Are all Ascended ascended equally?

Shíny·6/19/2015, 4:23:17 PM·1 votes·998 views

Azir: His Ascension restored Shurima's capital to its previous glory, has sand magic that allows him to create many things from recreating moments in time to legions of sand soldiers.

Nasus Has dominion over Death and Time.

Xerath His Ascension destroyed Shurima's capital,in his own words the only "true" ascended. Being of pure energy, able to use "pure" magic and is able to "see the forces that hold the universe together."

Renekton Is angry?

Mainly what i'm getting at is, seems like Renekton got the short end of the ascension stick. Am i missing something or are all ascended _not _ ascended equally?

10 Comments

ShuffledPancake6/19/2015, 4:26:39 PM2 votes

idk bout that, Renekton (Sobek in history) was created to defend against the creatures of the Nile river.. maybe that can be connected to the new champ :w:

Sharjo6/19/2015, 5:32:11 PM2 votes

I'd assume that since the power they get is what Shurimans consider "divine" that it works in ways said divine powers determine to operate best. The powers likely relate to the person in question, what they do, what they've done and what they intend to do. Renekton might seem like he got the short end of the stick but he's likely far more physically capable than any of the other Ascended we know of, even among their standards.

Let's also not forget that Renekton is also insane, and any special powers he might've got in line with those of his brother might've either been forgotten/inaccessible due to insanity, or he's too enraged to even remember/be arsed to use them.

Nasus and Renekton almost certainly ascended at the same time, so potentially the gods or whatever divinity means for Shurimans had different plans for the two. Imagine you're a Shuriman god when there's a void invasion/civil war/Brackern invasion/Freljord invasion/whatever. Two brothers come up and are like "Hey we're a curator and a warrior, please grant us your boon so we may protect our home!" and you're like "Well shit time to get to work." You look at the two and say "Well one's a warrior, so best to embelish that and let him fight like a monster. The other's a curator, so let's embellish that so he can help the people at home while the other goes out and kills shit." Hell it'd also explain atleast with a bit of stretching why in the mural of a Xer'Sai vs Renekton in the Rek'Sai journal that only Renekton appeared; Renekton was the one on the front lines while Nasus kept the populace safe and calm. Would make for an interesting point for an insane Renekton to bring up as well during their encounter.

Nasus: "Brother, I love you, I always have! We are family, do you not see?" Renekton: "Then why was it brother that it was I who toiled and killed for Shurima?! Why was it that I was there at the forefront while you cowered from the fight?!"

Also a pain point for Renekton to help explain how Xerath drove him mad over the 1,000 years they spent imprisoned together.

I ended up going more on a tangent about Renekton himself than whether Ascended are all made equal but I'd say they're made on a case by case basis depending on a bunch of circumstances. I mean hell Azir's powers are also likely affected by the fact he was brought back from the dead before being Ascended. I feel like we'd have more details to go on if we actually got another Ascended in to the story somehow, I mean half of the Ascended we know of are from the very last part of Shurima's life, and the other two are super ancient. Surely there must've been some others and surely some of those other Ascended have gotta be alive, right? They're immortal demi-gods!

James Stone6/19/2015, 7:29:06 PM2 votes

In a way, Xerath really is the only true Ascended, because he represents what Ascension was prior to the Shurima butchering - the release of the body and the transformation of the mind into pure energy, unbound. The Shurima "Ascension" seems to be a transcending ritual in which a hero is immortalized to watch over the lesser mortals.

In a way, the new Ascension is a civilization creating its own Gods - a very interesting idea that I wish Riot would have explored without dragging Xerath and shoehorning him into a place he doesn't belong. Those stone carvings we were shown show Renekton battling Xer'sai, maybe even Rek'Sai, so he most likely was Ascended as a protector of Shurima from the Void.

Now three things remain to be known:

1 - What is Nasus' duty as an Ascended?

2 - Why the hell did Azir ascend? What did he do in life that made him worthy of Ascension, or what perils was Shurima facing that required the Ascension of the Emperor? Was Azir trying to be an eternal Emperor? Was he afraid of death and as such pursued immortality? Was "Xerath" (I use quotes because the Politician Ascendant isn't Xerath and will never be Xerath) motivated to act also because he feared what would happen if Azir ruled forever?

3 - Why didn't Nasus help Shurima rebuilding? Aren't Ascended supposed to watch over Shurima? Considering the mysery that was modern-day-Shurima before Azir was released, he dropped the ball hard.

GreenLore6/19/2015, 9:17:38 PM1 votes

I think the ascensions either reflect the personal abilties of a champ(so renekton got stronger,because he was a warrior,azir got abilities that reflect his leadership skills and nasus got magical and fighting abilities) or that the ascension reflects the biggest wishes of the ascneded. Renekton may have wanted power to protect something/someone,which is why the ascension turned him into a stronger warrior Nasus might have wanted to get more insight into the cycle of life and death Azir wants to rebuild shurima Xerath wanted power(but well his current state could also be a result of him manipulating the ritual).

It is also possible that Renekton originally gained some other fancy abilities,but he can't use them anymore because of his madness.

Ebonmaw Dragon6/19/2015, 11:20:54 PM1 votes

Well, considering that the original tittle of Renekton was "Eater of Souls" and in his previous lore he was able to "see and judge" the evil intentions of the people or something like that... i suppose that he still having those powers in his new lore. So, he is not only a strong and angry crocodile... He is the Ammit of Runeterra (with influences of Sobek), he can eat the soul of the unworthy and bring a grater death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammit

Trídent6/19/2015, 7:35:54 PM1 votes

I don't think they are equal.

Azir also didn't restore Shurima to its previous glory, it's all echoes of the past in sand soldiers and sand citizens.

Xerath seems to be the most powerful, since he is made out of pure arcane energy. He can compete with the other Ascended, even whenhis power is greatly dampened by the shattered coffin trapping him.

To rank them in terms of power, I would rank them:

  1. Xerath
  2. Nasus
  3. Azir
  4. Renekton
AyRe CoNteMpT6/19/2015, 4:29:18 PM1 votes

azir is op

rest is shit

Narasimha6/19/2015, 4:40:05 PM1 votes

Eh, I wouldn't say physical power is underrated. It was heavily implied that he Ascended to fight off Rek'sai, and given that he was still standing, it worked. And remember, even Cho and Vel wouldn't fight against Rek if they could help it.