Let's discuss updating the lores of some other Noxians
What directions would you like to see Talon, Katarina, and Draven go?
What directions would you like to see Talon, Katarina, and Draven go?
: I want Talon, along with Katarina and Cassiopeia, to investigate the disappearance of General du Couteau and learn of covert plans to undermine Swain and the Black Rose. This would lead to the du Coueau family being targeted by Black Rose assassins and the beginning of a game of shadows between the Noxian champs.
: Kat's actually has a day job, so would be spending a lot of her time away from Noxus performing assassination missions. I look forward to her meeting Garen, because unlike some of the old-lore pairings (looking at you Ezreal) I think there is a lot of story potential for how these two characters would interact with each other.
I also have headcanon that Kat once infiltrated the Order of Shadows, to gather intelligence in preparation for the Ionian invasion. While undercover, she perfected her assassin skills training under Zed and Akali. Not sure if this is actually possibly with the lore timeline though.
: I want Draven to absolutely not care about anything at all, besides his own reputation. Lots of champs have complex stories, and I think it's important that there are a few simpler characters. Draven didn't need a secret agenda or a complicated motive to become a fan favourite character, so while it would be good to have more Draven lore, his story doesn't need to change much from what is already there.
Personally I think we can dive deeper into Draven to explain why he's such Or glory hound or hint at it, but Draven is a character that can work without that imo because he's an enjoyable asshole.
What do speculate is the reason for his behaviour? His older brother is a legendary veteran in the Noxian military, so Draven would never be able to step out of Darius' shadow if he joined the military. Thus he seeks to form a reputation in something unique to himself, namely flashy executions. That seems like the obvious reason.
Obviously. I want them to officially dive into that.
Yeah, Draven's story should heavily show / resolve around relationship between Draven and Radius. There are a lot of competition and other stuff there. And will really help explore Draven's character.
P.s. Maybe we will wait for League's version of CleganeBowl?
The Cleganes hate each other to the core. I hope the Blood Brothers stay a bit more friendly than that. Let's just keep it at sibling rivalry instead of wrathful fratricide.
Agreed. CleganeBowl is more of super fantasy. But in terms of relations I think Blood Brothers are not far away from Hound and his Brother.
I simply have to disagree with you here. Gregor Clegane is a complete psychopath who burnt his brother's face off when he was about ten years old. Darius might be cold and harsh, but he's not mindlessly cruel like that. Sandor Clegane's most heartfelt desire in life is kill his older brother. Draven might be desperate to step out of Darius' shadow, but I see no reason for him to hate him this much.
It could explain why Katarina's dash is called Shunpo instead of some other edgy Noxian name like "Noxian Diplomacy"
If Riot gives a hint at Katarina's and Garen's relationship (which they might not. They didn't for Garen) then I'd like to see what she sees in him. I feel we mainly get his perspective.
I think it's a question of when, not . The writers probably want Katarina's full bio to be out, and for her to stand as fleshed-out character in her own right, before we see these two meet.
Personally I wouldn't mind if there is no longer a romantic element to their relationship. That's boring and clichéd. There's enough narrative potential in how each character's world-view influences and challenges the other. Some great, intelligent, stories can revolve around Katarina and Garen and I think turning their relationship into a regular story of star-crossed lovers would be a wasted opportunity.
Though judging by Tahm and Illaoi's interactions, Riot seems determined for a romantic route.
And Maokai's. And Jhin's. And Lux's. It's basically a meme at this point. Romance is probably inevitable, but I'm hoping it more complex and mature than "they saw each other and fell in love".
I think it's more of "I like this guy who bested me" which is more interesting than just lovers from other sides.
Like Garen could ever actually best Kat in a fight. Katarina wouldn't become involved with a sworn enemy of Noxus just because he's adept with his giant sword.
I think that's the idea - though they uses different styles of fighting on the battlefield their power exactly the same. And that's why both characters feel like other had bested them.
Draven and Kata have plenty of personality and fans among the Riot team, so I'm sure their stories will be good.
