About the creation of Worlds....

Bultz·Jun 21, 2017·3 votes·452 views

So created the stars in the games lore, which in turn gave birth to planets and the life on those planets. All of that from the cosmic dust of the stars. Now we know created them and as far as we know there is nothing else in the universe except planets and stars. So what did the "gods" that riot mentions actually do? Kind of seems like there isn't much for them to do. They are also mentioned to be stronger than Sol, but without feats or any standards of them having done much, it seems like they have no ground to stand on when claimed to be stronger. I mean whats more powerful, stealing souls or filling the entire universe with stars.....

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SharjoJun 21, 20172 votes

Well who are the "gods" that are so described? Nagakabouros? Because if you believe Illaoi's interpretation than Aurelion Sol falls in to her influence since he exists just like everything else, and Nagakabouros is all in that way of thinking.

BultzJun 21, 20171 votes

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Well who are the "gods" that are so described? Nagakabouros? Because if you believe Illaoi's interpretation than Aurelion Sol falls in to her influence since he exists just like everything else, and Nagakabouros is all in that way of thinking.

Yeah, but what have they actually done? Or to say, what can they actually do at this point? Since only Islanders worship Nagakabouros and there are probably many other beings out there being worshiped throughout the land, what power are they all suppose to have if Sol actually sort of did everything. As for Illaoi's belief, thats just that, hers and her peoples. Others don't even know of Nagakabouros and have their own "gods". With all that said, what have they actually done? They didn't create anything, they don't seem to bring anything to the table.

RalanrJun 21, 20172 votes

Short answer: we don't know, gods in the setting haven't been explored.

Longer answer: what even are gods and what aren't are confusing. What people on Runeterra might call gods can end up not actually being gods.

Take Janna for instance. You wouldn't think she's a god, but her lore heavily points to the concept that she's a god created by prayer (born from the prayers of thousands of people at once). But she also interacts more then some gods in fiction do, so she's more of this big guardian spirit. But it wouldn't be surprising if she was worshipped by some as a god (in fact she was and potentially still is).

Then we have the religion of the Grey Lady in Zaun. We don't actually know if the Grey Lady is real or is just an idol, but she has he own church in Zaun.

Then there is Kindred. Kindred may not actually be a god, but the way people talk about them sure makes them seem as revered as a god. Kindred also exists across numerous cultures through the similarities of wolf and lamb, though this could be a result of raiding cultures spreading their religion. Kindred was "born" upon the corruption of the blessed isles when the sacred waters were corrupted though, but they talk as if they always existed (and being Runeterra's death, they have).

Gods off the planet? We don't know. Closest we get are the three celestial beings we know about, Sol, Bard (and Kindred but they are Runeterran), and Illaoi's god. Sol is not a god as confirmed by Riot, and Bard is basically a balance keeper. Nakageboros is the only being whose power hasn't really been fully fleshed out, which is probably intentional because gods seem a lot less divine when you show their limits.

PsyrixJun 21, 20171 votes

Kindred was "born" upon the corruption of the blessed isles when the sacred waters were corrupted though,

where are u getting this from?

RalanrJun 21, 20171 votes

Speculation from their voice lines around items like Bork and some stuff I'm trying to remember from their reveal.

SharjoJun 21, 20172 votes

Kindred's WAY earlier than the Shadow Isles. The earliest recordings of Kindred are literally as old as human history.

RalanrJun 21, 20171 votes

Ok. I thought that Kindred was brought to reality during the corruption?

SharjoJun 21, 20172 votes

Kindred doesn't really have a physical constitution. Their forms are basically how Runeterrans see them if they ever did encounter them. They are there, but they don't walk the world like true physical beings.

PsyrixJun 21, 20171 votes

Oh no, haha. Those lines are just due to the fact that Kindred lost their sway on the Shadow Isles denizens when it became the Shadow Isles. basically everything from there is undead. xD Kindred is salty.

zaire90Jun 24, 20171 votes

I thought the grey lady was camille?

RalanrJun 24, 20171 votes

I don't think that's who she really is, some people just call her that.

RalanrJun 21, 20172 votes

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I mean whats more powerful, stealing souls or filling the entire universe with stars.....

Actually a tough question when you don't know how powerful a soul actually is.

Regardless, if I was to argue the power difference between Illaoi's god and Sol, I'd say Sol is weaker, but not in the sense that he'd be easily defeated.

See we don't actually know what Illaoi's god can do. We know that it judges people that she tests, but that's what Illaoi does through it. One cleric does not define the limitations of a god, they are a tiny conduit of their power. This tiny conduit of power however can drag out souls, so what could the full thing do?

Also, it's most likely that life on Runeterra happened naturally rather than being created by a god. Especially since Vastaya are described as "evolving like humans, except instead of from the ocean, it was from the magic around them". So no great being actually has control over life.

What they have is control over energy. At least that's how I interpret Sol's taunt to Ryze about how writing butchers the art of magic. Powerful beings like Sol can manipulate raw energy to their will, which he uses to create stars.

Illaoi's god? Idk, we are never really shown the gods power, just their power through Illaoi. What we do know is that her god is a god and Sol (as confirmed by Riot) is not. So it's safe to assume her god is stronger.

BultzJun 21, 20171 votes

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Actually a tough question when you don't know how powerful a soul actually is.

Regardless, if I was to argue the power difference between Illaoi's god and Sol, I'd say Sol is weaker, but not in the sense that he'd be easily defeated.

See we don't actually know what Illaoi's god can do. We know that it judges people that she tests, but that's what Illaoi does through it. One cleric does not define the limitations of a god, they are a tiny conduit of their power. This tiny conduit of power however can drag out souls, so what could the full thing do?

Also, it's most likely that life on Runeterra happened naturally rather than being created by a god. Especially since Vastaya are described as "evolving like humans, except instead of from the ocean, it was from the magic around them". So no great being actually has control over life.

What they have is control over energy. At least that's how I interpret Sol's taunt to Ryze about how writing butchers the art of magic. Powerful beings like Sol can manipulate raw energy to their will, which he uses to create stars.

Illaoi's god? Idk, we are never really shown the gods power, just their power through Illaoi. What we do know is that her god is a god and Sol (as confirmed by Riot) is not. So it's safe to assume her god is stronger.

You changed your icon, I disapprove lol. My main point is that with Sol having basically done everything to form the universe, or space dragons idk if there are more, what have the "gods" actually done? Judging souls is probably affiliated with every "god" in runeterra. I mean if we have necromancers and people controlling the undead and not being "gods" it doesn't seem that valuable. Sol created the stars, which gave rise to planet, which gave rise to life, so really only Sol has even done anything. I don't see what anyone else could have done to further the formation or balance of everything when Sol did everything. Like what more is there to do?

RalanrJun 21, 20171 votes

I'd argue that creating stars I don't think is "basically creating everything". Rather that he laid out the ground work for things to happen.

You're right that Sol's stars did a lot.

As for what more is there? Well gods don't always need to be creators, they can be destroyers or guardians.

A deeper dive into godhood and religions in Runeterra would be interesting.