Will Shaco get updated lore?

resumed·Jan 30, 2016·35 votes·3,495 views

currently the only thing about his lore is that hes a ripoff of the joker and he spends a lot of time in hot topic with his two friends and and then they rave to blood on the dance floor

with a kit like shaco's you'd expect him to be of much closer relationship to leblanc, seeing as they both revolve around misdirection and their ults are both illusions that deal a lot of damage

he could easily fit in with the black rose and even be leblancs brother given their similar abilities. hell it even says in his lore that he fits in in noxus

like cmon b

47 Comments

Robotic DolphinJan 30, 201616 votes

What if the Shaco we play is just another clone?

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Ave MachinaJan 30, 201610 votes

I completely agree. Shaco's lore is embarrassingly bad.

Once upon a time, there was an evil clown. He had no backstory.

And then all he does is giggle and make trite jokes. He's like an edgy 13-year-old's OC.

resumedJan 30, 201614 votes

reading his lore actually gives me 2nd hand embarrassment because of how edgy fake deep it is.

"he is the demonic manifestation of humanity's dark urges and therefore cannot be reasoned with"

like wat

Ave MachinaJan 30, 201610 votes

"Nothin personnel, kid! Myee-hee-hoo-hoo-ha-ha!"

Courier EightJan 30, 20164 votes

Who also decided to become a clown for... some reason....

Quantum LotusJan 31, 20161 votes

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Who also decided to become a clown for... some reason....

HE ISNT A CLOWN! He is a JESTER! lol common you guys!

Rundus1Jan 31, 20161 votes

If you knew his story, he wouldn't have the same impact. Imagine, for a second, that someone standing next to you is suddenly stabbed and a man behind him laughs hysterically before disappearing just as quickly. What would bother you more? Knowing only that the man is famous for such things, and no one knows who he is, how he does it or why he enjoys it so much, or knowing he calls himself Shaco, but was originally named ***** *******, grew up ostracized in Demacia for his twisted humor before being picked up by a secret organization, being trained and going rogue so he can attempt to satiate his sense of humor whenever he sees fit to through opportunistic killing (whether it be random or hired)?

Personally, I find the unknown details to be what makes him so fun to play. What even is he? He's too simple to be a regular person, just a tad too complex to be a force of nature, and just vague enough to be anything in between. When playing him, you play him to laugh with him, so why is there any need to know the details of why he pursues such laughter (unless you are Caitlynn/Vi and it is your job to investigate such things)?

Ave MachinaJan 31, 20161 votes

His lore could definitely still be "nobody knows who or what exactly he is," but they could present it in a much more interesting way. The fact that you had to explain to us why his lore was interesting is enough to show this.

They could at least take the route they took with Tahm Kench's and Braum's lore, and just tell us a story about him to make him more compelling, rather than flat-out saying "nobody knows anything."

Rundus1Feb 2, 20161 votes

A story is fine. I was under the assumption you wanted some in depth overhaul like a lot of people do (i used to even). The reason I explained it was not so you could find my explanation adequate, but rather to show why I and those like me find him to be excellently paired with his kit as far as lore goes. A story would be fun, but too much more and you lose a lot of what makes Shaco Shaco.

Angelofchaos16xJan 30, 20168 votes

I believe that Shaco is going to receive a full rework + a VU , and then Riot will update his lore

TyaldanJan 30, 20165 votes

I hope he never does, hes great the way he is. Of course the last champion i felt that about was poor mordekaiser :< RIP mordekaiser, ill never play you again probably.

Rundus1Jan 31, 20161 votes

You are not alone. I love Shaco as-is. The only thing I think he needs is a slight buff to the hp of his boxes.