Talon, on the other hand, is little more than the original edgelord/"Definitely Not Ezio" and I hope his character is explored further.
Talon's past more fleshed out and described. Was he just an orphan or maybe he ran away from home or maybe he has a family but likes killing people more so he only visits on Christmas and pays taxes or something. His relationship with Katarina, Cassiopeia, General Du Couteau and mostly Quinn. I want to learn more about General Du Couteau although I hope it doesn't encompass too much of Talon's stories unless Du Couteau is really important to Talon.
Also want to see more of Katarina's and Cassiopeia's childhood and how General Du Couteau was with them. It is weird how both Katarina's and Cassiopeia's stories don't mention the disappearance with General Du Couteau (I'm thinking this is just because no one wrote about it cause Rito stories was really bad back than) so I hope Riot really fills us in on what is happening.
Katarina herself seems like a pretty patriotic Noxian and likes Noxus and stuff due to her voice lines so I imagine with a lore update she will still be all Noxian. So I imagine she'll mostly be in the military and stuff like Darius and living up to her family name with her stabbing skills.
Quinn is my main but I took Talon as a second because I just like Quinn so much. I know pretty much everything about Quinn as I do know Talon and am very interested in his own stories. Mostly I just want to see what their relationship is about. If it's romantic I really don't care too much but it would be a thing I guess but not really and kinda weird and kinda lame. Because the sibling theory got kicked out I'm just waiting forever for reasons to why they're related.
As for Draven, Draaaaaaven. I see him as still a narcissicist and possible extremely popular with the higher class of Noxus because he is high class to himself. I think this would create an interesting dynamic with Darius because he doesn't like that. Draven would not defend his high class amigos if he had them (cause he is really only about himself) but if Darius imposed on his life style I'm not too sure. However I think there's a deep bond between the two because Darius was Draven's guardian for a long time. I don't remember when Darius went into military but yeah. It'd be interesting if Draven ended up being a sort of model for Noxus military like Kled except he is mostly all fabulous and stuff.
I think Quinn and Talon are not even know about each other. Or they know only like "I know that X is professional in what they did . Why would there be something romantical? One is city boy and other is wild woodland scout.
You just listed a romance trope xD City meets Country lololol
But it's pretty bad trope. Why create romance on basis of different values and environments of champions? It's really weak basis.
I don't see any way why they could meet in a first place. And moreover, for romance between characters there needed to be same goals or values which Talon and Quinn have none. And they also needed to be time spent together - which is not a possibility for Q and T.
Oh, I have a lot wishes, which won't get fullfilled 'cause I'm a hypocrite.
The most important thing - I really need more Black Rose lore. Honest, I really wish that the BR is incredible big and inscrutable and basically controls all Noxus. It should be an underground organisation who has his spies and members all over Runeterra. Tbh, I have the headcanon, that the Black Rose shows big interest about the Order of Shadow.
An organisation who use leaders and states as chess pieces and has access to more black magic and important information than it should be even possible.
LeBlanc and Vladimir have heavy ties with the Black Rose, but I'm also curious about Swain releationship with them.
For Swain I wish to read about a master mind, who can turn every battle to his favor. Also, I NEED to know which kind of releationship he has with LeBlanc. I don't care if they are lovers, rivals and temporal allies, I have high hopes and expectations about their dynamic. For me, this both are the most important for the Noxus Update.
For Darius I hope they don't make him just Swain puppet, but that he is still a person who stands for the true Noxian ideal. Darius shouldn't be interested in power for himself, so he has no interest to rule Noxus. He helps Swain to take control over Noxus, 'cause he really believes he's the best man for the job. However, I could imagine he isn't happy with all things that Swain is doing...
For Katarina, Cassiopeia & Talon I really need more information about their family and most important General Du Couteau. Also, please, keep the Katarina/Garen romance as far as possible from me. It is just an awful ship. Talon's loyality should also only belong to the Du Couteau, not Noxus. Personally, I would enjoy if he is color text had some interaction with Quinn, however this won't happen and this is probably better anyway.
I don't care about Draven, I hate narcist, so no ideas that they can do with him.