that is basically carrying an island on its back" but im still thinking of the god-like aspect of things. and something smaller, say no bigger then a lvl 16 4 stack cho is even harder to think of a way to smoothly incorporate it into the game.

but back to the god-like aspect again, its hard to think of something that would fit the game, AurelionSol is suppose to be fucking massive at least from his lore that his what you come to understand, but in game he's quite small. i would imagine that a god-like creature even if its from the sea, would end up the same, so trying to think of a creature that would fit the script would be hard, i imagine even hard for riot to do properly.

MogarlSep 7, 20161 votes

But what if Riot has already tried making a Manta Ray champion. Hmm? http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/841/1355/original.jpg http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/841/1898/original.jpg HMMMMMMM?

Going to be honest most of my manta ray related thoughts came from these. I think that there is a fair chance that Riot has tried to make one of a sort and it was ice-boxed.

Tbh the only bit about what it looks like that really matters is that it has a unique silhouette. This rules out most serpents, cephalopods, or crustaceans. I'm not saying Riot couldn't make one just that it's unlikely do to loss of distinction.

Tyto MorsSep 7, 20161 votes

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But what if Riot has already tried making a Manta Ray champion. Hmm? http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/841/1355/original.jpg http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/841/1898/original.jpg HMMMMMMM?

Going to be honest most of my manta ray related thoughts came from these. I think that there is a fair chance that Riot has tried to make one of a sort and it was ice-boxed.

Tbh the only bit about what it looks like that really matters is that it has a unique silhouette. This rules out most serpents, cephalopods, or crustaceans. I'm not saying Riot couldn't make one just that it's unlikely do to loss of distinction.

you got me there, but i would thing this would be an airborne creature, then again it doesnt look like it has any feet so maybe. it would be weird though because that creature looks like its flying above the rest. would have to be some magical as fuck manta ray to be able to fly (or a pokemon).

MogarlSep 7, 20161 votes

I would assume that any Champion native to the sea, whether it is a god or a fish. Will likely float on Summoner's Rift. So any non-humanoid champion that comes from the sea, manta ray or not, I would bet that it will get a skin that makes it out to be flying. On other note it's likely that any great sea leviathan/god will be magical as fuck, otherwise what makes it special compared to all the sea beasts that Bilgewater drags in every day.

Tyto MorsSep 8, 20162 votes

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I would assume that any Champion native to the sea, whether it is a god or a fish. Will likely float on Summoner's Rift. So any non-humanoid champion that comes from the sea, manta ray or not, I would bet that it will get a skin that makes it out to be flying. On other note it's likely that any great sea leviathan/god will be magical as fuck, otherwise what makes it special compared to all the sea beasts that Bilgewater drags in every day.

first off, i love your wording, "likely that any great sea leviathan/god will be magical as fuck", just perfect. but to add something, it would be n'th times bigger then anything bilgewater has every pulled in, and then it would be magical. then league will shrink it like they did aurelion.

Xenos von FaneliSep 6, 20161 votes

A big problem I see right off the bat would be animating its turning to look natural, as they faced with Aurelion, only he could bend Mantas can't, so logistically it'd be a bit weird

MogarlSep 6, 20161 votes

You don't have the same problem with Cho'gath, Elise, or Zac turning (just to name a few largeish champions). Aurelion had special problems because of his long tail, but by going with a turtle/Manta base the tale is a very small portion of the body mass. Whereas half of Aurelion's body is tail, and so he had special needs. You'd have more problems going with a serpent, shark, or porpoise. Although a serpent you could potentially swipe the movement from Aurelion, but at that point you might as well do a 1350 or legendary deep sea Aurelion skin.

Xenos von FaneliSep 8, 20161 votes

it's not the tail that was the problem it was the large model, a manta type champ would likely be very large and flat, Elise and Zac aren't even that big and Cho only is when stacked at which point he looks weird, the big problem really comes from the fact that in game turning is more just instantly facing a direction, on a top down human it doesn't look weird, but make a larger flatter model and it starts to

MogarlSep 8, 20161 votes

That's a fair point, lack of turn speed makes some things more difficult. A ray form creature does a 180 turn instantly and people start asking questions.

If you look above you'll see some pictures I posted of a ray form entity popping up a few times. Possibly a champ concept that got ice boxed for similar reasons you stated.

Mystic DelibirdSep 5, 20163 votes

well we had some new underwater lore not too long ago Nautilus "Ekko's from the deep." -secrets now revealed Ekko -

KyrrionSep 5, 20163 votes

Water/aquatic themed Marksman plz. Full ocean team needed.

Teh SongSep 5, 20162 votes

I'm just waiting for the day Riot just goes "Eh, lets add another continent on the other side of the planet."

After all, none of the map images I've seen go all the way around, and those seas do have different names. They could just tell us nobody had ever sailed out far enough to find the other land.

And whether they have somebody from that land pop up on Valoran or have someone from Valoran discover it, they could make a big event out of it, like when they originally brought in ascension and Shurima lore.

Actually you know what I hope they do it because adding a new land would allow them more freedom of creativity, in that they could make up new species or what have you without having to fit it into what's already in Valoran.