Maple CrusaderJan 31, 20166 votes

There are three ways they can take with Shaco, aside from the nobody knows who he is lore

He is a Demon, like Tahm Kench. He either got summoned into Runeterra or came on his own accord. He kills and hurts people because he feeds off of misery and fear.
He's an eccentric assassin with a Jester gimmick. Perhaps he was a court jester who lost favour. He may have connections with the Black Rose.
He was a mental asylum patient who escaped into the Glade. Just like Lulu, he got transformed by the magic in the environment. He becomes a sadistic monster clown who sees his violence as generous joy bringing.

Shadowkirby14Jan 31, 20163 votes

I like both Option 2 and 3.

MimaropaFeb 1, 20161 votes

I really love option 3. Shaco and Lulu even have a song together as i recall which sounds like a Harry Potter theme

rtbf225618241Jan 30, 20164 votes

Well having a lore behind my most hated coward in League sure would be nice.

SkelenthJan 30, 20162 votes

I thought Teemo had a lore?

rtbf225618241Jan 30, 20163 votes

By "coward" Shaco fits the gameplay the best, not Teemo.

SkelenthJan 30, 20162 votes

Yeah, I forced it kinda...

rtbf225618241Jan 31, 20161 votes

Well, okay.

Rundus1Jan 31, 20161 votes

How so? He throws himself into any given teamfight just because he finds his own potential end worth it for the laugh he'll get from deleting a priority squishy. That takes determination and guts.

rtbf225618241Jan 31, 20161 votes

Um..he is invisible and gets a free teleport from going invisible. He throws a knife/attacks from behind. Can do 2v1 with his ult and make it even worse with his boxes. He can also block your way from chasing him with his boxes.

He is the most frustrating champion in League for me. Most of the time you don't even see him coming when he ganks.

Rundus1Feb 2, 20161 votes

That just makes him annoying, and in no way a coward other than the "from behind" aspects. He is no more a coward than any assassin who throws themselves into any battle they can secure a kill in.

rtbf225618241Feb 3, 20161 votes

What? Are you trying to defend your main or sth? Because he is the most slippery champion in the game maybe LB even more but she doesn't go invisible every few seconds with a free flash.

His fucking "throwing in the fight" is extremely safe, you are invisible you practically flash in with the same ability and then you throw a knife that can go 600+ damage for the start and you can ignite the enemy, use your ult to basically remove yourself from the game for a split second only to come back with another Shaco that can blow up for 1k magic damage then there are boxes that also fear the enemy and shoot at them...the list goes on...

It is impossible to chase him. He is a champion that is a coward and is intended to be played like a coward. I hate him.

I can jump into a fight with any champion, doesn't make the champion any more "heroic" he is simply so easy to jump into a fight for an easy kill that it takes almost nothing to do so but click a button and you have teleported in the enemy team, now click on MF!

Rundus1Feb 4, 20161 votes

The invisibility isn't cowardice, but merely a tool for his jests. Many champions have it, and the only cowardly one I can think of would be twitch. All the others are designed for the purpose of utilizing it to get an otherwise-immobile champ (except for Vayne and potentially Kha) into a fight. This doesn't save him from AOE, CC, being blown up like any other squishy, and having a slower combo than most unless he's merely topping someone off with an quick q, e combo. If they are low enough to die in an instant, they either fed shaco too much or shouldn't have been there without wards. The free flash w/ invis is not nearly worth potentially a quad-dash with 3x the damage, twice the cc (potentially four times), and an invis-clone if she gets low. Shaco is no where near that slippery unless he generally outplays his opponent by being unpredictable. Additionally, if he wants to sneak in to a fight, he effectively dooms himself unless he immediately ults after one auto and e. Even then, he's likely dead and he only gets a kill if he had a semi-low squishy to burst to begin with. His boxes are easily killed before they stealth by most champs, and if he pre-placed them than he, again, generally has to outplay an opponent or be smart to get them to hit them. It isn't cowardice, but strategy that ails you. Your strat of "go in. Kill clown." just doesn't get past a defensive fear and invis unless you have some true sight, cc, a team mate, or some other way to get to him. Keep in mind, he only gets that invis if he either didn't use it going in or managed to survive its CD (a notable feat pre-40% CDR in a teamfight).

His clone only does 1k damage if he's AP, and even then he must first fool you with it. If you got hit, he either played it right or you played it wrong (usually both to some extent) and you fell for his trick. The super shot invulnerability when ulting is only enough to dodge one thing if he times it perfectly. Everything about him is either "outplay opponent using actual strats" or "use slipperiness to run all the time and be a useless, last-hitting (maybe) troll to your own team."

You may hate him, as many do, but is it because he's cheap, or because you couldn't outplay him? You know it's more than possible. One pink or red trinket and you know where he is when he goes invis to try and run, as well as where he places a box. Seeing his clone take bonus damage from things lets you know which one is real. Not staying in lane low early keeps him from getting kills (like any other assassin), and his invulnerability is annoying every 60 seconds or so (shorter later in game), but if you want slippery, try fizz's trollpoll, or LB, or maybe a little bit of peel if you want to force enemies back instead of running away. Either way, Shaco isn't cowardly unless he's low (and runs like any normal person should unless they know a kill is there to get) or he's bad/new (self-explanatory). He just uses a little more tact than most, opting to surprise an enemy rather than charge in like Garen/Riven/Talon/etc and fight a fair 1v1. Shaco's kit isn't the strongest in instances like that unless he got a few early kills. He shines when he can outplay people and survive, or when he can assassinate. An argument could be made that ALL assassin's are cowardly, but then you have to consider that the good assassins aren't really once they can kill. They just know when to do what.

Also, if you can manage to jump into a fight with every champ, you are a god. W/o flash, I've yet to see very many Annies, Tarics, Ashes, Varuses (Varusi?), or other non-mobile people (like teemo) do it. Usually they're too busy being back-line pansies to go in (like they are supposed to) while the people who are supposed to go in do their jobs (like Shaco). You can argue cowardly all you please, but if you lose to a Shaco and you weren't low before the fight started or he wasn't fed from allies, than you more than likely got outplayed (kinda like you would against a lot of champs with any mechanics),

rtbf225618241Feb 4, 20161 votes

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It is impossible to chase him. He is a champion that is a coward and is intended to be played like a coward. I hate him.

This.

Edit:My eyes rolled over your last paragraph and i have to note that by "Jumping into the enemy team" i meant ones that have mobility. The champions themselves don't have a personality as they're non-canon. It's the player that matters. The champions merely have a kit that has a personality. Shaco's forces you to hit&run while putting traps around so you can 1v2 someone in their own jungle.

Rundus1Feb 5, 20161 votes

I read your comment, and i answered accordingly. If planning a 1v2 and then successfully 1v2ing in someone else's jungle bc you baited them into a trap is cowardly, then you just don't seem able to appreciate more strategic picks. Also, while players matter, champions also matter, and several have very unique personalities that make it difficult to play them if you can't get into at least a somewhat-similar mindset (until you get to challenger-level people where they aren't playing for fun as much and just pick what's good). The kit itself may inspire some form of personality, but without the VO, the designs, and the little animations they do from time-to-time, they would be horribly bland and boring. Shaco doesn't force you to hit and run, he just excels at it. There are many times (usually multiple in any given game) when he can 2v1 without any setup by just charging in on a duo where one is in insta-bang territory. These tactics are no more cowardly than those of other stealth champions or assassins in general. Shaco can actually be played multiple ways. The tanky pain-in-the-butt Shaco that just goes in out of nowhere and stays there messing things up, the AP Shaco that never actually goes in and just pokes people down until a free kill is assured (going in can help get them low enough for that, but that's just another playstyle), and the hit-and-run shaco. My personal favorite is DPS bruiser Shaco.

As for hit-and-run being cowardly, that's just by your standards. It's a good strat on all sorts of Champs. People ranging from Kassadin to Wukong to Braum all have hit-and-run tactics in their kits (albeit Braum's is situational). Most champions have some form of hit-and run to them. On ranged champs it's just called poke. If these things are not to your liking, I am sorry, but they are a large part of the game. Shaco's strats just involve being really good at either the hit or the run (usually not both unless he's in a 1v1 sort of thing).

As far as chasing him goes, I think I hit that pretty well. If he preps for you and you don't prep for it, he gets away bc you acted hastily (if not getting a kill for such things). If he just q's away at the start, he either didn't do much before that or you let him just walk up to you. Sure, he's slippery, but he's got several people who do that better, and several people who stop him from being slippery, and is no where near as hard to catch as he may appear unless you are talking the long chase (where he has time for CDs and boxes and such.)

rtbf225618241Feb 5, 20161 votes

Dude, i didn't say "doing damage and being invisible is cowardly" i meant that if you can do whatever the fuck you want and get away with it easily then that is cowardly. And if you want to win with him then you better play like a coward. He is forcing you to play him like a bitch.

And you can't prepare to chase anyone if you're Annie for example. Shaco has extremely effective kiting cc which is ridiculous.

You're basically dissecting his kit for me as if i don't know what it's for. It's a kit if you want to escape everything with ease and do ridiculous damage at the same time. All the while laughing automatically which is taunting af.

Rundus1Feb 5, 20161 votes

Comparing Annie to Shaco is insane. Her kit is very simple and serves only for the purpose of controlling her immediate area with her high burst.

As for Shaco, he can most definitely NOT do whatever. He gets punished super hard for making a mistake if he ever uses his q early or late on account of how squishy he is (unless you are tank or bruiser Shaco with 3+ items), and his ult is pretty hard to use right most of the time bc of all the factors it presents. Playing him requires you to either be lucky or plan for things. I still don't see how doing that is cowardly. If I put 4 boxes in my first buff/camp so I can clear and get you at your first buff when you are low and vulnerable, that's just a tactic. If I'm AP and set some traps in lane and poke you until you back off or go in, it's not because I'm a pansy. It's because I'm not an idiot. A cowardly Shaco doesn't go in unless he KNOWS it's a free kill, and he's useless later bc he did so little and got behind. As for Shaco's damage, it is debatable. His early dps is garbage outside of box+autoing, and he only invades bc he can get a guaranteed crit + ignite in an instant. He still gets out-damaged by most early junglers unless they fight him on a box. Later, Shaco either gets fed and bursts people down or he doesn't and his full burst can't kill the adc. His damage isn't incredible, but it is reliable on a CD, which is what makes AP Shaco seem so tough when their good. They just dish out damage as quickly as once per 5 seconds, while AD varies more and usually has a bit more burst and DPS in exchange for a lot less safety. AP Shaco may be the only variation that could maybe have the word "coward" fit it. AD uses all that safety (except for the uber small ult dodge) to try and burst a target. He's super forgiving as AP, but AD takes that power and puts in engage. You can't play AD like a pansy and do well, you just gotta not be an idiot either.

rtbf225618241Feb 6, 20161 votes

I honestly don't care anymore, i could compare Syndra/Lissandra/Talon idk whoever the hell aswell. You're definetly defending Shaco even though his entire kit promotes playing dirty and at this point i feel like there's no point in arguing with you as my statement doesn't change whatever situation/build path you propose as the most common build is full AD/AP and he usually goes for assassinations that insta-kill someone without them having a way to fight back.

B-but Pink wards...yeah no that's not always going to give you a heads up. This isn't the Challenger series okay? Not everyone has 5 pink wards in their inventory and runs along with a squishy for 10 minutes.

Rundus1Feb 6, 20161 votes

Lol, I would love to see how you compared Syndra, Liss and Talon. Also, you've switched gears. I can agree with dirty plays. A smart Shaco will make a lot of them when he can. As for his kills having no counterplay, they are usually free to move/flash/fight back as they please (unless they walk into AP Shaco traps, in which case, that's their own fault). The only reasons they don't are 1) They were so low he actually did one-shot them or 2) They aren't playing as if there is a Shaco to worry about. Both are mistakes that can lead to them not having the reaction time to do much of anything. If they are 300 HP and a Shaco finds them, they are likely dead. If they shove their lanes and don't ward up, they likely aren't ready for the Shaco they should've suspected to appear just appearing behind them and doing his full combo while they are in the middle of whatever they were doing. I've seen many people in my Shaco days, and you can tell when they forget about you. When they stop hugging their towers and try to push small advantages in lane that would usually win for them (like trading even with someone they out-traded the last time). These people die before they know what happened. An alert person knows the risks, and does their best to keep tabs on the Shaco jg when they can, playing safe when they can't. They are hard to kill, and even if you jump them while they are half HP, they likely knew you would and had some way to kill you or cc you set up (those are the worst). This isn't a challenger strat, it's just not one found in bronze and silver that much. Down there, people have their own strats and don't tailor them to work against specific champions that change the game. The same strats are involved with playing against any stealth-assassin. You don't even need to kill him to get him behind, just make sure you aren't going to give him free kills and he'll slowly fall off. Pink wards may be in short supply, but that is just a mechanic of the game players need to learn as much as regular warding and map awareness is. If you die bc you wanted to save your money and walked around in the jg or lane w/o a pink and low enough to kill, that is entirely your own fault. Any stealth champ in the game can pick you up for a free kill then. Now, if you have the handy support or cc-heavy top laner and you know you risk being ambushed, you'll find Shaco will fail to kill you a LOT more than he'll succeed. Saying the ability to kill a lone squishy in unwarded territory w/ a stealth burst-assassin is unbalanced is just being unreasonable. That is his job. You can stop it in many ways, but if you let him do his job, complaining that he did what he was supposed to and you didn't doesn't accomplish anything. Champions shouldn't be tailored to struggle against people who don't know how to play against them.

rtbf225618241Feb 7, 20161 votes

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Because it's pointless to argue with a Shaco main.

ShadulaJan 31, 20164 votes

They should also clarify that the correct way to pronounce Shaco is Shaco.

KnalxzJan 31, 20163 votes

I'd rather have him be a fiend from the Glade like his splash art implies.

LaoBushidoJan 30, 20162 votes

If he is still friends with noc it can be argued that their update will be in tandum and it has been said (yesterday?) that his (nocturn's) update is quotes awaits down the road.

Jhin UItd JFKJan 30, 20162 votes

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If he is still friends with noc it can be argued that their update will be in tandum and it has been said (yesterday?) that his (nocturn's) update is quotes awaits down the road.

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AngelFrost00Jan 30, 20161 votes

Yes Definetly! How would we know why he joined league? Oh he joined league to have fun.

SkelenthJan 31, 20167 votes

What is this "League" you are talking about?...

AngelFrost00Feb 1, 20161 votes

League of Legend.

SkelenthFeb 1, 20162 votes

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Rundus1Jan 31, 20161 votes

League? I think there was some myth about a place called "League," but it has been lost for some time.

MasterkerfuffleJan 30, 20161 votes

I'm pretty sure he's not a human...

Mama SorakaJan 31, 20161 votes

He's two kids in a trench coat.

Rundus1Jan 31, 20161 votes

Ah, but must you know his story and reasons? If so, allow me to ask: Why is a reason needed? What other reason is necessary other than his own enjoyment? Where he comes from is of no relevance. Knowing why he kills won't save you, nor dissuade him. To him, you are but an opportunity for a laugh, and that is all you need to know.

resumedJan 31, 20162 votes

you sound like you wrote his lore

Rundus1Feb 2, 20161 votes

I am merely a fan of him. Jis kit and theme fit so well together that I can't fathom the idea of threatening such synergy by trying to elaborate on his past.

WeatheredFeb 1, 20161 votes

Or close to Jhin... ya know whole crazed maniac thing.